Re: Sam-e and Phosphatidylserine (PS) info
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My LEFs are up in multiples and I need to dump much of my medication that is toxic to the liver.
I need something that will touch my Norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor for pain control or I will have to give up the Femara---
No question, because since I've discontinued my Strattera which is An NRI---the Femara pain has come roaring back.
In less than a week or so I'm turning into a complete cripple again and can't even bear for my feet to touch the floor---so bad do those bones hurt. I'm back to where I can barely get out of a chair----forget stairs altogether--
An all around Frankenstein---Nooooooo Frankenstein walked much better than do I!
Definately something I can't handle again on top of the RSD/CRPS. Quite a dilemma for me. My liver--or pain relief.
I've discontinued most of the culprit medicines. (I can't ditch my blood pressure med which was the initial offender nor have I stopped the Femara)
I have to have all the liver function tests repeated. I'm hoping its the medication but the back of my head is scared beyond belief. And my PCP wants liver scans again. I've been on this merry-go-round on and of because my levels have always run high-------but not in multiples!-------
Hopefully, it will be because of a recent
upracheting of one of the culprit meds, but I can't help but worry about stage IV.
Anyway not a big choice in the NRI --there is only one currently in the US and that is Strattera---But since Strattera was pooping out in the functioning department,
it was a choice between upping the dosage which could cause more liver toxicity or finding something completly different. So we upped the dose and that could be the problem.
But this was a miracle medication for me.
Anyway, I was thinking that the SAM -e may be worth trying
if it hits the Norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor without the toxic liver side effects.
I know it can't be used if you are on an MAO ---and that you may have to take b12, folic acid, and b6 additionally because it can affect the homocysteine levels. Also, can't be used for Bipolar--- And should not be taken with SSRI's
but I stopped Effexor as well (a big culprit of LFT's --Can even cause hepatitis. )
Does anyone have any other negatives or interactions out there that I should know about that would make me stay away?
If not I think it could be a win-win for me.
I'd really appreciate anything you may know about SAM-e.
Thanks,
Susie
I need something that will touch my Norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor for pain control or I will have to give up the Femara---
No question, because since I've discontinued my Strattera which is An NRI---the Femara pain has come roaring back.
In less than a week or so I'm turning into a complete cripple again and can't even bear for my feet to touch the floor---so bad do those bones hurt. I'm back to where I can barely get out of a chair----forget stairs altogether--
An all around Frankenstein---Nooooooo Frankenstein walked much better than do I!
Definately something I can't handle again on top of the RSD/CRPS. Quite a dilemma for me. My liver--or pain relief.
I've discontinued most of the culprit medicines. (I can't ditch my blood pressure med which was the initial offender nor have I stopped the Femara)
I have to have all the liver function tests repeated. I'm hoping its the medication but the back of my head is scared beyond belief. And my PCP wants liver scans again. I've been on this merry-go-round on and of because my levels have always run high-------but not in multiples!-------
Hopefully, it will be because of a recent
upracheting of one of the culprit meds, but I can't help but worry about stage IV.
Anyway not a big choice in the NRI --there is only one currently in the US and that is Strattera---But since Strattera was pooping out in the functioning department,
it was a choice between upping the dosage which could cause more liver toxicity or finding something completly different. So we upped the dose and that could be the problem.
But this was a miracle medication for me.
Anyway, I was thinking that the SAM -e may be worth trying
if it hits the Norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor without the toxic liver side effects.
I know it can't be used if you are on an MAO ---and that you may have to take b12, folic acid, and b6 additionally because it can affect the homocysteine levels. Also, can't be used for Bipolar--- And should not be taken with SSRI's
but I stopped Effexor as well (a big culprit of LFT's --Can even cause hepatitis. )
Does anyone have any other negatives or interactions out there that I should know about that would make me stay away?
If not I think it could be a win-win for me.
I'd really appreciate anything you may know about SAM-e.
Thanks,
Susie
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I haven't thought out your situation in any great detail, but the first things I can think of to tell you is that SAMe (s-adenosyl methionine) acts as a methyl donor for the production of serotonin. Some practitioners say it is just as effective as SSRIs but it is not covered by insurance, making it a less attractive choice for cost.
SAMe does require the additional supplements you mention above. You might also find it helpful to take 5-HTP (5-hydroxytryptophan) on an empty stomach before breakfast and again at night. 5-HTP provides the amino acid precursor that is used as the basis for serontonin. Be sure, too, that you get niacin in your diet as a niacin deficiency will take priority over serotonin and use up the available tryptophan.
This link will take you to a website that has more information on this in an article called "Nutritional Aspects of Depression: an update":
http://www.hypoglycemia.asn.au/articles/nutritional_aspects_depression.html
The SAMe supplements vary in activity. I've seen the NOW Foods brand (good price) underperform compared to Doctor's Best--when both are labelled at 400 mg per tablet. Life Extension makes this same point. (I have speculated that LEF sells under the Dr.s Best Label or uses them as a supplier.)
Start at a low dose twice a day and work up over several weeks. A pyschiatrist who uses SAMe has told me he hasn't seen anyone take more than 800 mg twice a day. Again, be aware that NOW Foods brand may be more likely to be used at a higher dose. SAMe breaks down pretty readily--NOW Foods recommends refrigeration on opening and Dr.s Best provides 'enteric coated tablets sealed in blister packs for freshness'.
One other words of warning: serotonin levels are tightly controlled by our bodies. A severe excess of serotonin and a severe deficiency of serotonin will have similar symptoms (racing thoughts, racing heart, hot/cold flashes, restlessness, inability to sleep). Our bodies will add or remove serotonin receptors to counter an environment where too much is available (this begins happening when we start a SSRI and this physical adaptation is what makes it hard to get off an SSRI). As you begin taking SAMe, keep in mind that you may easily take too much initially if you don't start slowly and give yourself time to adapt.
Your situation is very complicated and I'm not sure if SAMe is OK or not for you. If I come up with anything else, I'll try to post it.
