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  • lizzzy
    lizzzy Member Posts: 285
    edited July 2007
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    the DCIS is why I had to have a mastectomy as well...star burst/scattershot, wrapped around the IDC tumor... with a lumpectomy they wouldn't have been comfortable on the margins...if only chemo treated DCIS...I was just re-reading my pathology report, and the IDC + the DCIS on the outside was a 3.5 cm tumor, while the IDC part was only 1.9 cm...ah well, so it goes. So sorry you have to have surgery though.

    I'm SO glad that neoadjuvant therapy was able to shrink the tumors away from your chest wall!!



    That is something I've never heard before--DCIS wrapped around the IDC? I never did understand the DCIS. I always thought it was a precursor to IDC. I need to do more reading. I still haven't finished with Dr. Love's Breast book.

    And thanks for the good thoughts. I am prepared to do whatever it takes to make sure I get rid of this. Look on the bright side--I will have nice perky little breasts when I get through this. It will be much easier to train for my half-marathon next year with B cups than DD cups.
  • VirginiaNJ
    VirginiaNJ Member Posts: 634
    edited July 2007
    Congrats Liz!! Wonderful news!! It's nice to know that if you have to go through hell, that it actually works!!

    LOL about having B cup instead of a DD. Seems like we have some buxom girls on this board! I am a D and can be a DD if I don't watch my weight... UGH. When I am thinner, I can get them down to a C... I fattened myself up for chemo b/c I thought I would lose weight and that never happend. Oh well...LOL

    Hope everyone battling the post-chemo sickness are feeling better!!

    V
  • PDXLeeAnne
    PDXLeeAnne Member Posts: 119
    edited July 2007
    Yeah Liz! This is awesome. And we'll all still be here - I have a feeling none of us are migrating to other boards after we finish chemo! I know I have rads to get through, and I'm not the only one.

    I'm up for Taxol #2 today, and totally and completely have a case of the "I don't wanna go"s happening. I can see where every 3 weeks would at least give a person more good-feeling days. I JUST, I mean JUST in the last 2 days started to feel better and here I go again. Blech. So not looking forward to this...

    Some potential positives though:

    1) After today only 2 more!
    2) If I feel good tomorrow (my biggest steroid day, and usually my best out of any day at all) and the traffic isn't crazy, my parents and I will brave the maddening crowds and visit Portland's brand new IKEA. Yeah for new, cheap house accessories!
    3) My mom informed me that because we are going to drive MY car to the beach on Saturday, that *I* get to sit in the front seat and my dad (who has Parkinsons and sleeps in the car all the time anyway) will sit in the back seat. Woohoo! Usually I sit in the back when my parents chauffeur me around which makes me feel like I'm about 12 years old. It's scary enough that SHE'S driving us to the beach so I'm psyched that I get the front seat. I can even mess with the radio! Simple pleasures girls!
    4) Going to a friend's loaned beach house for a couple of nights and staring at some walls that aren't my own! I don't know if I'll be strong enough to get out and walk ON the beach but the air and surf sounds will be lovely.

    Off to tidy house/car/life in anticipation of chemo...
    Hugs to all,
    LeeAnne
  • chumfry
    chumfry Member Posts: 642
    edited July 2007
    I think we will stick together on this thread after chemo. I'm still a part of the 2005 Rocktober Chemo Girls thread. In fact, we're all planning a get-together in Chicago one weekend in August. Ladies will be coming from all over: Israel, Britain, Canada and maybe even Australia.

    It's pretty exciting to think about meeting all these women. It's almost like a reunion instead of a first meeting.
  • NeoPat
    NeoPat Member Posts: 102
    edited July 2007
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    My oncologist just called and said that they can not find any cancer in my breast or lymph node.




    Yippee, Liz!!

    Pat
  • NeoPat
    NeoPat Member Posts: 102
    edited July 2007
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    But the surgeon, onc and tumor board all agreed that I would need to have a mastectomy anyway regardless of the results of the chemo and I think that is because I have a multi-focal tumor (meaning that there are two separate tumors plus some DCIS).




    Liz, I had a mastectomy for the extra same situation (2 tumors plus some DCIS). However, my tumors were not near the chest wall, so I had the mastectomy before surgery.

