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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2007
    I'm sorry Amy - I thought (and REALLY hoped) this time was better! I knew you had the other issues but I guess I figured if you stayed out of the hospital - it was pretty good. Man, this sucks!

    LeeAnne - my nipple is still blue too! I had my surgery on March 29th!! No one knows how long it will last and no one seems to care, so I don't either...I just feel a little smurfy! I hope you start to feel better (emotionally) soon. Enjoy that movie - it is such a wonderful distraction!

    Virginia - I thought the nail problems were from the Taxols?

    One thing I've learned about chemo is that it is so different for everyone. I'm always surprised at the doctors who are shocked at some of the SE's - I mean, look how much we've learned from the what - 100 or so women on this board who post their experiences - and the doctors with all the patients they've seen still don't recognize some symptoms as side effects? (Don't get me wrong - I am grateful for their expertise and ability to help me to live a long and healthy life) I guess I expect them to have "seen it all"!

    Anyways - I am now rambling!
    Take care,
    Mandy
  • chumfry
    chumfry Member Posts: 642
    edited July 2007
    Virginia, I've lost my share of posts, too. Now, before I hit the "Continue" or "Submit" buttons, I highlight the text, go to Edit and Copy it. Then if the text disappears into a great black hole, I just Paste what I saved. Yay!! (Learned this from another lady on the boards.)

    I hope I didn't freak anyone out talking about mortality, etc. This *is* my second time through the process, so maybe I have more dark thoughts.

    I'm 49, and got my first diagnosis in 2005. It was a pretty big tumor in my left breast, 4.5cm, so I opted for a mastectomy. For some reason, I was more leery of the radiation than of the chemo. So that played into my decision against lumpectomy. Finished chemo (dose-dense AC x4, Taxol x4) in mid-January 2006.

    Reconstruction was expander/implant on left and reduction on right. I was seeing onc every three months for follow up, with mammos every six months. In April, mammo found a small nodule in right breast. Thought it might be fat necrosis or scar tissue from reduction. Nope, it's cancer.

    But it was a different type of cancer than the first tumor, IDC instead of medullary. Since my breast tissue appears to be fertile ground for cancer, I had another mastectomy, with expander and eventual implant.

    My chemo this time is weekly Taxol/Carboplatin. I got my seventh of 12 treatments today. I go three Fridays in a row and then skip one. I'll be done Aug. 31. I'm worried about my fingernails. They are just tender and numb now, with the occasional ZAP of a shooting pain. But they're not lifting or gooey, so maybe I'll hang onto them. I didn't lose any in 2005. Fingers crossed!
  • aimster1123
    aimster1123 Member Posts: 200
    edited July 2007
    Ugh, all this talk of fingernails is reminding me to be grateful that I'm not having any taxols! Although, Virginia, did you say you were having AC? or was it TC? Sorry, I can't remember.

    I've never had the arm thing, either, although I have a port. I think if I'd been HER2 + I would have definitely wanted the port, but I guess you just have to pick your poison, huh? I'm sorry you've had that yuckiness to deal with, Virginia.

    Mandy, you're sweet. I wish it was better too. I honestly thought that staying out of the ER would make the whole thing "doable", but it turns out not so much. I suppose medically speaking they'd prefer I wasn't in the ER, but for me it's kind of 6 of one, half dozen of the other. I can either feel like total crap at home, and be sort of half-hallucinating on Marinol for 3 days before I settle into an exhaustion and nausea phase that lasts until day 8, dragging a pump around with me any time I go anywhere in the house, OR, I can be coherent but throwing up for 1 day, and THEN go into the exhaustion/nausea phase. Hard to say which I prefer, LOL! What I DO know, is that I think some HUGE life lessons are being learned here, by all of us. I don't have all of mine crystallized yet--I think that will become clearer for me as more time passes and I've had more time to ruminate--but I know they're being learned on some level and I'm grateful for that.

    CindyMN, you totally don't freak me out with the mortality talk. It's a reality, and good to acknowledge it every once in a while. I mean, I do tend to avoid those books where the people get recurrences and die, but that doesn't mean that I don't want to face the reality of this diagnosis and deal with it, in whatever way I need to. Whenever I feel sorry for myself with all the yuckiness, I just think about how hard it would be to face this AGAIN, and all the women, like you, who have had to do that. You're an inspiration in the way you keep on going with it all and take it in stride, at least to some extent (with those dark thoughts thrown in, I know!)

