Prophylactic bi-mastectomy scheduled, terrified

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AnneMomof4
AnneMomof4 Member Posts: 25
edited June 2018 in Breast Reconstruction
Hi all. I am having a prophylactic bilateral mastectomy with expanders on August 10, 2007. LCIS was found during a May, 2007 breast reduction. Big history of BRCAII (I don't carry it but my dad does) and sister with BC---supposedly unrelated to my LCIS. I am terrified about recovery with four young kids, afraid of the drains. I am usually one tough chick but am entering the angry/frightened phase now. I am absolutely sure I am doing the right things with the right surgeons at The Cleveland Clinic so no fears there---just nervous about it all. I have the lists of what to bring and a few friends who have has mastectomies but not bilateral. Any advice?

Anne

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2007

    I only had one mast, but when friends and family left me and I was being wheeled into the surgery, I almost jumped off the table and RAN!!!!! I was told by the nurse just before going into the OR that I could have a shot that would work quickly to relieve ny anxiety. She said the nurses could have given it to me before my support team left. If I had known that I would have been able to sail through the surgery as I, too, knew I was doing the right thing. Hugs to you and a little prayer ... you'll be OK.

  • AnnieBird55
    AnnieBird55 Member Posts: 122
    edited July 2007
    Hi Anne,
    I had a bilat mast 4/16/07 and recon. I am about 75% of the way on the road to recon right now.

    Being angry and terrified is normal. Posting and here and asking questions is smart. So, I am betting you will be just fine.

    However, even tough chicks need to know when to ask for help and just let things go. You have 4 kids so I am guessing you may need some help.

    Driving: All moms have driving demands. You most likely will not be able to safely manage a steering wheel for at least 8-10 days. Of course you doctor will tell you that you cannot drive until you are off the narcotic pain meds.
    When you start driving, start small (local trips). So ...plan ahead with family of friends the driving needs of your kids.

    Drains: No need to be terrified if them. They are an annoyance and that is about it. They look sort of weird.
    It really varies with the patient when they will be removed. On thing I found very convenient was an around the neck strap (like what nurses use to hang their IDs) to attached the drains to because the safety pins attached to clothing tugs your shirt/cami/hospital_gown down.

    Pain: You have had 4 children, so I suspect you will think a mastecomy is not too painful. Armpits being sore seem to be the biggest complaint. The pain lessened noticeably every day with me. The expanders will likely be the primary source of the pain; so know that the pain is a sign that you are on the way to recon.

    I do remember being very scared in pre-op. I recall a big anxiety attack. It was not so much mastectomy...but just the idea of being put under ...scared of surgery. I do not like anesthesia. When the anestheisiologist came in to introduce himself to me...I begged him for something to relax me (I had an IV by that time). He put something in the IV ...and whatever it was, it did the trick.
    ==> So, do not be afraid to ask for something to relax you pre-op. There really is no need to be stoic (& freaking out!).

    Waiting for surgery now too is tough - hang in there. Maybe cook a few meals and freeze them so you will have meals for your 4 while you are recovering.

    God bless and good luck,
    Anne
  • Jenny812
    Jenny812 Member Posts: 160
    edited July 2007
    Anne,
    I had a bilateral mastectomy with immediate DIEP about 3 weeks ago. It's the reconstruction that makes the surgery difficult - not the actual mastectomy. Expander surgery is easier than the tissue transfer so some of the gals with that experience should pipe in. I wouldn't worry about the drains - they're just an annoyance. Nothing to be afraid of. Just empty and record. My advice is to make sure you have enough help at home. I'm sure you figured out what you want to tell the kids. Also, my friends really helped - they're still bringing me dinner.
    Best of luck.
    Jenny J.
  • tam1953
    tam1953 Member Posts: 237
    edited July 2007

    I had a bil mast with TRAM recopnstruction 4//24/07. I was also very frightened. For me, the hardest part was waiting. I had a ocmplicated diagnostic process, lumpectomy without clean margins, etc. Once that was over, the actual mastecomy wasn't as bad as I thought. I had also overestimated how difficult it would be psychologically. I've adjusted very well post op. Line up as much help as you can for the post op period at home. The thing that helped me through the most was repeating to myself over and over. "Other women have gotten through this and I can too." You will also get through it. Best wishes. Tam

  • MaryGirl
    MaryGirl Member Posts: 201
    edited July 2007
    Anne,

    Take comfort in the fact that your current anxiety is normal. It's hell waiting for a surgery like this. If you need anti-anxiety meds or sleeping aids in the coming weeks, I'd recommend talking to your surgeon about it. At the very least get a sleeping pill for the night before surgery so that you go into it well-rested. They're used to dealing with these pre-surgery jitters and should be able to help you out.

    Mary
  • skeetur
    skeetur Member Posts: 65
    edited July 2007
    I had bilateral mastectomies with expander implants on 3/2/2007. I just had my swapout surgery last week where the expanders were replaced with silicone implants.

