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  • SammieKB
    SammieKB Member Posts: 177
    edited July 2007
    Hi all,
    I have been reading your posts for awhile. I started Taxol in Feb. Took 12 doses in 12 weeks, then moved on to FAC starting in May; I am on the Feb.chemo cruisers thread, but they have all finished AC long ago, so have enjoyed hearing your experiences with the stronger chemo.
    I had bil.mast. in Dec. for Lobular BC in right breast. I have tissue expanders and will have reconst. sometime. Right now I am 10 days out from 3rd FAC and tired, low white blood counts. I have gained weight and want to exercise, but just don't have the energy. And it is HOT here in South Texas.
    My best to you all and thanks for sharing your experiences. I don't feel so alone. Hugs to all Sammie Kay
  • chemo072
    chemo072 Member Posts: 682
    edited July 2007
    Hi Sammie, welcome and hugs to you....how many FACs will you have? Are you on the homestretch?

    Amy - only two more rounds to go!! Hang in there...

    I'm a little bummed - hand foot syndrome hit again, my feet are hot and burning. We tried IV hydrocortisone again yesterday and it helped for the day...I was hoping it would last and it didn't.

    Also, my platelet count dropped in half (to 180, still ok), but a precipitous drop, and a liver lab, ALT, doubled to 70 something....my poor liver. It'll bounce back, right? Off to call the acupuncturist tomorrow - not sure what else there is I can do.

    RBC, WBC, still within normal range, but the bone marrow just isn't producing those little suckers the way it needs to. The oncology nurse said not to worry about it until they get in the low range, but I feel like it's a problem I can see coming....I don't like the trend.

    Do you all look at your labs? I'm just in the habit because of years of helping to care for my niece who has a rare liver disease; one off lab isn't worth freaking out over, but trends, that's what we watch out for.
  • aimster1123
    aimster1123 Member Posts: 200
    edited July 2007
    Hi girls,

    I feel like crap today-to be expected. I'm not doing Marinol right now, just hitting the demand dose on my pump a little more often.

    Amya, YES, I always look at my labs and try to compare them with the other ones. I think it's fun, and reassuring somehow.

    Sammie, glad you came over! It would be great to have a fellow person going through a similar regimen--I'm doing FEC X6, (just had tx #4 on Thursday) but I think most of the others are moving on from AC to T now. So feel free to stay and commiserate with me.

    Amy
  • SammieKB
    SammieKB Member Posts: 177
    edited July 2007
    Thanks for the warm welcome.
    Hmmm..is this the Amy board. LOL...a few of you guys.
    I will have 4 doses of FAC. I have one more to go. Thatwill be July 24th. Chemo to me is kinda like having my babies. The first labor I didn't know any better. By my fourth child I didn't want to go near a delivery room because I know what happens in there. LOL...Same with this 4th chemo. I don't want to do it. But I will get through it. Many of you have more doses than I and I am being a "wuss" about it. I am realizing that this chemo sticks around awhile, even tho you are through. I finished Taxol in May and I am still losing fingernails and toenails.
    It helps to visit hear and find others going through what I am going through.
    I hope you, both Amys, are feeling better today.
    I was dx'd in Oct. I had a lumpectomy in Nov., being told I had a 1.2 cm ductal carcinoma and wouldn't need anything but rads. Then after pathology was dx'd with 4.5cm invasive lobular carcinoma and they didn't get clearmargins. I needed mastectomy and chemo and poss. rads. I had surgery in Dec. and started chemo in Feb.
    Take care everyone. HOpe this is a good weekend for all. Hugs to all, Sammie Kay.
  • lizzzy
    lizzzy Member Posts: 285
    edited July 2007
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    Liz, has either doctor been able to tell you pros and cons for each decions, and why they reommend the one they do? That might help you come to some clarity.
    Amy




    I've gotten some brief responses on this, but not satisfied that I really understand whether there is some clear benefit to either. My surgeon is now saying he would be ok with doing surgery now if my mri shows good improvement. I'm starting to think I would like to get the surgery out of the way--get the cancer out and all that--and also get a break from the chemo for a bit.