    OK, enough philosophizing for one night.

    Love you all,

    Amy
  • lizzzy
    lizzzy Member Posts: 285
    edited July 2007
    Cindy in MN, I just wrote a long email and lost it after reading your advice about saving the text just in case. DOH! Anyway, I'm really interested in what you thought of the reduction and how it compared to the mastectomy. I'm sure you'd rather have the breast than not, but was the reduction a separate surgery? Was it hard to recover? How was the scar? I'm wondering because I'm trying to decide between a double mast and having a reduction on the good side. I'd love to hear more about the experience. I'm a DD right now and there's no way I want an implant to match that.

    Virginia, Thanks for explaining about the treatment plan. I don't know much about the her2+.

    I'll have to catch up tomorrow, it's midnight.

    Hope everyone had a good day. I had my MRI today so now I have the wait for results. Tick tock.
  • VirginiaNJ
    VirginiaNJ Member Posts: 634
    edited July 2007
    Good Morning All,

    Yes, I was shocked when I had problems with my nails. It is so gross... I just booked a 2 week cruise for January. Now here's hoping my nails are growing back (although they say toes take about 18 months!!!) I am doing AC chemo...they thought the "T" was overkill given the size of my tumor.

    Today is one month to the date of my last AC chemo. I have to take a picture of my "coconut" as my dad likes to call my head. I want to document the hair re-growth. Although, they said I shouldn't start seeing re-growth until about now... I can't decide if the fuzz on top of my head is what my sister DIDN'T shave or new stuff coming in. I am rubbing my head (like a Buddah belly) willing my hair to grow...and I am telling myself the fuzz is new.

    I laughed outloud in one of the previous posts that called the A Red Devil...Sooooooooooo true. The C made me really stuffy in the nose. Also gross...a feeling that lasted a long time.

    It's funny how we are freaked about different things. The port TOTALLY freaks me out. I HATE needles, but think I would rather be stuck every 3 weeks for a year for the Herceptin than have the port. I'm just a big squeamish baby.

    LOL about copying the post...I DID that the second time around. Once burned twice shy? Is that the saying...?

    My first Herceptin gave me a wicked headache which went away fairly quickly. now I have this annoying runny drippy nose that drips without warning down the front of my shirt. can you say GROSS! (So many things gross me out with all of this).

    Ok guys, sorry again to be so long winded. I feel like I have so much to tell all of you.....

    Will still post about the Gen testing...

    have a great weekend...and for those under the weather, I wish you a speedy trip out of the black hole...

    Virginia
  • ocinny414
    ocinny414 Member Posts: 123
    edited July 2007
    HI ALL,
    Wow its been a long time since I posted. I am pretty much settled into the new house. My daughter is still visiting but she goes back to her dads tomorrow.
    I had another treatment on Monday and today (Saturday) is the first day I've felt like doing anything. I do have good news. I only have 2 more treatments. I should be done by August 13. WOOOHOOOO I'm excited.
    I'm on cytoxan/Taxotere and my nail beds get sore the day after treatment. My onc told me to be carefull not to snag them because they are weak so I cut my nails shorter than normal, dont want to rip off a nail or something. I was told with the taxotere the nails could turn yellow get ridges and fall off. I'm hoping they dont since I'm almost done.
    I have not completely shaved my head and I still have hair. It does thin a little more after each treatment mainly on top. Pretty soon I'm gonna look like an old man bald on top with hair on the sides just like my Grandpa Jess. LOL I know I need to break down and shave it so it all grows back in even but I just cant seem to do it.
    I have had lots of fatigue this time. When I went in for my Nuelasta shot on Thursday my blood pressure was 100/66 or is it the other way around. darn chemo brain. Anyway they said that was pretty low and asked if I had been tired. Not sure what my blood counts have been, keep forgeting to ask my onc about them.
    Ok this is a long post. I'll try and keep up better now that I'm back online.
    CindyKS
  • aimster1123
    aimster1123 Member Posts: 200
    edited July 2007
    Hey girls,

    Virginia, you're not long-winded--we need to catch up on you!