Good luck. -
Thanks BBS-- I was leary about the the niacin because I know
that can affect liver enzymes adversely but I guess that won't be a problem if I get it through diet.
I started three days ago taking the Life Extension brand which I had bought over a year ago at there yearly sale. Very odd for a vitamin to smell like a dead skunk.
I've been terrified so I cut out the Effexor XR about 2weeks ago cold turkey. I know that is not smart, but I wanted to get my liver test to be as unaffected as possible when I retest of as many as I can do without---I cut out the Nexium as well (another culprit)
Well needless to say objects have been flying through the air with great frequency and some of the nightmares were downright paranoid----Can anyone spell EFFEXOR WITHDRAWAL?
All this has disappeared in the last three days so I am assuming that at the very least it is helping with that.
Since I stopped the Effexor my drenching hot flashes have stopped, and my fatigue level has markedly decreased. Wouldn't that be the topper if all these massive sweats and general debilitation turned out to be paradoxical reactions to Effexor XR which was given to me initially by my Primary Care Physician along with Lexapro . Ironic-isn't it? My whole body temperature has markedly changed since the Effexor discontinuation.
Thank you for telling me about Doctors best.---I did not know they came with an enteric coating--wonder if that cuts down on the stink since my pocketbook now smells of skunk.
The LEF one's I'm taking are not enteric covered and come in
a blister pack which I'm thinking I'll put in the refrigerator. I'll look into the 5 HTP.
Since I do take Melatonin I wonder if that that would interact?
Until now I was also taking a Homeopathic for sleep containing Valarien. Now, I find out there is controversy as to whether that can affect liver enzymes.
They also say Green Tea extract can raise liver enzymes. I'm not taking the extract,-- but I am drinking lots of iced green tea and wondering if I should cut back now?
What we don't know about all this stuff. I think I'm going to be shopping for a Homeopathic PCP. I have one for my fur babies---why not me?
Thanks for the help.
This is a hard tightrope to walk.
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Susie -
Ladies!!!!!
BBS Kris .... as always very good information ... very, very helpful.
Susie .... my heart reaches to you and I wish you the best.
I want so much to stop the anti depressives but not all of the doctors are supportive of my decision. It is so difficult to isolate this one issue while dealing with the others of this disease. At the moment I'm in PT for the back problems and pain ... it's going well ... so I think that the next step can be to back off of this medication .... I hope.
Again, best wishes to all on this journey ... -
BBS--I was going to finish up the LEF Sam-e. But after being up all night with Gerd (GERD with a Hole in my sinus that is not healing as quickly as the surgeon would like.)Can't tell you what that one is like! I think one of the side effects of the Sam-e is that it can be a little hard on the stomach, so some say take after food---but supposedly it works better when taken on an empty stomach----
Not that it gave me GERD. I was on Nexium for Gerd and dumped that as well a few weeks ago because it can also negatively affect the liver enzymes. As I say, the only thing I didn't dump was my Lisinopril which can also do a number on the enzymes and of course the Femara- but I'm thinking maybe I should go off that as well at least till
I've retaken the LFT's. I'm being retested on July 10th and they are going to add the Necrosis of the Jaw test which is a fasting one.
Anyway to avoid another GERD Night I'm ordering the Doctors best which is enteric and disolves in the small intestine
where it can be better utilized. Hopefully, it will be easier on the my stomach.
Marilyn, If you don't want to take the antidepressants take a look at the Sam- E. It could just be a three prong benefit.
As I see it, It could help you ween off the antidepresants
and have some of their benefits without the side effects.
The other intriguing thing is that there are studies that show it does a better job than Celebrex with joint and arthritic pain without the side effects. In the studies at the end of the 1st month Celebrex did a better job with the joints; But by the second month the Sam-e did as well or better with the joint pain. You do have to take folate , b12 and b6 to keep your homocysteine levels in check, but other than that I see very few side effects.
It also is supposed to provide support for the liver and mine can use all the help it can get!
Anyway I'm going to try this for now, and I feel so much better being off the Effexor XR that I know I absolutely will not go back on it again. I truly think it did the complete opposite of what it was supposed to do. My whole body temperature has changed and those terrible drenching sweats have lessened to an unbelievable degree. I'm not fatigued out of my mind as I have been.
I'm going back into water therapy again to see if I can get some relief for my feet, hips and knees. Right now I can't even get out of a chair again and my achilles tendons are on fire all the time---really unbelievable. Otherwise, I will have to discontinue the Femara.
I'll let you know how my experiment with the Sam-e goes. If it kicks in with pain relief it would be wonderful, and I take it that is dose related--about 1200mg a day
I really feel I have not much to loose right now, since I've pretty much been an ongoing experiment anyway.
I think my pain management specialist will be more than happy to let me try this direction since he tends to think out of the box, even so far as to want me to take Alpha Lipoic Acid. So, although he'll probably tinker with what I do, for the most part he'll work with me.
Take care and be well,
Susie -
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I haven't thought out your situation in any great detail, but the first things I can think of to tell you is that SAMe (s-adenosyl methionine) acts as a methyl donor for the production of serotonin. Some practitioners say it is just as effective as SSRIs but it is not covered by insurance, making it a less attractive choice for cost.
The SAMe supplements vary in activity. I've seen the NOW Foods brand (good price) underperform compared to Doctor's Best--when both are labelled at 400 mg per tablet. Life Extension makes this same point. (I have speculated that LEF sells under the Dr.s Best Label or uses them as a supplier.)
Start at a low dose twice a day and work up over several weeks. A pyschiatrist who uses SAMe has told me he hasn't seen anyone take more than 800 mg twice a day. Again, be aware that NOW Foods brand may be more likely to be used at a higher dose. SAMe breaks down pretty readily--NOW Foods recommends refrigeration on opening and Dr.s Best provides 'enteric coated tablets sealed in blister packs for freshness'.
Your situation is very complicated and I'm not sure if SAMe is OK or not for you. If I come up with anything else, I'll try to post it.
Good luck.
BBS---I just recieved the Doctor's Best Sam-e. What a difference from the LEF. The Doctor's best has no smell!