    For the bilateral mastectomies, I had an On-Q pain pump. It is a ball that is in a backpack and it had a tiny tiny cathether into each breast. It applied localized pain meds into each breast for 5 days. Since I had it, I cannot say what the pain would be without it but I can tell you that my pain level did increase a bit when it ran out. Made me appreciate it.

    The drains were an inconvenience more than being painful. With the backpack for the On-Q pump, I could clip them onto that. They did not hurt being pulled out either - just felt strange.

    For me, and this is my experience only... I was uncomfortable for about 3-3.5 weeks. My chest muscles ached from the expanders which were put in with about 100 ccs of fluid in them so I did not wake up flat.

    I took the bandages off when allowed and did well with seeing the results. It was nice not being completely flat.

    I wasn't allowed to shower til the drains came out but I was able to bend over the kitchen sink to wash my hair. My chest didn't touch the edge of the counter so it was fine. I had a pillow in a trash bag in case I needed something soft there but without worked fine. Then I'd put the backpack around my waist and sponge bath my upper body at the bathroom sink. Then I'd take the backpack and put it around my neck and hook the drains on it and I got into the regular shower (with a handheld shower head) and washed the lower part of my body. It took quite a while to do all of that but it always feels good to be clean.

    I had my first fill a few weeks after surgery and it didn't bother me at all. I felt some tightness as the skin stretched but for me... little or no pain. I had 2 more fills 2 weeks apart and I was done with fills. I then had to wait one month for exchange.

    The exchange surgery went easily. I was rolled in at 8:00 am. Saw the clock in recovery at 9:30 am and was home by 11:00. No drains from that at all since they normally aren't messing with much tissue.

    I'm allowed to wear regular bras now. At just over one week post-exchange... I'm not allowed to do anything "bouncy bouncy" per my surgeon. LOL. So no running, jogging, high impact aerobics, etc - not that I wanted to do any of those.

    I think overall the reality of the surgery was no where near what I had expected.

    Good luck to you, Kathy
  • PetVet
    PetVet Member Posts: 32
    edited July 2007
    I had bilateral mastectomies with expander surgery 9 days ago. Don't be terrified. I have been surprised how well things have gone. I had high grade DCIS in my right breast and my left breast turned out to have some atypical changes that they found during pathology. As far as how well things have progressed: I had surgery on Thursday afternoon (was out of the OR at 4:30 p.m. I spent the night in the hospital and went home Friday afternoon. They didn't have to push me out the door...(I was ready to go!) My PS injected about 100 mls in each expander during surgery. When I woke up from surgery I definitely felt pressure on my sternum. No nausea from surgery. Ate a partial dinner Thursday night. I had an On-Q pain pump in place over the weekend and that was taken out on the Monday after surgery. I was able to go off hydrocodone (prescription pain medication) by Saturday night/Sunday morning following surgery.

    I requested that my PS use something called "Alloderm" on the lower third of each breast for added support (even though I'm not that big (was a "B" prior to surgery).

    The one thing I learned that I think everyone should ask for prior to a sentinel node biopsy is a cream called "EMLA". It's 2.5% lidocaine and 2.5% prilocaine cream. I put it on my breast 1.5-2 hours prior to surgery and put saran wrap over my breast because it needs an occlusive dressing to work. When the doctor did the isotope injection I DIDN'T FEEL IT!! I had been told that this was a painful part of the whole process. The technician and doctor were very impressed and want to make it part of the normal pre-SNB procedure.

    I had my drains out two days ago (which I thought was painful) and am having my first expansion next Friday.

    The worst part of the whole thing has been not being able to take a shower until the drains came out. Also, you will definitely not be able to lift or press down on anything for at least several weeks. (Another thing I have problems with is opening heavy doors.) You'll need help lifting if you have children.

    Hope this helps! Nine days out and I feel pretty darn good.
  • AnneMomof4
    AnneMomof4 Member Posts: 25
    edited July 2007
    Thank you, thank you, thank you all. It feels so much better to hear your hints and strategies for dealing with all of this.

    God bless,
    Anne
  • MaryGirl
    MaryGirl Member Posts: 201
    edited July 2007
    Anne,

    I've been on this board for 10 months, and the overwhelming majority say that the surgery/recovery wasn't nearly as bad as they feared. But the waiting is tough.

    Get some help with the kids for a week or so, and you'll be okay. Definitely talk with your doc about lifting and other restrictions so you can plan ahead.