    I'm glad to be done with the A/C but I'm experiencing a little more nausea this time than before. Good news is that I should be better in a day or two judging by past experience.

    Hope you feel better soon!
  • lizzzy
    lizzzy Member Posts: 285
    edited July 2007
    Welcome Sammie Kay,

    I wasn't looking forward to treatment 4 either, but I was excited to be done with the A/C! I'm having a little more nausea with this one, but overall not as bad as the first two.
  • SammieKB
    SammieKB Member Posts: 177
    edited July 2007
    Liz,
    Hope you are feeling better. I can't wait to get my last chemo overwith. I would go this week if I could. It will be the following week. I feel like they poison me every time they give me the chemo. I guess essentially they are. But thank God for something to fight cancer. This is a good weekend for me. SE are subsiding. And next weekend will be the one before chemo, so it is usually good as well. Warm thoughts to you. Sammie Kay.
  • aimster1123
    aimster1123 Member Posts: 200
    edited July 2007
    Hey girls,

    Just checking in. This 4th tx is kicking my butt, totally. I don't even want to think about having 2 more! UGH! This is the first time I couldn't muster getting to church on the Sunday after tx. It was all I could do to pick out my kids clothes for them and do Lillie's hair before they left. Now I'm back in my bed again. I guess this is what they mean by the "cumulative effect" of chemo, huh? I hope 5 and 6 aren't hugely worse. OK, I'll stop thinking about that and worry about it later, right?

    Sammie, I totally know what you mean about chemo and knowing what to expect now. I've never been in labor (both my kids are adopted) but I was blissfully unaware before chemo #1 and now I dread it like the plague.

    Amya, are you hanging in there?

    Hey LeeAnne, I forgot to ask--do you continue to shave your head now, or is it all smoothy-bald on its own? You look very hip.

    Amy
  • Lorain
    Lorain Member Posts: 68
    edited July 2007
    I had my first Taxol last Wednesday. I definitely am having bone aches! Makes it tough to sleep...so I'm using valium. Sure hope it doesn't continue...but it's still better than A/C.

    Amy, what drug will you be getting for your next series...Taxol? Can't remember. Hope it'll treat you better.

    Still haven't lost my eyebrows and eyelashes and hoping not to!

    Lorain
  • chumfry
    chumfry Member Posts: 642
    edited July 2007
    My eyelashes and eyebrows hung in there all during my dose dense AC x4 and Taxol x4 in 2005, then they ALL abandoned ship a month after my chemo was all finished! Shriek! I had read that that happens to some people, so I didn't freak out *too* badly. But it was still a shock.

    The good news is that they grew back really quickly. Within two weeks,I could see rows of little baby eyelashes all lined up like soldiers marching home. I don't know if the same thing will happen this time, since I'm on weekly Taxol/Carboplatin, but they haven't fallen out yet!

    My eyebrows are very sparse to start with, but I found there is a big difference between few eyebrows and no eyebrows! Soap gets in your eyes more in the shower! And I found that dust and stuff gets in your eyes more when you don't have eyelashes. Duh.
  • lnmshoes
    lnmshoes Member Posts: 17
    edited July 2007
    HI all, had my first Taxol on Thursday with Neulasta on Friday. Friday I woke feeling great - no nausea! Saturday I woke feeling good too but by the end of the day I was experiencing serious aches in my lower back and down my legs. Didn't sleep very well last night, trying to take Ibuprofen today. I tried going for a walk but didn't get too far. Hopefully this won't last too long.
    I haven't lost my eyebrows or lashes yet and was hoping that they will stay - the onc said I had a good chance that I won't lose them now that the A/C is done. We will see.
    Have a great rest of the weekend.
  • PDXLeeAnne
    PDXLeeAnne Member Posts: 119
    edited July 2007
    Amy, thanks for saying I look hip with my naked head! I am still shaving it as the stubs hurt. Every two weeks it seems more stubble comes out, but there's still lots there. I noticed my legs had little blond hairs and I had to shave them! I suppose once I am complete done with all chemo I'll have to stop shaving my head and let it do what it's going to do... maybe by then it will have truly all fallen out!