It looks exactly the same as the LEF---just no dead skunk smell---amazing.
I'm now wondering since I had bought it at LEF's January
sale----Could it already have been past its prime? It smelled like that from the first day I recieved it. Now I don't know whether or not to just throw the LEF in the trash?
Maybe it is broken down and if thats the case I certainly don't want to finish it, but it did arrive stinking like that. How weird!
Thanks again for telling me about Doctor's Best which is incidentally made in Italy----Hear that Marilyn? ---We can add that to the safe country of origin list of supplements.
PS I don't think Serotonin overload would be as much of an issue with me as I had been used to getting a hefty dose from the Effexor XR and if anything I think its been controlling any Effexor withdrawal. I've been taking a substantial dose of Melatonin at night --about 15mg so maybe a tiny weepy but not much more.
I'll let you know how it goes hoping to avoid any more SSRI's and hoping at the higher dose of 1200 it will help with the joint and muscle SE's of the Femara so I can finish out the fifth year.
Susie -
I think I'd avoid any tablets that smell like skunk. Maybe they're old, maybe they just stink. That would be a delightful call to make to their Customer Service line. Maybe they'd replace the product for you.....
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A little late for them to be replacing; since it was Jan of last year , but the supplement smelled like that from day one.
Since I had nothing to compare it to I just thought it was a smelly supplement.
But they are going in the trash can since I know this is a reliable brand and without the smelliness----
Two thumbs up for iherb.com
P.S. Never came up with Googling anything about skunk smelling supplements! -
Thanks to Thursday's BCO supplement discussion I have sent away for a bottle of this. It sound very promising.
Additionally, I have read that SAM-e can make you produce more phosphatidylcholine, so I think I may be on to something here.
AT all costs I would like to avoid going back on the "Crazy Meds" if at all possible with all their toxicity (not that you can't develop toxicity to a supplement.
This will be overseen by my Physiatrist, and as I am perpetually his Guinea Pig I will update you on my progress or lack of.
Susie
NewsTarget.com printable article
Originally published January 9 2006
Essential fatty acid phosphatidylserine (PS) is powerful prevention for memory loss, Alzheimer's and dementia
by Dani Veracity
The link between old age and forgetfulness is cliché enough to be the subject of greeting cards, sitcoms and jokes. We take it for granted so often that very few of us take the time to question why it happens. However, experts may have found the answer in an essential fatty acid called phosphatidylserine.
Our bodies need this phospholipid to build brain cell membranes that are fluid enough to release the neurotransmitters acetylcholine and dopamine, but luckily, our brains normally manufacture enough phosphatidylserine (PS) to keep us in top mental order. However, when we reach middle age, our levels of PS begin to decline -- an effect that is worsened by deficiencies of other essential fatty acids, folic acid or vitamin B12. Because PS is necessary for effective neurotransmission, PS deficiency is linked to mental impairment, including Alzheimer's and non-Alzheimer's dementia, depression and Parkinson's disease among middle-aged and elderly people.
Since PS deficiency is associated with these common age-related conditions, many experts believe that PS supplements can help improve, or even reverse, symptoms. As Elizabeth Somer further explains in her book, Food & Mood, "PS supplements restock brain cell membranes, boosting nerve chemical activity such as dopamine and serotonin, stimulating nerve cell growth, lowering levels of the stress hormones, possibly generating new connections between cells, and stirring activity in all brain centers, especially higher brain centers such as the cortex, hypothalamus and pituitary gland."
In other words, PS supplements may give a 50-year-old the same brainpower as a healthy 20-year-old. Does this sound too good to be true? Well, according to the 2002 Bottom Line Yearbook, "Phosphatidylserine is the only medication that's been proven to reverse age-related memory loss in clinical studies."
Furthermore, these clinical studies are overwhelmingly positive about the amazing abilities of PS. In Alternative Cures, Bill Gottlieb reports that one study demonstrated that PS can reverse the chronological age of neurons by as much as 12 years. Of course, this has enormous implications for people suffering from age-related dementia.
A recent study on men aged 50 and older with non-Alzheimer's dementia found that a three-month regimen of 300 milligrams of PS daily was enough treatment to drastically improve mental function, according to Dr. Russell L. Blaylock's book, Excitotoxins. In one study, Alzheimer's patients experienced cognitive improvements after receiving only 100 milligrams of PS for three months, while another study demonstrated that 400 milligrams of PS per day led to short-term neurological and psychological improvements in people with Alzheimer's.
Though the tested dosages vary, the results add up to one thing: New hope for people suffering from age-related mental decline. The abilities of PS look so promising that phosphatidylserine expert and author Professor Parris Kidd calls it "the single best means for conserving memory and other higher brain functions as we age."
So, how can you explore the benefits of PS supplementation for yourself? Previously, PS supplements were only made from phosphatidylserine isolated from cow brains, posing the problem of mad cow disease. But now, scientists can create PS by putting soy lecithin through an enzymatic process that changes phosphatidylcholine into phosphatidylserine. As PDR for Nutritional Supplements authors Dr. Sheldon Saul Hendler and David Rorvik explain, PS derived from soy differs from that isolated from cow brains by the form of its fatty acids: "Phosphatidylserine from soy lecithin contains mainly polyunsatured fatty acids, while phosphatidylserine derived from bovine brain contains mainly saturated and monounsaturated fatty acids, as well as some docosahexaenoic acid."
According to Dr. Hendler and Rorvik, the risk of mad cow disease, though hypothetical, is in itself enough to make soy lecithin-derived PS the better option. Furthermore, as an interesting side note, the book Natural Cures and Gentle Medicines reports that there is a product called Brain Gum. Because the gum is fortified with a 40 percent concentration of PS, its creators claim that only three pieces a day can help you learn better and increase your memory and concentration. You can learn more about Brain Gum at www.braingum.com, however, neither I nor Truth Publishing currently endorse this product (we simply haven't tried it yet).