    OK, what's that saying, "Two steps forward, one step back"? I think that's the theme of this tx for me. Yesterday was a decent day. Babysitter came and stayed with the kids, I ran a couple of errands, came home and fed them lunch, put them down for naps, all while feeling pretty fatigued but I could still manage it. TODAY, totally different story. Dh and I planned to go on a picnic with the kids at a nearby park. Dh made the lunch, all I had to do was get dressed and go. We spent about 20 minutes out in the yard first, looking at our garden and all the fruit and things dh is growing. By the time we got to the car, I was REALLY nauseated. We drove about 15 minutes towards the park and realized I just couldn't do it. Had to turn around and go home so I could lie down and take Ativan and cancel the whole plan. It is SO FRUSTRATING!!!! I just want to be normal, and do a little something with my family!

    POSITIVES: Clearly, my dh is awesome. He's playing fingerpaints and play-doh with the kids right now. What a Daddy. And another positive, I didn't actually throw up! And my onc had his nurse call me yesterday to make sure I was OK after my Compazine reaction on Thursday. I love him.

    Amy
  • chemo072
    chemo072 Member Posts: 682
    edited July 2007
    CindyKS - welcome back! Glad to hear you're settled in...when you said you were moving in the middle of chemo my mouth dropped - power to you, it would make me curl up in a comatose corner

    Good news on my end - through Blogher I found out about http://imtooyoungforthis.org/community/i2y_money.html, and through that site I found out about the Brenda Mehling Cancer Fund www.bmcf.net. I emailed them on Sunday, applied on Monday and last night they called with good news - they're paying my rent for August! (or nearly)
  • NeoPat
    NeoPat Member Posts: 102
    edited July 2007
    Did any of you get abdominal pain from Taxol? It feels a bit like menstrual cramps, so maybe it is just part of the muscle and joint pain that Taxol can cause. I've had it since yesterday afternoon.

    No fever and problems urinating. I called the doctor and he said to just watch it.

    Psat
  • lizzzy
    lizzzy Member Posts: 285
    edited July 2007
    Quote:

    Ok guys, sorry again to be so long winded. I feel like I have so much to tell all of you.....Virginia



    Don't worry about that. We don't have enough traffic on this list if you ask me. We are all anxious for you to share whatever you would like to share.
  • chemo072
    chemo072 Member Posts: 682
    edited July 2007
    Quote:

    Did any of you get abdominal pain from Taxol? It feels a bit like menstrual cramps, so maybe it is just part of the muscle and joint pain that Taxol can cause. I've had it since yesterday afternoon.

    No fever and problems urinating. I called the doctor and he said to just watch it.

    Psat




    NeoPat -YES! I've been calling it the "Chemopause and Cramps" situation and walking around groaning and muttering mild obscenities about it. 'nuff said. I've been a very unhappy camper about the whole cramps deal. As if chemopause wasn't enough, but now I have to have it WITH cramps? Oh my word. I read somewhere that that taxol affects the endometrium? Anyone else hear that?
  • VirginiaNJ
    VirginiaNJ Member Posts: 634
    edited July 2007
    Amy, I don't know how you manage to take care of a family... I live alone, and when I was my sickest (last 2 treatments), I could barely hit the clicker to change the TV channel. Some weekends I didn't even get out of my PJ's or leave the house. I give you TONS of credit for even trying to go on a picnic!!

    Oh, wanted to answer the question about the genetic testing... I haven't had it yet. All of my DR's want me to... My NJ onc, in fact, is pretty sure I have the BRCA gene. Anyhow, I have been just trying to get through the surgery and the treatment afterwards. I don't have kids, so it doesn't really matter in that regard... And I've had the cancer... The one it would truly benefit is my sister who has 4 daughters, but she hasn't wrapped her head around it... The onc has said that if I have the test, then they know what to test my sis for, and if she DOESN'T have the gene, then none of her girls will. My sister is freaked and doesn't know what she would do with the info (live life in fear or take preventative action...) She also doesn't want to scare her kids. Anyhow, my feeling is if at least she knows, she can be more aware with testing even if she doesn't do prevenative surgery. It's instances like this that the Big C REALLY pisses me off.