    Pat
  • NeoPat
    NeoPat Member Posts: 102
    edited July 2007
    Hi, friends. Sorry for three posts in a row. But wanted to say that I am in my second week after my first Taxol treatment and I feel good. I had the last pain on Tuesday, so it lasted about 4.5 days. I'm more tired than my normal self, but good for chemo.

    I belong to a Mah Jongg group and we are having a pot luck tonight. I'm happy that it looks like I will be able to go. My husband is out of town, so I have to drive myself.

    I took my daughter out to breakfast this morning to make sure that I can still drive. LOL. The food even tasted pretty much like it should.

    Life is good.

    Pat
  • lizzzy
    lizzzy Member Posts: 285
    edited July 2007
    Thanks everyone. It's so great to be able to share my good news with so many who can understand how I feel.

    LeeAnne and Pat, I hope your Taxol treatments go well. My onc explained the side effects yesterday and even though everyone says it's easier than A/C these se's don't sound very pleasant. I'm glad I'm taking a break from chemo for a few months.

    Today I'm off to the plastic surgeon to talk about downsizing!
  • chumfry
    chumfry Member Posts: 642
    edited July 2007

    Liz, one thing that's kind of nice about a double mastectomy with implants is that I don't think I'll ever have to wear a bra again! And after all the industrial-strength bras I've had to wear as an overweight DDD, that's really nice!!

  • lizzzy
    lizzzy Member Posts: 285
    edited July 2007
    Oh yeah, Cindy, believe me I've thought about that. My entire bra collection right now consists of Victoria's Secret demi bras with straps that fall down CONSTANTLY, so the idea of going without makes me very happy.

    What size are your implants?
  • lizzzy
    lizzzy Member Posts: 285
    edited July 2007

    My onc told me that your hair may start to grow slowly on Taxol. Has anyone noticed more hair growth?

  • VirginiaNJ
    VirginiaNJ Member Posts: 634
    edited July 2007
    I didn't have Taxol, but did AC and am anxiously awaiting the reappearance of my hair! :O It's amazing that you can have bad hair days (like today) even with a wig!!

    They told me that my hair should start growing back 1 month after my last treatment... Last one was 6/21... I stare at my head every night and every morning and think...is that a HAIR??? LOL I am making myself crazy... I really think I see very random 1/2 inch hairs sticking up there... Who knows. I just wish it would grow grow grow.

    Have an echo-cardiogram tomorrow... :O My last MUGA came out "wonky" (my term...they were saying all these long cardiac terms and I was like HUHHHHHHHHHHHHH?) They want a cardiologist to look at my tests - the two MUGA's and the echo. I sure hope this AC didn't damage my heart. I sometimes feel if the cancer doesn't kill me the treatment will!! ARGH.

    Virginia
  • aimster1123
    aimster1123 Member Posts: 200
    edited July 2007
    LIZ!!! YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's SO AWESOME!!! Gives us all hope that this darned chemo is actually DOING something, too!! VERY cool about the downsizing, too. I'm a C myself, so not in the same boat, but it's so nice when we get these little perks (no pun intended). Right now I'm enjoying not taking any showers--I just take baths at night when I feel like it. Let us know how the PS meeting goes.

    LeeAnne, I was almost LOL picturing you riding in the FRONT SEAT with Mommy and Daddy in the car! You crack me up!

    Virginia, I hope your echo comes out well. Did you have one before you started chemo? I did, and it was really interesting. The guy doing it was showing a student at the same time, and he kept saying what a beautiful heart I had, because I'm not a smoker and relatively young. I guess they see a lot of hearts that don't look so good. I felt almost like blushing, he kept complimenting me so much!

    Well, my 2-year-old is sick today. Keeps throwing up every 20 minutes. Well, now he's just dry heaving, but he can't seem to stop. DH is going to take him to the Dr. for. I'm so worn out from running into his room every 20 minutes to stick a bowl under his mouth, I need to rest up. Poor little guy, though. I hope I don't catch it--not a good idea when I probably don't have a great WBC.

    OK, I'm off to rest. Yay again Liz!!