Whichever way you choose to take PS supplements, it may be worth a try, especially if you are already experiencing age-related mental decline. After reviewing more than 3,000 peer-reviewed research papers on PS, Professor Kidd asserts, "The remarkable benefits of PS and its safety in use are now established beyond doubt," in Dr. Mark Stengler's Natural Physician's Healing Therapies. Similarly, in his Vitamin and Mineral Encyclopedia, Dr. Hendler writes that PS "does not appear to have any adverse side effects."
So, how much PS should you take? Many experts believe 300 milligrams daily, taken in three doses of 100 milligrams each, is sufficient, but, of course, you should discuss your dosage information with a health care professional, preferably a naturopath.
The experts speak on phosphatidylserine (PS):
The results of age- and nutrition-related decline in phosphatidylserine
Once we reach middle age, phosphatidylserine and other important brain chemicals decline, which is one reason why our brains don't work as efficiently. There is good evidence that taking phosphatidylserine supplements can help restore brain power.
Earl Mindell's Supplement Bible by Earl Mindell RPh PhD, page 120
Phosphatidylserine plays a major role in determining the integrity and fluidity of brain cell membranes. Normally, the brain can manufacture sufficient levels of phosphatidylserine, but if there is a deficiency of folic acid and vitamin B12, or of essential fatty acids, the brain may not be able to make sufficient phosphatidylserine. Low levels of phosphatidylserine in the brain are associated with impaired mental function and depression in the elderly.
Encyclopedia Of Natural Medicine by Michael T Murray MD Joseph L Pizzorno ND, page 228
(PS) phosphatidylserine plays a major role in determining the integrity and fluidity of brain cell membranes. Membranes are the cells' major work surfaces, and nerve cells especially depend on membranes to carry out their specialized functions. As part of the membrane, PS helps eliminate wastes and improve intercellular communications, cellular movement, and ion transport. Normally, the brain can manufacture sufficient levels of PS, but if there is a deficiency of B-complex vitamins (folic acid and B12) or of essential fatty acids, the brain may not be able to make sufficient PS.
Healing Pets With Nature's Miracle Cures By Henry Pasternak DVM CVA, page 261
Low levels of phosphatidylserine, a type of lipid, in the brain are commonly associated with memory loss. This is an important brain nutrient and is essential for effective neurotransmission. Smart Medicine For Healthier Living by Janet Zand LAc OMD Allan N Spreen MD CNC
James B LaValle RPh ND, page 406
Low levels of phosphatidylserine in the brain are associated with impaired mental function and depression in the elderly.
Encyclopedia of Nutritional Supplements by Michael T Murray ND, page 356
Phosphatidylserine is a type of lipid important for normal brain function and the effective transmission of nerve impulses. Low levels of phosphatidylserine are associated with Parkinson's disease. Smart Medicine For Healthier Living by Janet Zand LAc OMD Allan N Spreen MD CNC
James B LaValle RPh ND, page 466
Phosphatidylserine has demonstrated some usefulness in treating cognitive impairment, including Alzheimer's disease, age-associated memory impairment and some non-Alzheimer's dementias.
PDR For Nutritional Supplements by Sheldon Saul Hendle and David Rorvik, page 356
Low levels of phosphatidylserine, an important brain nutrient, are associated with impaired mental function and depression. The recommended dosage is 100 milligrams taken three times daily.
Smart Medicine For Healthier Living by Janet Zand LAc OMD Allan N Spreen MD CNC James B LaValle RPh ND, page 105
Phosphatidylserine loss appears to correlate with the degree of cognitive impairment. Rat experiments indicate that phosphatidylserine treatment prevents the age-related reduction in dendritic spine density in rat hippocampus. Protein kinase C facilitation of acetylcholine release has been reported in rats. phosphatidylserine was found to restore protein kinase C activity in aging rats. Stimulation of calcium uptake by brain synaptosomes and activation of protein kinase C are yet other speculative mechanisms of phosphatidylserine's putative cognition-enhancing action.
PDR For Nutritional Supplements by Sheldon Saul Hendle and David Rorvik, page 356
Low levels of phosphatidylserine in the brain are associated with impaired mental function and depression in the elderly.
Textbook of Natural Medicine Volumes 1-2 by Joseph E Pizzorno and Michael T Murray, page 883
Phosphatidylserine has recently been reported to be needed to maintain appropriate age-related cognitive function.
Know Your Fats by Mary G Enig, page 61
Human-based clinical studies
Alzheimer's disease and senile patients have also experienced benefits following treatment with phosphatidylserine. Doses of 400 mg per day led to significant, short-term neuropsychological improvements in such patients relative to controls. The administration of 300 mg per day for eight weeks led to significant clinical improvements in patients with mild primary degenerative dementia. In another study, Alzheimer's patients received 100 mg per day of bovine cortex phosphatidylserine for twelve weeks. Results showed the treatment improved several cognitive measures relative to controls. Animal trials have produced similar results. Phosphatidylserine has promise for cancer and heart disease as well.
Ultimate Anti-Aging Program by Gary Null PhD, page 183
Phosphatidylserine is one of the most abundant phospholipids in the brain. Its primary role is to help relay chemical messages from brain cell to brain cell. Studies have shown that phosphatidylserine supplements can have a significantly positive effect on brain function. In one recent study, 149 healthy men and women, 50 to 70 years of age, were all diagnosed with normal age-associated memory impairment, the kind of forgetfulness we all experience as we grow older. Participants were given 100 mg of phosphatidylserine (PS) daily for 12 weeks, or a placebo. Those taking the PS noted significant improvements in their ability to do normal tasks, such as recall telephone numbers and names and faces. Those who took the placebo showed virtually no change.
Earl Mindell's Supplement Bible by Earl Mindell RPh PhD, page 261
Parkinson's Disease -This article notes that clinical and experimental research indicates phosphatidylserine prepared from cow's brain can have positive effects on cerebral changes involved in the symptoms of Alzheimer's type senile dementia among patients with Parkinson's disease.