    Oh, and I REALLY miss my hair!! I startle myself in the mirror sometimes. And, the funniest thing is my face is tan and my head is white... I look kind of freakish!! LOL

    Feel better Amy...I was actually in your airport last week. I had lunch at Tami Longaberger's house! (It was a special luncheon for those "living with breast cancer." It was very very special and nice to meet people outside of a hospital environment who are going thru/went through what we have. I had my picture taken with Tami with my bald head! LOL Maybe I'll be in the brochure some day! HAHA!

    Virginia
  • NeoPat
    NeoPat Member Posts: 102
    edited July 2007
    Amya, I'm sorry that you are having to deal with these cramps, too. It is really painful and Tylenol and Percocet don't do much against them for me. My legs also hurt sometimes, but I really only notice the abdominal cramps.

    Pat
  • aimster1123
    aimster1123 Member Posts: 200
    edited July 2007
    Hey Virginia,

    The deal with my family is this. I have husband and 2 kids (ages 4 and 2) and I stay at home with them. BUT I also have the most AMAZING support network of friends through my church, and that is the ONLY WAY we are getting through this. When I have a tx (which is always on Thursday) somebody (it rotates who it is) watches my kids from 9-6 on THursday and Friday. Then Dh is home for the weekend, then more 9-6 childcare the following week until I'm ready to take it over again. This past week I had all-day childcare Mon-Thursday, and then a babysitter at the house 9-1 on Friday. On the rest of the weeks, a babysitter comes to the house or takes the kids out 2 days a week, 9-1, so I can keep my head above water with everything in the house. Add to all this, that there is a schedule of people bringing meals to the house M, W & F, May-August. Without all of this I don't know how we'd do it. Like you, I'm completely unable to function from the day of treatment until about the following Wednesday. I just lie on my side and watch DVDs on my computer, or sleep, or surf the web and type a short note to all of you. NO WAY I could do what a 2 and 4-year-old needs. So, I'm not the amazing one, it's all my friends. And some of them aren't even friends, per se, just people from my church pitching in. I don't even recognize names of people who brought the meal half the time.

    All for now,

    Amy
  • chumfry
    chumfry Member Posts: 642
    edited July 2007
    Liz, I was a droopy DDD so there was definitely no way I could match with an implant. They did the reduction when they exchanged my expander for the implant. I also had them take out my port then. I was off work for just two weeks, compared to the six weeks post-mastectomy.

    I finished chemo in January and had my second surgery in May, but you could do it earlier than that. They wanted me to get my immune system back up post-chemo, and your expander has to be as big as you want it to be, plus some extra for the "sag," for a few months pre-surgery. I think I got a good match between implant and reduction.

    Because my breasts were so large, they moved my nipple up and I unfortunately was in the percentage of patients who lose most of the feeling in the nipple. That was very disappointing for me, because my breasts were a big part of my sex life. But necessity is the mother of invention and we're finding other erogenous zones.

    The reduction did create new lumps and bumps in my breasts, which were a little worrisome to me. I had a biopsy on one that just turned out to be something called a fat necrosis. These happen pretty frequently after reductions.

    One of the nurses asked me if I wished I'd had a double mastectomy the first time, but I don't have any regrets. The info I had at the time warranted one mastectomy, not two, and I was followed so closely afterwards that my second cancer was found very early.

    My first tumor was medullary, which is kind of rare and hardly ever travels. And it didn't. I had IDC the second time. Weird, huh? But triple neg both times. That's a big reason to hit it hard with chemo, since tamoxifen and hercepton won't help me.
  • lizzzy
    lizzzy Member Posts: 285
    edited July 2007

    Thanks CindyMN for the info. It is a tough decision but I'm still leaning toward the bilateral. I still need to speak with my plastic surgeon to fully understand my options of course. But thanks a lot for explaining all of this.

  • NeoPat
    NeoPat Member Posts: 102
    edited July 2007
    Hi, everyone. I hope that you all have a great day. I had a comfortable night last night thanks to Percocet. The pain started up again about 10:00 this morning, so I thought, "What the heck," and took another one. I hate the feeling that they give me, but I don't think that I can handle another day of pain.