    I was prescribed giant Motrins (800 mg) for bone pain from the Taxol so have been taking those. Even with the meds I can feel pains but as has been the case all along, none of the joint aches or bone pain is any worse than menstrual pain I've experienced! I feel somewhat more with it mentally this round, as I'm not having to take any anti-nausea meds. I have the usual dizziness/weakness/fatigue though, and have been on the couch all weekend. Can't remember if I wrote you all on Friday, that I'd had an awesome day of being OUT and walking and shopping all day. Gotta love the residual effects of steroids!

    Other than fatigue and some body pain the only other side effect so far is the mild burning sensation on my palms and soles of my feet. I think it's going away already, but I assume it will come back each round.

    Its really interesting to me how different our docs deal with our side effects as far as meds. Think its a regional thing? Seems we all have different prescriptions. Valium would be WAY more fun than mega-Motrin, that's for sure!

    If you read a lot, and want a very light but amusing author (pretty much perfect post-chemo reading, IMO) check out Marian Keyes, the chick-lit queen of Ireland.

    Hugs to all,
    LeeAnne
  • aimster1123
    aimster1123 Member Posts: 200
    edited July 2007
    Hi Lorain,

    No drug changes for me--just 6 cycles of FEC. This last was my 4th, so 2 more to go. It can't be over soon enough, I'll tell ya! After that I have rads--not sure how much yet--and then 5 years of tamoxifen or something similar.

    Amy
  • SammieKB
    SammieKB Member Posts: 177
    edited July 2007
    Thought I would offer my experience. I lost eyebrows and eyelashes very gradually after starting FAC. Lost hair with Taxol. Now I am one dose away from being through with all chemo, I have eyelashes coming in and a few stubbly eyebrow hairs.
    I have no idea about my head. It has gray fuzzy hairs. From what I hear on my other thread, most of those girls are beginning to get something beside this gray mess. They are getting like a man's 5 o'clock shadow on their heads. I am patiently waiting. But according to my calculations I don't expect any hair until 70 days after last chemo. Then it will probably take 6 months for any appreciable hair to appear. Patience called for, once again. I am learning alot about patience on this journey.
    Hope you are all having a nice weekend. Just resting and reading, watching movies. Very low key. Hugs to all, Sammie Kay
  • chemo072
    chemo072 Member Posts: 682
    edited July 2007
    Hey LeeAnne, was thinking about you wondering how the taxol was going. I personally take dilaudid, but I have chronic pain problems plus 800 mg motrin plays havoc on my stomach. I'm surprised that it works....glad it does!

    Re: the mild burning sensation, ice packs can help... but then I'm the one who developed hand-foot syndrome, the oncologist who has been practicing in the office for a long time said he's only seen it due to AC/T maybe 5 times in his whole career (20 years I think). However, the hydrocortisone IV shot helped me

    Also, for taxol, my onc has me taking 30 grams of L glutamine a day.

    Sammie - I met someone who has a gorgeous head of hair (short) 4.5 months after chemo.

    Aimster - sorry you were too ill to make it to church today...(read your care page)...hope things look up soon!
  • kimvidito
    kimvidito Member Posts: 105
    edited July 2007
    Hi everyone
    I'm sorry to hear that some of you are feeling so bad. The cumulutive effect on all of us is really showing now. I had my last FEC 12 days ago and this is the first day that I feel well. I have had nausea all along and not able to get around very much. I have so much anxiety (or is it menopause) lately. I can't even think about my next tx or I feel sick. I get 3 rounds of taxotere next. Anyone out there getting this and is it a little better than FEC. I feel so awful this time and I want to QUIT!!!! I am seeing a therapist and she is helping me cope with everything. I guess I must go on to get rid of the cancer.
    Prayers for all of you
    Kim
  • kimvidito
    kimvidito Member Posts: 105
    edited July 2007
    Oh I forgot to ask. Did any of you have breast pain during TX. Both breast feel tender. MENOPAUSE?
    Thanks KIM
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2007
    Hi everyone,

    How was your weekend - sounds like most everyone laid low! It is very hot here (especially for this part of the world) but I managed to get in my hiking trip! We did about 6 hours of hiking on Saturday (only mild elevation gains) but it still felt like work! The heat probably made it seem harder than it was too! I was just so grateful to be able to hike and enjoy the amazing mountains and the company of some fine women!