The Clinician's Handbook Of Natural Healing by Gary Null PhD, page 122
In a 1991 study of phosphatidylserine among people aged 50 to 75, doctors found positive results when they used 100-milligram doses of PS, three times daily. Researchers found a 30 percent improvement in cognitive function that included memory, learning, recalling names, faces, and numbers. They also found that some people with the worst memory impairment were more likely to respond positively to PS.
Natural Physicians Healing Therapies by Mark Stengler ND, page 363
Alzheimer's Disease study results showed that phosphatidylserine administered in doses of 400 mg per day led to significant, short-term neuropsychological improvements in patients with Alzheimer's disease relative to controls.
The Clinician's Handbook Of Natural Healing by Gary Null PhD, page 117
The primary use of phosphatidylserine is in the treatment of depression and/or impaired mental function in the elderly. Very good results have been obtained in numerous double-blind studies. Statistically significant improvements were noted in the phosphatidylserine-treated group in mental function, mood, and behavior. In a double-blind study of depressed elderly patients, phosphatidylserine improved depressive symptoms, memory, and behavior.
Encyclopedia of Nutritional Supplements by Michael T Murray ND, page 357
Phosphatidylserine (PS) belongs to a special category of fat-soluble substances called phospholipids, which are essential components of cell membranes. PS is found in high concentrations in the brain and may help preserve, or even improve, some aspects of mental functioning in the elderly when taken in the amount of 300 mg per day for 3 to 6 months, according to double-blind research. Placebo-controlled and double-blind studies have shown mild benefits from PS supplementation when used in the amount of 300 mg per day for 3 to 12 weeks in patients with early Alzheimer's disease. In one double-blind study, the improvement on standardized tests of mental functioning averaged approximately 15%. Continued improvement has been reported up to 3 months beyond the end of the supplementation period.
The Natural Pharmacy by Schuyler W Lininger, page 264
Oral administration of 300 mg per day of soybean transphosphatidylated phosphatidylserine can improve and/or prevent senile dementia in humans.
The Clinician's Handbook Of Natural Healing by Gary Null PhD, page 120
Phosphatidylserine supplementation in animal studies and human clinical trials has significantly improved acetylcholine release, memory, and age-related brain changes.
Encyclopedia of Nutritional Supplements by Michael T Murray ND, page 356
Double-blind Randomized Controlled Study of phosphatidylserine in Senile Demented Patients. This double-blind, placebo-controlled study examined the effects of 300 mg per day of phosphatidylserine for 30 days on cognitive, affective and behavioral symptoms of elderly women with depressive disorders. Results showed that patients receiving phosphatidylserine experienced improvements with respect to memory, behavior, and depressive symptoms relative to controls.
The Clinician's Handbook Of Natural Healing by Gary Null PhD, page 119
An impressive volume of research shows that phosphatidylserine, another modified amino acid, benefits acetylcholine deficiencies. We often recommend phosphatidylserine in our clinic when a patient is diagnosed with a memory disorder, early dementia, or depression. Multiple sclerosis patients may respond to phosphatidylserine as well.
The Edge Effect By Eric R Braverman MD, page 112
Brain Function -- Results of this study showed that patients suffering from chronic cerebral decomponensation experienced improvements in mnesic and neuropsychic symtpomatology following phosphatidylserine administration for 60 days.
The Clinician's Handbook Of Natural Healing by Gary Null PhD, page 119
Types of PS supplementation
Phosphatidylserine is a semi-synthetic product manufactured from soy lecithin. Originally, phosphatidylserine was isolated from bovine (beef) brain.
Encyclopedia of Nutritional Supplements by Michael T Murray ND, page 357
In biochemical terms lecithin is synonymous with phosphatidylcholine, in most preparations it is a combination of phosphatidylcholine, phosphatidylethanolamine, and phosphatidylserine. Pure phosphatidylcholine is thought to improve memory by increasing the availability of choline for the production of the neurotransmitter, acetylcholine.
Excitotoxins by Russell L Blaylock MD, page 35
Posphatidylserine is a phospholipid that is a structural component of biological membranes of plants, animals and other life forms. phosphatidylserine was first isolated from brain lipids called cephalins. The major cephalins are phosphatidylserine and phophatidylethanolamine. Another major phospholipid found in egg yolks and soya is phosphatidylcholine, also known, chemically, as lecithin. phosphatidylserine is also isolated from soya and egg yolks.
PDR For Nutritional Supplements by Sheldon Saul Hendle and David Rorvik, page 355
Make sure to buy phosphatidylserine and not phosphorylated serine. The latter is not the same and will not have the same effect.
Natural Physician's Healing Therapies by Mark Stengler ND, page 362
There are reports that phosphatidylserine can activate cells of the immune system. Phosphatidylserine is thought to work by stimulating repair of cell membranes. Preliminary results of a multicenter trial in Italy on phosphatidylserine in Alzheimer's disease patients have now been reported. It appears that after the first six months of the study, improvements in memory and overall decrease in dementia were observed, but only in the most severely demented patients. Phosphatidylserine does not appear to have any adverse side effects.
Vitamin And Mineral Encyclopedia by Sheldon Saul Hendler MD PhD, page 274
Dr. Lombard suggests that people who have been diagnosed with Alzheimer's disease should also take 300 milligrams of a nutritional supplement called phosphatidylserine (PS) daily with meals. Phosphatidylserine is an important component of cell membranes and helps cells in the brain to retain their fluidity -- an important property for proper function," he says. Several studies have shown PS to be helpful for age-related memory decline, Alzheimer's disease, or depression.
Nature's Medicines by Gale Maleskey, page 324
Though it is clearly not a cure, phosphatidylserine (100 mg 3 times per day) has been shown to improve mental function (such as ability to remember names and ability to recall the location of frequently misplaced objects) in individuals with Alzheimer's disease.
The Natural Pharmacy by Schuyler W Lininger, page 264
To help slow or reverse brain aging, the Life Extension Foundation offers a supplement called Cognitex, which contains compounds such as pregnenolone, phosphatidylserine, and several different forms of choline, the building block of acetylcholine, which regulates learning and memory.