    Amy, that is wonderful how much support you get from your church.

    Pat
  • aimster1123
    aimster1123 Member Posts: 200
    edited July 2007
    Hey girls,

    I'm home from church early--just couldn't make it any further past Sunday School, so dh brought me home to rest and went back himself. My temp is a little up, so I'm watching that. My normal temp is always low--about 97.6 or so, and right now I'm at 99.9, so I'm taking it every 30 minutes or so just to be safe.

    Off to rest,

    Amy
  • chumfry
    chumfry Member Posts: 642
    edited July 2007
    Liz, I must admit I now feel more confident about future incidents of BC now that I've had two mastectomies. What type of reconstruction, if any, are you considering?

    If you are going for expanders/implants, talk to your surgeon about injecting Botox into the chest muscle that's going to be stretched by the expander. That didn't happen for my first surgery and it made my recovery from that surgery MUCH more difficult. Very painful!

    Had different PS for second mastectomy/expander and the Botox made a world of difference.
  • chemo072
    chemo072 Member Posts: 682
    edited July 2007

    CindyMN - Botox? Do tell - how is it used? For pain mgmt? I still have to choose a PS and the whole process is...daunting.

  • lizzzy
    lizzzy Member Posts: 285
    edited July 2007
    Cindy, I'm thinking I want expander/implants but haven't spoken to PS yet so that could all change. But from what I've read that's what I want. I will ask about the Botox. That's something I've never heard.

    Do you know if they always put them under the muscle for women with mastectomies?
  • Traci-----TripNeg
    Traci-----TripNeg Member Posts: 2,298
    edited July 2007
    Hi Liz,
    I wanted to chime in on this one.
    My little sister had cancer 10 yrs ago when she was 29 and a mastectomy of the left breast. She left her other one alone. Thank God....she has yet to have re-occurance in her right breast however, she is constantly worried about that. Every other mammo on the good breast is "questionable" so she's had like 7 needle biopsies since, not to mention the panic of re-occurance. And she is completely lopsided because she has one implant (perky) and one mommy boob.
    When I got my breast cancer (dx 2/07 at age 40) I didn't hesitate to go for double mast even though, I was Stage II, node neg with no cancer whatsover in the other breast....because of what my sister has been, and is going through.
    Turns out, we are both BRCA positive but, I made my decision without that knowledge.
    I had expanders put in immediately after the mast and I will admit, I'm concerned about the scars and what I'm going to look like after but, at least I can worry a little less about BC coming back.
    I did not have the botox that Cindy talked about but I'll be honest, the saline fills have been completely painless. I am still pretty much numb from the mast. I recovered from the surgery very quickly and honestly, other than a "thick and tight" feeling across my chest, I have had very little, if any pain. Although, the first week after did suck when it came to comfort because of the damn drains and that horrid atheletic wrap they put around you. But, I was drove myself to church after 4 days (I wore a flowing gypsy skirt and safety pinned my drains to my slip underneath, between my legs....lol) and was moving around with relative ease after that. (I did finish my sript of Hydrocodone after surgery but, didn't need to refill it....until I had Taxotere!)
    One piece of advise though. My scars are long. My left is 7 inches and my right is 6 3/4. I went onto a website called FORCE that has quite a few photos of mastectomies and the scars don't look anything like mine. They are not near as long. Some of them looked as little as 2 inches.
    I wish............I would have seen them before I had my surgery. I would have questioned my surgeon. I would rather have two scars (another little one to cut out the lymph nodes)then one great big scar that goes from the middle of my arm pit to almost the center of my chest.
    Anyway, just wanted to give you my input. I wish you the best of luck no matter your decision.
    : ) Traci
  • aimster1123
    aimster1123 Member Posts: 200
    edited July 2007
    The fun just never ends!! I emailed my onc, and he called me back and said to start taking my precautionary antibiotic, and to call if my temp went up higher. So when I hit the "magic number" of 100.5 about an hour later, I called the clinic. The on-call doc says, "Well, since you're already taking the antibiotic, let's just wait and see if you start to feel a lot worse or your temp goes up to 101.5". Can anybody relate tho this--I just want them to DO SOMETHING so I can stop feeling like CRAP!!!! I'm so tired of talking do Dr.'s and nurses and having them say, "well, you just have to keep waiting!" I don't want to get sick, but if it means they'll give me something so my head isn't splitting open and I can have energy to do something for more than 30 minutes, that would sure be nice! I don't suppose there would be a magic cure, though. GRRRR! At this rate, I'm going to go into my next chemo without ever experiencing feeling good.