    Today I have my consult with the radiology oncologist. I met with my surgeon last week and go for my final surgery on September 6th. I assume I will have around 30 rads so by my calculations, I should be done treatment by about the middle to the end of November. I am planning a celebratory trip for the first week of December to either southern California, Florida or Mexico! I HATE flying so I always take into consideration how long the flight is and how many stops we have to make as take off is the absolute worst for me! Sigh ...I love to travel but have this fear of flying. Well, it's not that I hate flying - it's the crashing that bothers me!! I'm just kidding, I know how safe air travel is- believe me - I even used to work for an airline but for some reason I find flying terrifying! I have even undergone therapy to help (and it did) but it's still a struggle to get on a plane! I think I may try some Ativan this time!

    Well, this is my good week where I feel mostly normal. My eyebrows and lashes are thin but hanging in there - I don't think they'll last through 2 more treatments, but you never know! (Fingers crossed) I was told I wouldn't lose them but we'll see.

    Sammie Kay - welcome to the group!
    Liz - how goes the running?
    LeeAnne - hope those Taxol SE's are gone!
    AmyA - hope you're doing well
    Aimster - only 2 more to go but like you, I don't think too much about that because it seems like you wonder how the hell to get through tx4 let alone 2 more!!!
    Mary, CindyMN, Lorain - hope you're all doing well.

    I am STILL waiting for my buffs - I will definitely have to call today and find out what gives - that was at least 3 weeks ago!! I am so sick of my scarf selection...I want my hair back!!

    Have a great Monday everyone!
    Mandy
  • aimster1123
    aimster1123 Member Posts: 200
    edited July 2007
    Hi girls,

    I'm on txday 5, and still feel like crap. I had big plans for working on my Ebay store today, but right now I think I'm just going to watch a DVD! Martin is at work, and kids are at a sitters, so the house is still and calm. Maybe later I can do a little "work". I don't think I've mentioned my store--It's called "Through the Wardrobe" and I sell children's clothing and shoes on EBay. It's closed right now, so you can only see my storefront, not my inventory. But after I'm done with chemo I'll have a grand re-opening! Hooray for spending money! Right now I'm just working slowly but surely on getting all my items listed. I sell stuff that is new with tags and also all my own kids outgrown stuff. I love doing it, and it makes their wardrobes free to boot.

    Mandy, I'm with you, I want my hair back now. I feel like Uncle Fester when I look in the mirror. Ugh.

    Does anybody else feel like their skin is more yellow than usual? Just wondering if that's another SE, or if I'm imagining it.

    Kim, I had the sore boobs thing too, and was thinking it was menopause, and then all of a sudden my period came about 3 weeks late. It was kind of a wierd period, but it was definitely there. I thought I was done with those for now, but I guess they can still crop up.

    All for now, girls, need to get completely horizontal for a bit.

    Amy
  • aimster1123
    aimster1123 Member Posts: 200
    edited July 2007

    Hey Amya, forgot to say thanks for reading my carepage! That's really sweet of you.

  • PDXLeeAnne
    PDXLeeAnne Member Posts: 119
    edited July 2007
    Amy, what's the address of your carepage? I'll read it if I can find it!

    Have any of you been told how much time you have between your last chemo and starting radiation? I'm thinking about booking a spa weekend somewhere... don't know if my immune system will be up for flying that soon though.