Power Aging by Gary Null, page 192
The Cognitex formula contains nutrients such as pregnenolone, phosphatidylserine, and several different forms of choline, which may counter other mechanisms involved in pathologic brain cell aging.
Disease Prevention And Treatment by Life Extension Foundation, page 1261
What is phosphatidylserine and what does it do in general?
Phosphatidylserine is a major building block for nerve cells.
Disease Prevention And Treatment by Life Extension Foundation, page 64
Phosphatidylserine is a constituent of cell membranes and, as the major phospholipid in the brain, plays a role in the integrity and fluidity of cell membranes, especially in nerve cells. Phosphatidylserine supplementation improves the release of acetylcholine and dopamine (neurotransmitters) in the brain to improve cognition and memory, and it has a positive impact on behavior. Phosphatidylserine is also needed for proper metabolism of fatty acids and to maintain a healthy immune system.
Building Wellness with DMG by Roger V Kendall PhD, page 94
Phosphatidylserine is the major phospholipid in the brain, where it plays a major role in determining the integrity and fluidity of cell membranes.
Textbook of Natural Medicine Volumes 1-2 by Joseph E Pizzorno and Michael T Murray, page 883
Phosphatidylserine has potential to improve neural function, helping to maintain cell membrane integrity and protecting brain cells against functional deterioration.
Disease Prevention And Treatment by Life Extension Foundation, page 1222
Phosphatidylserine (PS) is an essential fatty acid that allows brain cells to better absorb nutrients. It has been shown to improve memory and learning in the most severe cases.
A Physician's Guide To Natural Health Products That Work By James Howenstine MD, page 305
Phosphatidylserine is a phospholipid that is vital to neuronal functioning and brain metabolism.
Disease Prevention And Treatment by Life Extension Foundation, page 151
Phosphatidylserine (also called PS) is being hailed as the "ginkgo for the millennium." Studies have shown that this phospholipid extract from soy is effective in improving mental alertness, and especially the memory, in people with age-related mental decline. PS is an important phospholipid that is a building block for cell membranes. It is found in every human cell, but is a very specific brain nutrient, being most highly concentrated in brain cells.
Natural Physician's Healing Therapies by Mark Stengler ND, page 362
Phosphatidylserine (PS) improves neurotransmitter functioning and enhances the metabolism of cellular energy throughout the body.
Disease Prevention And Treatment by Life Extension Foundation, page 499
Phosphatidylserine (PS), plays an important role in maintaining the integrity of brain cell membranes. The breakdown of these membranes prevents glucose and other nutrients from entering the cell. By protecting the integrity of cell membranes, PS facilitates the efficient transport of energy-producing nutrients into cells, enhancing brain cell energy metabolism.
Power Aging by Gary Null, page 173
Although phosphatidylserine is found in every cell type in the body, it plays an especially vital role in nerve tissue. It is critical in membrane-to-membrane fusion -- a key process in neurotransmitter release -- as well as activating cell surface receptors and supporting the transmission of chemical signals.
Textbook of Natural Medicine Volumes 1-2 by Joseph E Pizzorno and Michael T Murray, page 883
It is known that phosphatidylserine is a natural glutamate blocker. It has also been shown to improve cell membrane stability and fluidity. As we age our cell membranes become stiffer, interfering with their normal operation in a multitude of functions such as electrolyte exchange gradients, receptor function, and impulse generation. Phosphatidylserine appears to restore a more youthful composition to these vital membranes. This intriguing compound has also shown promise in Alzheimer's patients. Most improved on several measures of cognitive functions and the result appeared to be most dramatic in those having earlier stages of the disease.
Excitotoxins by Russell L Blaylock MD, page 36
Phospholipids help form the neurons' outer covering, or membrane, and aid communication between brain cells.
Alternative Cures by Bill Gottlieb, page 437
Phosphatidylserine enhances all aspects of cell metabolism; acts on the neuron membrane as aneuroendocrine factor to release intracellular amine stores; improved muscarine cholinergic receptors in brains of aged mice at 10-40 mg. per kg. of body weight; improved glucose metabolism 15-20% in Brain areas of Alzheimer's patients at 500 mg. daily for 3 weeks, and 300 mg. daily improved attention and sociability.
Anti-Aging Manual by Joseph B Marion, page 9
Phosphatidylserine (PS) is one particularly important phospholipid that is involved in relaying chemical messages throughout the brain, helping brain cells to store and retrieve information.
Earl Mindell's Supplement Bible by Earl Mindell RPh PhD, page 120
Phosphatidylserine (PS), a natural substance derived from the amino acid serine, affects neurotransmitter levels in the brain that affect mood.
The Natural Pharmacy by Schuyler W Lininger, page 264
Phosphatidylserine has been shown consistently to improve memory and attention, without causing serious side effects. Phosphatidylserine seems to enhance communication between the chemical messengers (neurotransmitters) in the brain. It also appears to inhibit synthesis of cortisol, a stress hormone that may interfere with thinking and memory.
Bottom Line Yearbook 2004 by Bottom Line Personal, page 18
N-acetyl-cysteine has antioxidant properties that can promote healthy functioning of the brain, while phosphatidylserine enhances the ability of enzymes in membranes of nerve cells to relay messages in and out of the cells. This product can improve memory and learning capacity in older adults, and can ameliorate symptoms of depression. Phosphatidylserine is especially effective when paired with omega-3 fatty acid supplements.
Complete Encyclopedia Of Natural Healing by Gary Null PhD, page 30
Phosphatidylserine has been shown to help relieve depression.
Natural Physician's Healing Therapies by Mark Stengler ND, page 400
Phosphatidylserine, a type of lipid, is an important nutrient for the brain. It can help restore and preserve brain function, including memory. Smart Medicine For Healthier Living by Janet Zand LAc OMD Allan N Spreen MD CNC
James B LaValle RPh ND, page 91
Supplemental forms of a phospholipid called phosphatidylserine (PS), which is normally found in the brain, have been widely used for treating cognitive disorders.
The Omega Solution by Jonathan Goodman ND, page 121
Phosphatidylserine, a type of lipid, can be helpful if memory problems accompany fibromyalgia. It often yields rapid and impressive improvement in memory and mental alertness.