    Mary
  • bisous3
    bisous3 Member Posts: 116
    edited July 2007
    I had my PBM (Alloderm One Step) on 5/25 and I join the others in saying it wasn't nearly as bad as I thought it would be. I was teaching dance class 2 weeks later.
    The worst was one hour before....I almost bolted. The waiting was agonizing. I was scheduled for surgery at noon and the Drs didn't get there till 1:30ish. They couldn;t give me anything to relax and I was needlessly making myself nuts!
    Best of luck to you....
  • lvtwoqlt
    lvtwoqlt Member Posts: 6,162
    edited July 2007
    I had PBM on June 1 with the recon expanders. As the others said the time between April 27 (diagnosis of dcis right) and the time of surgery was like going through hell. I was second guessing myself if I was doing the right thing. (ADH in both breast 2 times past two years). The morning of surgery was so hectic that I did not have time to get nervous. Came through with flying colors. Nurses in recovery room said that I told them I don't feel as bad as I had expected to. I came out with 4 drains (two on each side), and 200 cc in my expanders.
    my PS removed 1 drain from each side 1 week after surgery and the remaining 2 a week later, he also removed the sutures and gave me a 60cc fill. the fills are more of an inconvience, feeling the tight pressure after each fill for about 4-5 days just in time to go back in for more.
    Find some soft front-closure sports/leisure bras. they are the best thing to wear after surgery.

    Just re-read your first comment. I had surgery in Cleveland Clinic in 1971, they were great then, and they are still one of the best clinics in Ohio.
  • Calico
    Calico Member Posts: 1,108
    edited July 2007
    Anne,
    I applaud your decision.
    I had it done too, I am naturally terrified. Yes the expanders cause pain, take your meds on shedule.
    With 4 kids it is good to have somebody help you.
    Will you have radiation? If so, make sure you are expanded first.
    I was allowed to shower with drains.

    God Bless
  • cheekymonkey
    cheekymonkey Member Posts: 86
    edited July 2007
    Hi Anne! I too, applaud your decision as I am 10 days out from a right prophylactic mast and lat flap recon with expander.
    I thought I was just getting a proph. mastectomy, but came to find out that the breast they removed was filled with pre-cancerous cells that would have become cancer within the next two years. My oncologist AND my surgeon were practically jumping for joy that they caught this early and removed it. I can't tell you what a relief it was to hear this. My sister just had a recurrence, and it's been really hard for her up to this point.
    I would MUCH rather have a mastectomy and whatever goes with it, than go through that again.

    I was supposed to have a bi-lateral reconstruction, but because of mix-ups, ended up with just the right breast. I have to say that from what I heard from the nurses, and the experience I now have recovering from this last surgery, I'm very happy that I did not have the bi-lateral. I'm at least able to do things with my left arm (lifting, carrying, etc....limited, but I can do SOMETHING). I don't know how women do it at the same time. I can barely stop myself from doing things with my right arm, and I have my sister and husband here to help, and I have no kids.

    My sister being here has been the biggest godsend of all. Even though she has been in severe pain from her tumor, she has been able to drive me to my doctor appointments, grocery shopping, and even to a movie last night! I plan on going back to help her through her chemo, which is the very least I could do for her since I love her so much.

    As far as the physical symptoms for me....I can't stand my drain, but it's the one in my back from my latissimus flap. It hurts! (but controllable with pain meds). My first two from my mastectomy were removed within days of leaving the hospital. I'm not sure why some drain more than others (I'll have to post it in the forum!)
    I have been able to shower with my drains (even did it in the hospital with the nurse's blessing). Other than that, the expander is uncomfortable, but necessary (like the drains). I'll grin and bear it!
    My next surgery for my transfer and my left breast (hopefully DIEP this time) is for November 5. It will be a rough week, but hopefully I'll be able to use my right hand this time and give my new left breast time to heal.

    Good luck to you, and let us know if you have any other questions! Let us know how you are doing, too. I'm sure since you've armed yourself with so much knowledge, you will make the absolute best decision possible.

    xoxoxoxo,

    mitzi
  • lvtwoqlt
    lvtwoqlt Member Posts: 6,162
    edited July 2007

    wtih my bi-lat I just did what I had to do. My husband is a long-haul trucker and was there for 2 days after release from hospital to help me out and my mother (6 yr survivor single mast)came by every day for 2 weeks to check on me and help with the house work. One thing I had to do was learn how to open child-proof caps again. I could not open the bottles except by placing it on the table and using body weight to press down. Better ask for non-child proof caps and keep medicine bottles out of children's reach.

  • Elijahgirl
    Elijahgirl Member Posts: 158
    edited June 2018

    Hi everyone I love this site! I will also be having the PBM w/ DIEP on August 7, it has been a process just getting the date. My pre op appointment is 26 July, my question would be what are some things I should ask at that appointment? What should I take with me to the hospital, and have after my surgery. I don’t like the side effects of the anesthesia. I was told to expect to be in surgery several hours. And what is the average hospital stay with a PBM/DIEP

  • Lula73
    Lula73 Member Posts: 1,824
    edited June 2018

    Elijah girl-remind me where you’re having DIEP again?


  • Elijahgirl
    Elijahgirl Member Posts: 158
    edited June 2018

    University Hospital UT Health San

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