    Sorry to grouse!

    Amy
  • NeoPat
    NeoPat Member Posts: 102
    edited July 2007
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    Pat
  • chumfry
    chumfry Member Posts: 642
    edited July 2007
    I had a breast surgeon who did a skin-sparing mastectomy and during the same operation, the PS took over after the mastectomy to insert the expander under the chest muscle.

    I was told they want the expander under the chest muscle because then if more cancer occurs, it would be right under your skin and easy to detect. You don't get mammos on breasts that have had mastectomies/implants so if the implant is on top of the muscle, new cancer could hide under the implant.

    I had quite a bit of pain after my first mastetomy because that PS put about 300ml of saline in the expander during the surgery so my muscle was pretty stretched and unhappy.

    Had a different PS for second mastectomy and he injected Botox into the muscle during the surgery. He also filled the expander with about 300ml of saline during the surgery but I had much less pain during recovery and during fills this time. The botox lasts several months before wearing off. I had never heard of using Botox, either, but it sure helped me.
  • rice2020
    rice2020 Member Posts: 3
    edited July 2007

    I cruised thru first 3 treatments of chemo (never vomitted!!) but Taxol -shit! cramps, electric shocks all down my legs, and pins and needles in feet, which lasted 3 months after finishing. In the end (after the 3rd treatment, and taking panadol!!!) I took tramodol(took a good day to kick in but magic stuff, although I burbled a bit) only took it for 3 days, as it is apparently very addictive.

  • Traci-----TripNeg
    Traci-----TripNeg Member Posts: 2,298
    edited July 2007
    Cindy!
    Thank you gor your explanation as to why they put them under the muscle. I did not know that!
    That makes me feel better about detecting re-occurance.
    Thank you,
    Traci
  • DebbieK
    DebbieK Member Posts: 116
    edited July 2007
    Liz, I had a mastectomy on the right and reduction on the left. Actually, the plastic surgeon came into the surgery as the breast surgeon was completing the mast. and did the reduction right at that time. It worked out well because then I only had one recovery. I am happy with my reduction; sure wouldn't have been able to haul around a prost. big enough to match on the right so it was a good choice for me. I probably will eventually have a reconstruction on the mast side, but haven't decided for sure. I was very glad that I went and talked to the plastic surgeon before my mastectomy because it did change the course of my treatment.

    Good luck with making your decision.

    Debbie
  • PDXLeeAnne
    PDXLeeAnne Member Posts: 119
    edited July 2007
    Add me to the club for bizarre Taxol pains. No one ever said anything about cramps, but I sure did experience them. They were different from regular cramps - like my entire pelvic floor was seizing up. Nasty! They were really bad on about day 2. I'd also been told that the bone/joint pain would last a few days but I find myself a week and half out STILL having aches and pains. Or is that from the chemo-pause?

    The nurse said I could take Melatonin and I'm pretty psyched about that because it works for me. I got a scrip for Ambien (I haven't been sleeping well at all, for a long time, and its finally caught up with me) but it didn't work. Go figure. Who else wakes up with nasty hot flashes way too often? I guess its good that I don't have hair because my head sweats SO much at night.

    The other thing I asked the nurse about was going to movies. I guess I thought I needed to avoid theaters to avoid infection but she said it wasn't a problem. That's why I get Neulasta. So yesterday I rallied and took my kids to see a movie (Hurricane on the Bayou at our local Omnimax Theater) and that was a wonderful escape from being in my own head too much, as well as from my aches and pains.

    Amy, how's your fever?

    Hugs all,
    LeeAnne
  • PDXLeeAnne
    PDXLeeAnne Member Posts: 119
    edited July 2007
    I forgot - this is how fatigued I am: I ordered groceries from Safeway online! I figure I need to conserve my strength for things that matter, and grocery shopping really doesn't. Hey, and first order was free delivery! Yeah!

    LeeAnne

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