    Amy
  • VirginiaNJ
    VirginiaNJ Member Posts: 634
    edited July 2007
    I had the MUGA before chemo then another one after chemo. The "after" MUGA was the one that was weird... Like I said...all these terms that made my eyes roll back in my head. Anyhow, they want me to have the echo to see if the second MUGA was a "fluke." They asked me who my cardiologist was and I laughed... I was like, uh, I don't have one... Anyhow, having the tests read by my Dad's cardiologist (which makes my Dad very happy as he loves his dr).

    Herceptin also does a number on the heart (congestive heart failure is a side effect), but my onc said the heart damage from the AC was permanent where-as with the Herceptin, heart function seems to return after discontinuing use.

    ARGH again... :O
  • chumfry
    chumfry Member Posts: 642
    edited July 2007
    Liz, I know several people whose hair started regrowing when they started Taxol after AC. My experience was the opposite in 2005. I had stubble until my first Taxol, then no hair whatsoever! Anywhere!

    I'll have my 8th of 12 weekly Taxol/Carboplatins tomorrow and I still have some head stubble. I also have retained about half the density of hair on my arms and face. So I'm not sure there's a hard-and-fast rule re hair and Taxol. I had peach fuzz two weeks after my last Taxol. It was so soft! Kind of like the fuzz on a baby chick!

    My implants came out to be a C-cup. It's funny, but cup size dramatically varies with bra size. A C on me (the tall, hefty farm girl) could be a DD on some petite little Size 2. LOL

    My first PS was no help at all in helping me determine my first implant size. (One reason why he's no longer my PS.) As we were gradually filling up the expander, I kept saying I wanted C cups. And he was like, "Well, just tell me when to stop expanding." I actually had to go to the store and try on bras (half-way, anyway) to see if the expander was at a C. I think my implant's either a 700ml or a 750ml.

    My reduction side ended up being a D-cup, and I could have had a revision, but I was sick of surgery. There were a couple of weeks where I kept ogling other women and finally came to the conclusion that lots of people's breast sizes don't match exactly.
  • lizzzy
    lizzzy Member Posts: 285
    edited July 2007
    Cindy, Thanks for the info. I used to think all DD's were the same, but I realized they weren't after I lost 30 pounds and went from a 36C to a 34DD. Ha! Who'da thunk I'd end up with a bigger cup size? I'm only 5 feet tall too, so I don't need a lot to be proportional.

    Amy, How are you feeling? That's terrible your little boy is sick. I don't know how you do it.

    Virginia, Hope your echo is ok. That's one of the scariest things--worrying about having the chemo hurt our hearts on top of everything else.

    PS appointment went well. I talked to the nurse and will go back next week to talk to the actual PS. She gave me most the info, but he will examine me next week. I'm a little worried about the implants. They say most women choose these new silicone implants and that they are not supposed to leak, but they're not approved for general public. So I don't know if I feel much better about the silicone. I was going to insist on saline, but now that I've felt them I don't know. I think I might take my chances.
  • chemo072
    chemo072 Member Posts: 682
    edited July 2007
    Hi all,

    Taxol #3 was uneventful! Woohoo - no feet turning red, no shortness of breath, no bronchospasm. Hydrocortisone works!

    So far, so good.....and also, I have STUBBLE! Yes, hair is growing on my head. Hope it stays. I also still have eyebrows and a few eyelashes, knock on wood.

    Hope all your treatments went well.

    How do you find a plastic surgeon that you like? The first one I just didn't have much rapport with...
  • PDXLeeAnne
    PDXLeeAnne Member Posts: 119
    edited July 2007
    Just checking in to say Taxol #2 went fine. Man its a long day though I was there as 12:30 and didn't walk out until after 6:30. I talked to my onc for quite a while before infusion, about sleep and hot flashes and bone pain and all sorts of stuff. He really wants me to tough out the sleep issue... grrrrr, but said I could try glutamine or b6 for the burning sensation on my feet and hands which is the beginning of neuropathy. He did say that he thought I was doing great and that it won't take me very long to recover from all this. He encouraged walking as much and often as I can...doh!

    Amanda, glad it went well.

    Liz, lucky you with no chemo for awhile. I'm glad you're getting all your questions answered.

    The apres-chemo brain is starting to kick in... joy.