Smart Medicine For Healthier Living by Janet Zand LAc OMD Allan N Spreen MD CNC James B LaValle RPh ND, page 286
Schizophrenia and epilepsy patients have benefited from phosphatidylserine. Stress is another condition that phostphatidylserine can help. The administration of 800 mg per day of phosphatidylserine for ten days on neuroendocrine responses to physical stress in healthy males found it counteracted activation of the hypothalamo-pituitary-adrenal axis induced by stress. Pretreatment of healthy males with doses of 50 and 75 mg per day of brain cortex-derived phosphatidlyserine produced a significant blunting of the ACTH and cortisol responses to physical stress.
Ultimate Anti-Aging Program by Gary Null PhD, page 184
Phosphatidylserine is a nutritional supplement, not a drug; as such, it is more widely known in alternative than in conventional medicinal circles. In short, it is a fatty substance that may halt memory declines and even bring memory improvements (at least among those who have already suffered some decline).
Uncommon Cures for Everyday Ailments by the editors of Bottom Line Health, page 184
Phosphatidylserine: A Brain-Cell Stimulator "Certain nutritional supplements can protect and stimulate brain cells, making the most of what hasn't been killed or damaged by the stroke," says Phillip Minton, M.D., a homeopathic physician in Reno. The nutrient phosphatidylserine, which is a component of cellular membranes, is among them.
Alternative Cures by Bill Gottlieb, page 566
Phosphatidylserine (PS) - an essential fatty acid your body produces naturally in limited amountskeeps your brain active and alert, starting on the cellular level. First, it "influences fluidity" of the brain-cell membrane. By facilitating the delivery of nutrients to the brain cells, as well as the cells' ability to receive the nutrients, PS effectively feeds your brain.
Underground Cures by Health Sciences Institute, page 101
Animal-based research studies
Results of this study showed that the administration of phosphatidylserine balanced age-altered enzymatic functions in rats.
The Clinician's Handbook Of Natural Healing by Gary Null PhD, page 804
Several double-blind studies suggest that phosphatidylserine can help maintain cognitive function in older individuals and may be able to improve memory and learning skill in some. There is evidence that phosphatidylserine can help maintain the hippocampal dendritic spine population of aging rats. It has been suggested that these spines serve as a substrate for information storage. There are several studies demonstrating improved cognitive function in several animal models.
PDR For Nutritional Supplements by Sheldon Saul Hendle and David Rorvik, page 356
Results of study showed that phosphatidylserine administered to aging rats can restore acetylcholine by maintaining a sufficient level in the cortical slices.
The Clinician's Handbook Of Natural Healing by Gary Null PhD, page 804
A 1987 report by an Italian scientist showed that when phosphatidylserine was given orally to rats with known age-dependent declines in cerebral function it improved memory deficits, prevented the decline in learning capacity observed in aged rats, restored age-dependent electroencephalogram (EEG) abnormalities and prevented some degenerative nerve cell changes in certain parts of the brain.
Vitamin And Mineral Encyclopedia by Sheldon Saul Hendler MD PhD, page 272
"Activity of phosphatidylserine on Memory Retrieval and on Exploration in Mice," study showed that the postnatal administration of an aqueous suspension of phosphatidylserine led to improvements of memory processes in mice.
The Clinicians Handbook Of Natural Healing by Gary Null PhD, page 807
Postnatal administration of an aqueous suspension of phosphatidylserine led to improvements of memory processes in mice.
The Clinician's Handbook Of Natural Healing by Gary Null PhD, page 120
Animal studies indicate that phosphatidylserine restores acetylcholine release in aging rats by maintaining an adequate supply of the molecule and is able to increase the availability of endogenous choline for de novo acetylcholine synthesis. The hippocampus of the brain is believed to be important for cognitive processes and is affected in those with Alzheimer's disease. The dendritic spines of pyramidal cells, the post-synaptic target of the excitatory input to the hippocampus, have been proposed as a substrate for information storage.
PDR For Nutritional Supplements by Sheldon Saul Hendle and David Rorvik, page 355
Results of study showed that oral administration of 50 mg/kg per day of phosphatidylserine for 12 weeks improved spatial memory and passive avoidance retention of aged impaired rats.
The Clinician's Handbook Of Natural Healing by Gary Null PhD, page 120
In rats, it appears that there is extensive digestion of phosphatidylserine in the small intestine, producing, among other things, lysophospha-tidylserine, a substance that contains only one fatty acid, and phosphatidylethanolamine. Following absorption, lysophosphatidylserine is metabolized in intestinal mucosa cells, and its metabolites, which include some phosphatidylserine, enter the lymphatics draining the small intestine. It appears that only a small fraction of ingested phosphatidylserine reaches the systemic circulation as part of the phospholipid pool. The amount that reaches the brain, after either intraperitoneal injection or oral administration, is very small. Most of the behavioral and neurochemical effects noted in animal studies have been observed only after repeated intraperitoneal and oral phosphatidylserine dosing.
PDR For Nutritional Supplements by Sheldon Saul Hendle and David Rorvik, page 356
Administration During Postnatal Development Improves Memory in Adult Mice study showed that oral administration of 50 mg/kg per day of phosphatidylserine for 12 weeks improved spatial memory and passive avoidance retention of aged impaired rats.
The Clinician's Handbook Of Natural Healing by Gary Null PhD, page 807
Phosphatidylserine supplementation in animal studies has been shown to significantly improve acetylcholine release, memory, and age-related brain changes. Presumably these effects are responsible for the positive effects noted in human clinical trials.
Textbook of Natural Medicine Volumes 1-2 by Joseph E Pizzorno and Michael T Murray, page 885
Age-related Alterations of NMDA-receptor Properties in the Mouse Forebrain: Partial Restoration by Chronic phosphatidylserine Treatment," Brain Research study indicated that the oral administration of 300 mg per day of soybean transphosphati-dylated phosphatidylserine can improve and/or prevent senile dementia in humans.