    The bone/joint pain continues and this is day 5. The big Motrins just cut it enough to get by. I'm verrrrrrry slowly getting it together to go into work today for a couple of hours. Fatigue and all that seem to not be quite so bad but I don't want to get over-hopeful...

    Hugs,
    LeeAnne
  • SammieKB
    SammieKB Member Posts: 177
    edited July 2007
    Thanks for the encouragement about hair growth post-chemo.
    That should give me some nice hair for Thanksgiving.LOL
    I put mascara on my little short blonde eyelashes today and they look great.:) I didn't have to use eyeliner on my "bald" eyelids. yea!!!!
    I want hair now too. I have a question for everyone, especially if you have had bil. mast. and also maybe a few pounds (20 or so) overweight: I feel like my airpits are "full" and my arms don't fit right on my body. I don't know if this is because not having breast tissue pulling outward from the chest allows that tissue to kind of flop back there. I was just curious if anyone else has had this feeling?
    It is comforting to know my feelings are "normal". I get that from reading your posts. Thank you for being here. I hope you are all doing as well as you can under the circumstances. Hugs, Sammie Kay
  • aimster1123
    aimster1123 Member Posts: 200
    edited July 2007
    Hey guys,

    Forgot to mention that I had the optioncare people come both on Saturday AND Sunday to give me fluids at home, and I really do think it helped. So if anybody's ever debating that option (Sue/Susan, are you still lurking?) it's definitely worth looking into. No miracle cure, but it picked me up a little last night.

    Amy
  • lizzzy
    lizzzy Member Posts: 285
    edited July 2007
    Hey Mandy,

    My running is slow since my A/C #4. I'm trying to get up the energy to go run right now.

    If you come to So Cal we should get together!

    And I'm still waiting for my buff too. I even sent them an email already which someone responded too saying that they would look into it, but I haven't heard anything more since then.

    I'm on day 6 of my A/C #4 as I said, and I'm feeling better. The nausea was definitely a little worse this time but I'm over it now so it should be all downhill from here. I'm supposed to get an MRI before we decide next step in my treatment. I'm either going to have my 4 taxols or go in for my mastectomy--neither of which I'm looking forward to. But I am excited that the A/C is over with.
  • punkinfish
    punkinfish Member Posts: 27
    edited July 2007
    Heh !!
    I don't post a lot here but read constantly. It has been such a tremendous help to me thru all of this. I had my last (yipee) A/C a week ago today. It was really rough for me each tx, getting worse as it went along. I can't stand the site of my crystal lite raspberry ice anymore as the color reminds me of the "red devil" and I can just hurl thinking about it. I get my first taxol the 30th of this month, every 3 weeks. I hope this next half is a little easier than the A/C but I know there's a new set of possible SE's to look forward to. But I'll press on and like my father told me (lost him to lung cancer 2 years ago April) you always do what you have to do. And this is something I have to do...and will. We all will. We're stronger than we think.
    Marilyn
  • chemo072
    chemo072 Member Posts: 682
    edited July 2007
    Anyone else had their liver enzymes go up? My ALT doubled, from 31 (the high end of the range) to 77....the trend had been slightly high (37, 41, 39) to normal, and now this...

    ALT is a marker of cell death, of liver injury... the ALP is starting to go high as well. Will this resolve once chemo stops??? I hope!
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2007
    Welcome Marilyn - I'm sorry about your father. I hope Taxol treats you better than the AC. A lot of the ladies in this group are getting into the Taxols now too - so you're in good company!

    Amy - I never even get to see my lab reports! (I think that is a difference here in Canada...we are less in the loop with our physicians - I don't possess a copy of my pathology report or anything - maybe it's just me? ) I hope you get it all figured out and the numbers settled into where they are supposed to be!