    Hugs,
    LeeAnne
  • lnmshoes
    lnmshoes Member Posts: 17
    edited July 2007
    hi all,
    Had my 2nd taxol today, port would not give blood again this time so we had to draw from my arm.
    Had a MUGA last week and it came out OK so we started Herceptin today too. Long day got there at 10:30am and didn't leave until 5:45PM.
    The onc prescribed Perceset (sp?) this time so hopefully the pain will be bearable when it starts later this weekend. Looking forward to a good day tomorrow and may go shopping with my daugher,
    My bf and I took our kids to Wisconsin Dells for three days this week and we all had a blast. I was worried about what I was going to wear on my head to the amusement parks. my dbf sewed strings to tie on one of my baseball hats and it worked great for the rollercoasters and go carts. Wore my buff to the water park and it almost came off twice but I survived and had a great time. My son said it was the best vacation he has ever had. This was the first time we have had all of our kids together and everyone got along fine. My kids are 20,22,26 and one fiance 29. His kids are 18, 20 and a boyfriend 18.

    Liz congratulations on your good news.
    Off to bed
  • lizzzy
    lizzzy Member Posts: 285
    edited July 2007

    LeeAnne, I hope this one goes better. That's a long day wow! I probably say this too much, but I really think walking as much as possible helps. I always feel better when I walk or run. At least better than when I spend all day on the couch, which happens too much these days.

  • aimster1123
    aimster1123 Member Posts: 200
    edited July 2007
    Hey girls,

    Well, our little guy is STILL throwing up. His Dr. said just a virus, and he's not too dehydrated yet so we just keep feeding him pedialyte popsicles and hope some of it stays in and goes through his little system. Dh theorizes that I already had this virus in the form of my cold--that would be GREAT, since I really don't want to get it! So far I show no signs of it, so I'm hoping I can escape.

    Otherwise I'm doing OK. My cold is still lingering (it's been 16 days so far) but on its way out. I'm definitely more tired than after last tx, but feeling decent enough. Just 2 more to get through. I'm sure I keep saying that--I'm just trying to psych myself up, I guess. I took a nap today and had a dream that I was having my next tx and woke up nauseated. The power of the mind!

    I'm SO looking forward to the time when I can exercise. Right now the best I can manage is just the running around inherent with watching my kids and trying to keep up with the house. That much wipes me out!

    Oh yeah, I meant to say before that I'm definitely sticking around here after chemo--I need you guys to help me through rads, and I want to help you too! Plus we have to "see" each other's hair grow back, right?

    Amy
  • lwy
    lwy Member Posts: 153
    edited July 2007
    HI Gals,
    I rarely post on this thread, but I read it all the time. I usually post on the taxotere, carbo herceptin thread but like to keep up with everyone who started chemo in may.
    LeeAnne- I was wondering why your oncologist wants you to tough out the not sleeping part? Did he/she say why they won't give you something for sleep? I'm just wondering because I'm having the same problem, I don't sleep at all the first week after chemo and the rest of the time, I wake up almost every couple of hours. Everytime I mention it to my oncologist, she keeps saying they could give me something if I really need it, but then they never do. I was thinking about asking for something this time because the not sleeping is making my life miserable.
    Stay strong girls. we are almost done. I have my 5th cycle of TCH this monday and my last cycle Aug 20th and then I'm free of chemo. I'll still have to do radiation and herceptin for the rest of the year but I hear the herceptin doesn't make you sick or tired so I can do it!
    Leslie
  • chemo072
    chemo072 Member Posts: 682
    edited July 2007
    as someone with fibromyalgia, I know that deep sleep is all important, and that lack of deep sleep can bring on fibromyalgia symptoms....and that's a road you don't want to go down. So if your oncs won't deal with it call your PCP, who can prescribe sleep meds him/herself or refer you to a psychatrist who will prescribe sleep meds, or to a sleep insomnia specialist. Oncs can't be experts on everything. But do get it addressed - this is where your medial team comes in. just my two cents.