The Clinician's Handbook Of Natural Healing by Gary Null PhD, page 807
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This is going to sound sooooooooo weird.
I happen to believe that Femara and Arimadex don't create new
problems but just exacerbate problems we may have already had
that may or may not have manifested themselves.
I've had carpal tunnel diagnosed by EMG's and even worse on my good arm but was completely asymptomatic till Femara. And my bone scan revealed osteo-arthritis in my knees hips and low back but it was just your garden variety arthritis till Femara.
Additionally, I've always functioned as if I had cross eyes.
So, my spatial relationships, and balance have always been
an issue, and reading----a very slow proposition. Taking
Femara has done a mega number on what remained of my balance
and adding any other meds made it impossible to get across a room or down a hallway, and limited my driving to back roads of two lanes under 40 mph.
So, imagine my astonishment when a few weeks ago my balance
started to improve----I've actually not just noticed but felt well enough to test it out.
I went on a road that I had not traveled in four years because I was so dizzy at the end of the drive I thought it was a miracle that I'd arrived in one piece.
I took that road and had no problems, so yesterday, I attempted another road that had been out of the question----
the turnpike (Yikes). Amazingly, I handled it although I must admit I was scared that it could come on suddenly and I
would be in big trouble---It was only one exit--but still
something out of the question for a long time.
Now is it the Sam-e helping? Is it the Phosphatidylserene?
Is it discontinuing the Effexor XR. I am still on Femara
so it has nothing to do with that.
I'm wondering if it has anything to do with Dopamine which these two supplements affect----but, I'm not a Doctor or Scientist---only a layman and these are just observations
on my part.
I'd like to know what you gals or guys think?
Susie -
Susie, I don't know the answer to your question but am intrigued. It makes sense. I know I felt terrible when I ran out of Sam-e and won't make that mistake again. Did I tell you that I found Glucosamine/Chrondroitin/MSM/SAM-e all in one at Puritan's Pride. It only has 100mg of SAM-e in 3 capsules so I'm taking it in addition to my regular SAM-e but was able to cut it back by one pill. Best wishes!
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Saluki,
Here's some info to reinforce and help explain your speculations:
http://ezinearticles.com/?SAM-e-Information---Our-Article-on-SAM-e-Information&id=493576
****DO NOT TAKE SAMe IF YOU ARE TAKING PRESCRIPTION ANTI-DEPRESSANTS****
SAM-e is a key ingredient in the manufacture of important compounds found in the brain, such as phosphatidylserine and neurotransmitters. SAM-e helps neurotransmitters in binding to the receptor sites. This, in turn, causes a boost in serotonin and dopamine activity -- two very important compounds that sturdily influence our moods.
Phosphatidylserine itself is an essential nutrient for cells. Especially, the nerve cells , where it is needed in high abundance, to aid the communication between cells that promote and release neurotransmitters.
And Saluki, you already take the enteric-coated, but for anyone else who's interested:
Powerful acids that are secreted in you stomach can destroy SAM-e on contact. So, it is important you take an enteric coated SAM-e supplement. The enteric coating allows the nutrient to pass through the acids of the stomach almost entirely safe and get into your bloodstream.
There are other neurotransmitters & related compounds that you might want to have tested once your symptoms improve on the current regime. Dopamine is one, GABA, Glutamate, Histamine, Serotonin, and others. If you're interested, I'll send you a PM with a company you can work with for the testing (NOTE: they also sell the supplements to help with the problem--the testing is available separately, but also functions to sell their stuff. Ive found a source for the supplements if you'd like to review the ingredients and make your own mix or get them elsewhere.) -
Thanks BBS,
I just forwarded your info to my Doctor.
I know he will believe that my balance is better as is my AI
SE's; But getting him to believe my reasoning in attributing it to the SAM-e and Phosphatidylserine,-- will be an entirely different matter.
I'll need all the ammunition, I can get. LOL
Susie -
Quote:
Thanks BBS,
I just forwarded your info to my Doctor.
I know he will believe that my balance is better as is my AI
SE's; But getting him to believe my reasoning in attributing it to the SAM-e and Phosphatidylserine,-- will be an entirely different matter.
I'll need all the ammunition, I can get. LOL
Susie
SUSIE, I WAS ON FEMARA FOR 6 MO., AND HAD ALL THE BAD SIDE EFFECTS, BONE, MUSCLE, JOINT, DEPRESSION, BALANCE AND MEMORY PROBLEMS ETC.. OFF FEMARA NOW FOR THREE MONTHS, AND MOST ALL OF THESE SIDE EFFECTS ARE GONE.. STILL HAVE TRIGGER THUMBS AND SORE SHOULDERS AND NECK, BUT EXERCISE HELPS HERE. ALSO GET REIKI AND MASSAGE TX.
QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES, THE FEMARA IS DEADLY, KEEPS THE CANCER AWAY, AND DESTROYS YOUR BONES. SHUTS DOWN ESTROGEN PRODUCTION, SO WHAT ELSE DOES IT SHUT DOWN? ANYWAY, FEELING CLOSER TO MY PRE B/C SELF NOW.. AND AM TAKING NO DRUGS, JUST SUPPLEMENTS..DIET, AND EXERCISE. ALL BLOOD WORK IS NORMAL AND STABLIZIED SINCE OFF FEMARA..SO SAYS ONC. -
Biondi,
The SE's from Femara have been particularly debilitating for me and combined with the RSD/CRPS Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy that I have, it had become intolerable.
When I had to get off all the medications that were potentially helping the SE's because of liver toxicity I was distraught.
I have been thrilled that I am having success with these supplements , the SE's are under control, and I am getting additional benefits as well.
If it keeps up like this I will have no problem staying on Femara for another year.
I just hope the Sam-e or Phosphatidylserine does not poop out and stop working like some of the other meds have.
Glad you are getting relief now that you've made a QOL decision. Its difficult to choose. And I'm glad that
your SE's are subsiding--
Guess thats always in the back of my mind---will all the SE's subside with discontinuation after such a long time on this medication?
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