    I saw my radiologist yesterday - a nice man. I will go for 30 rounds (25 with 5 boosts) So, it looks like I will begin rads in mid October and be all done by the end of November. I don't like the sounds of the SE's - I will have a permanent scar on the top corner of my left lung (yikes) and of course he told me about the increased risk of cancer in that area (isn't that what rads are trying to PREVENT??? ) but he means in 15 or more years. He says it's usually not a problem because the women they treat are usually older but since I'm (only!) 42, he said my "life expectancy is decades" (I LOVED the sound of that!! ) he thought I should be aware of it! I wonder if when all this is behind me if I will be able to really put it past me and not be paranoid for the rest of my (hopefully long) life? I wonder if any of us will? Oh well, there I go getting ahead of myself again! If there is one thing I've learned from this journey - it's to stay in the present!

    Right now it's another hot day here in Alberta, I feel good, I go on vacation in a week, I'm going to the FIFA world cup semi final soccer match tomorrow night and life is good!

    The only little thing I need to whine about is the construction that has begun DIRECTLY OUTSIDE OUR HOUSE! They are putting in a huge sewer overflow holding tank (or something like that?) A few years ago we had some flash flooding in our neighbourhood and there were LOTS of insurance claims for cars submerged, basements damaged, etc. so the city's solution is to build this thing. Unfortunately we have no say in the matter! I woke up to some really wretched sounds at 7am this morning - the grader/cat thing was being scraped along the pavement (imagine nails on a blackboard only 10X worse!) and when it was slamming down onto the concrete - even my bed shook! (It's been awhile since MY bed's been shaking!! ha ha) We can't park in our garage or even use our back gate for at least 2 MONTHS!!! I can't even say that we'll benefit from this if we ever get another terrible storm because our house is built up on a bit of a hill and we had absolutley no water in our house whatsoever...oh well, our neighbours will be happy! I was at least hoping for some construction male eye candy...hmmm - maybe I'll have to go check this out!!

    Anyways, that's it for me (this was a long one!!)

    Happy Tuesday everyone!
    Mandy
  • aimster1123
    aimster1123 Member Posts: 200
    edited July 2007
    Hey girls,

    Amya, I don't know anything about the liver counts, but I saw the answers to your other posts about it--hopefully it will even itself out. Call your onc if it will give you peace of mind, though, OK? That's what they're there for!

    Mandy, fun with the construction! I'm like you, sometimes I try to think ahead to the post-treatment phase, and wonder how I will feel. Will I worry about recurrence, or just be glad to put it all behind me and move on? Time will tell, and probably some of both, I would guess.

    Well, I got the anti-nausea pump taken off today, which means I can take a completely submersive bath!!!! YAY!!!! That's where I'm headed in a few minutes. Nausea isn't too bad right now, and I'm a little bit hungry, even. Not everything sounds good, but I'm definitely moving in the right direction. Right now I have about 10 minutes worth of energy before I need to rest again. The kids are with a friend today, so I'm just throwing in a load of laundry with my 10-minute spurts, and then resting some more.

    Hope everybody's hanging in there. I'll sure be glad when I have 2 more of these behind me. Positives, though, are that I'm getting all my store inventory into my Ebay store, little by little, and plan to re-open September 1. That will be fun!

    Amy
  • lwy
    lwy Member Posts: 153
    edited July 2007
    amya- my ALT bounces around from normal to up to 110 with the chemo. I wouldn't worry too much about it. that is definately from the chemo. When you say ALP do you mean the alk phos? That can be from 1 of 2 sources, the liver or the bone. I would just watch the trend and as long as it is not steadily increasing and rapidly, I wouldn't worry too much. Is your bilirubin normal?
    These drugs do all kinds of things to our liver. I was freaked out when I first got my LFTs prior to starting chemo and my alt was 44(just barely above normal) but when they drew it again 2 weeks later it was normal.
  • chemo072
    chemo072 Member Posts: 682
    edited July 2007
    yes, ALP is alk phos...

    ....good to know your ALT bounces around too!
    Bilirubin is normal.

    labs, most recent to oldest:
    ALT: 77, 31, 39, 41, 37 (0-31)
    so, it's only been "normal" once, but still hovering in a similar range...hopefully it'll drop back down next time

    Thanks Iwy....I do worry too much, I try not to but then I get these nagging questions....

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