    also, read a recent ASCO abstract where hypnotism can reduce hot flashes by over 50%, and I know that hot flashes and night sweats are what are waking me up these days...even with sleep meds

    also steroids keep me up too, but that's temporary
  • kimvidito
    kimvidito Member Posts: 105
    edited July 2007
    Hi everyone
    The hot flashes are definately what causes my lack of sleep. I take and ativan during and a few days after tx to get me through it. I had my first taxotere yesterday and it was much better than FEC. No nausea, just trembling and red face and feet. I didn't even have to lay down. I guess I have to wait for the muscle or joint pain next.
    Amy I am so sorry your little one is sick. Wash your hands a lot although little like that you are very much in contact with him.
    2 more tx and I'm done. I got my picc line removed. I had asked my onc and he said sure. We are going camping and I just would love to swim in my pool and I can now YEAH!!! This helps on the psychological side.
    Hope everyone continues to feel well.
    prayers out to all of you
    KIM
  • VirginiaNJ
    VirginiaNJ Member Posts: 634
    edited July 2007
    My onc encouraged me to take my Ambien CR if it helped. Unfortunately, I am an insomniac and don't sleep anyway, so not sleeping during chemo was just like before...

    Kim, I had my first Herceptin on 7/13 --- got a wicked headache, but then felt ok... Nothing like the AC chemo which was brutal. Now I am suffering from a stuffy/runny nose and an annoying dry cough. I see my onc on Tuesday, so I'm going to ask her if these are side effects (or am I actually suffering from a summer cold).

    Had my echo this am --- this after ANOTHER flat tire...had one on Monday as well. The tire Gods are not on my side!

    Amy-- hoping your little one is better... Oh, and I didn't get any compliments on my heart :O That's ok. It least it was beating.

    LOL LeeAnne RE your positives... My sister and I marked every chemo and said 25%, 50%, 75% done...whoo hoo. It was hard to do the "nomochemo" dance at the end b/c I felt so crummy, but boy, was it nice to know...

    Anyhow, I don't want to count down the 1 year of Herceptin...to depressing...5% done? UGH.

    Have a great weekend all...

    Virginia
  • VirginiaNJ
    VirginiaNJ Member Posts: 634
    edited July 2007

    ps...since I did my chemo AFTER my rads, mabye I can answer questions... Rads are annoying b/c they are every day, but definitely easier than chemo!!

  • PDXLeeAnne
    PDXLeeAnne Member Posts: 119
    edited July 2007
    My onc said sleep meds all work the same way, by making you pass out, and that they don't give you deep sleep anyway. He'll do it if I really press the point though. I don't know...

    I did sleep well last night after treatment - yeah! I guess its just one night at a time.

    LeeAnne
  • JudyWI
    JudyWI Member Posts: 18
    edited July 2007

    I just finished my 6 weeks of A/c Hell. the doc calls me his flash back patient. I had so much vomiting it was not funny. If I took the meds for that I got a week long migran. Headache was worse than the vomiting but so GLAD to be done with that stuff. 2 weeks I start Taxal for 6 weeks everyother week so on to new side effects. They tell me those will not be so bad as to make me sick and be down for a week after. Just have to deal with the other type of side effects from this drug. They said the mind has alot to do with how we well and now that I am over that first A/C I feel as if a weight has lifted.

  • aimster1123
    aimster1123 Member Posts: 200
    edited July 2007
    Hey girls,

    DS is better today--he hadn't thrown up since last night and ate crackers and pedialyte popsicles today. He's SO cute when he's sick, though--all big eyes looking at you and so sweet and pathetic. Not that I wish it on him, though!

    My onc was very interested in helping me sleep! Mine was more anxiety-related, though, and he ended up increasing my Zoloft dosage. That did the trick! It was really awful for a while.

    Judy, I feel your pain! A lot of the anti-nausea meds give me a headache too. The things that work for me now are the pump dripping in Ativan and Decadron, and then Marinol orally for the first 2 days. I HATE all of it, because it makes me SO incredibly loopy and I still feel like crud, I'm just not throwing up. BUT, it keeps me out of the ER so I guess it's the best we can do. How much do you throw up? Or do you mostly just feel sick?

    DD is learning violin, did I say that before? SO cute, and so far she's enjoying it. I have to have her toy giraffe do all the teaching (she has her own voice)--Lillie won't listen to "me"!

    Amy
  • lizzzy
    lizzzy Member Posts: 285
    edited July 2007
    Hi JudyWI,

    It is nice to be done with the A/C (even though I still have lots of stuff to look forward to like surgery and taxol). For you it must be even better considering your extreme SE's. Mine were relatively mild. Welcome to the group.

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