Flaxseed (again) and ER+/PR+
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Lhunhen
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I know we have gone over this before but I was wondering if anyone found any new information or studies on Flaxseeds and ER+/PR+ BC.
These are two things I found, not new, but makes me wonder if it's ok to take Flaxseeds if your ER+/PR+.
http://www.grouppekurosawa.com/nutrition.htm
Make sure you look at the links here for the actual study's.
The statment in the above is very intersting. "A Single Flax Seed Muffin Per Day Reduces Her2 Expression by 71% in Women With Breast Cancer After Only 32 Days." I am also HER2+ so this got my interest.
This is a 2005 study but bears re-reading.
http://www.world-wire.com/news/0729050001.html
Cathy
These are two things I found, not new, but makes me wonder if it's ok to take Flaxseeds if your ER+/PR+.
http://www.grouppekurosawa.com/nutrition.htm
Make sure you look at the links here for the actual study's.
The statment in the above is very intersting. "A Single Flax Seed Muffin Per Day Reduces Her2 Expression by 71% in Women With Breast Cancer After Only 32 Days." I am also HER2+ so this got my interest.
This is a 2005 study but bears re-reading.
http://www.world-wire.com/news/0729050001.html
Cathy
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I've been eating flaxseed and yogurt for breakfast for over a month now. The links you provided reinforce my decision.
At the time I was reading the Wisdom of Menopause, which includes a chapter on food. Flaxseed is a good source of omega-3 fatty acids. My previous thread about this lists the indicators of a deficiency of these acids. That was my primary motivator to try flaxseed. I sincerely hope it's true that flaxseed battles cancer also. -
In the first link I'd be curious to know how exactly they measured the cell growth index for breast cancer in these women as well as measure the decrease in their HER2 receptor status. How did they take these measurements on each of these patients?
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As I recall, when I first read the story, they had the measurement of the tumor from the biopsy, then there is the usual wait till the full excision, approximately 30 days, and from what I read the tumors didn't grow any for those eating flax during the 30 day study.
The story could be getting enhanced.
CONCLUSION: Dietary flaxseed has the potential to reduce tumor growth in patients with breast cancer.
The above is from the study, so what does that mean exactly? It reduced the size of the tumor or stopped the growth?
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I know nothing about the subject.Flaxseed totally turns me off.It's linseed oil, and with the amount I've "eaten" off the handles of paintbrushes, I should never have gotten bc .
I just came to make sure everyone knows that the actual flax SEEDS are indigestable.They pass through digestive tracts whole.To get benefit they must be ground.(People suggest keeping a special coffee grinder for this.)
Reason I mention it is PLENTY of allegedly healthful food "CONTAINING FLAXSEED!" , breads, muffins, cereals, have whole flaxseeds visable.Part of the whole grains thing, but badly researched, and waste of $. -
Joan,
That's very true. Whenever I see whole flaxseeds in cereals and such, I wonder what their thinking. We'd have to have the best grinding teeth on this planet to get any nutrients out of them. In reality, people just don't know and the companies get away with it.
How much of that linseed oil you figured you consumed? I had my share, painted a very long fence with it years ago. It use to be the thing to do. -
Did you really?Protective for the wood probably?
I painted a picket fence white once.horrible, horrible job.Who knew every picket has ****4**** sides?Those little narrow sides look like hell if they're not painted.Felt like Tom Sawyer.
I was a painter most of life (oils, landscape/still life).I had a way of popping a brush handle into my mouth , between my teeth, to hold while I quickly did something else.Mostly smudging lines with my fingers.So my fingers, and brushes were always carrying oil paint and linseed oil.
Not a good taste.
When I bought my first bottle of FLAXSEED oil, to drizzle on salad...imagine my horror when I got that old taste again.
The other thing about linseed oil is it tastes REALLY awful the older it gets, and it ages FAST.Ewwwwww. -
I've heard that flaxseed oil is not good for you. because of the contraversy on flax I gave away my new bag of ground flax seeds. It's so confusing... what should we stay away from if we are ER/PR+ and on tamoxifan?
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This study cracks me up. It has to be funded by the soy industry. The news has slowly gotten out that soy promotes the growth of a tumor, now they want to study flax and soy taken together to see if flax will overcome the detrimental effects of eating soy on tumor growth. I just had to share this:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez...Pubmed_RVDocSum
So someone thinks flax is good to eat. And there's too much money funding the wrong projects. FDA open your eyes about soy. -
Flax seed has to be ground for 'benefits' it may have. Whole seeds are put in cereals, muffins, etc so they have a long shelf life. (I am sure it was ground for muffins in study). Whole flaxseed is good for the intestinal track - fiber - but not a danger to er/pr+ because it isn't ground.
Buying ground flaxseed has no value - deterioates on the shelf. If you want ground flaxseed you must grind it when needed. And coffee grinders are most popular for grinding. But there are flaxseed grinders avaialable at specialty shops. -
The information I've read also states the oil has a short life. If buying oil, it must be refrigerated. If buying seed, it must be ground fresh daily to obtain the maximum benefit. I bought a coffee grinder just for my flaxseed breakfasts.
I made the mistake one day of running out of yogurt. Instead I cooked my ground flaxseed with oatmeal. Blech blech and blech!! yukko!
Another thing that I think I notice -- my hair feels like my hair again. It seems thicker now, and my hair was very thick pre-diganosis. While I've been grateful that my hair grew back after chemo, it's been a shadow of its former self. -
I'm so confused! I'm ER+++ and HER2/neu borderline. Is flaxseed okay for me? I thought it would be but didn't realize it was a phytoestrogen. Anyone have any good, reliable information?
Cyndi -
Cyndi,
No one can say that flaxseed is good or bad because they don't do many human studies. Mice studies are all coming out positive. There are people eating flax who are BC survivors and who are on either AI's or tamox. Why they don't put the call out and do a study using them, or any others who are willing to join in, is beyond me.
I think the flaxseed industry is blowing away a golden opportunity. Can you imagine the headlines if it does work? We'd all be eating flax.
Here's some info on mice and flax:
http://www.flaxhealth.com/breastcancerupdate.htm -
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I made the mistake one day of running out of yogurt. Instead I cooked my ground flaxseed with oatmeal. Blech blech and blech!! yukko!
(smile) Try Brown Rice Syrup in your oatmeal. I use it instead of sugar and it makes it taste real yummy. (if you like oatmeal that is). The flaxseeds sometimes do have a strong flavor.
Cathy -
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I think the flaxseed industry is blowing away a golden opportunity. Can you imagine the headlines if it does work? We'd all be eating flax.
How true this is! I keep wondering when they will do a study using people and open their eye's.
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I made the mistake one day of running out of yogurt. Instead I cooked my ground flaxseed with oatmeal. Blech blech and blech!! yukko!
(smile) Try Brown Rice Syrup in your oatmeal. I use it instead of sugar and it makes it taste real yummy. (if you like oatmeal that is). The flaxseeds sometimes do have a strong flavor.
Cathy
It wasn't the flavor that was the problem. It was what happened to the flaxseed. It turned into a substance reminiscent of phlegm and it would hang off my spoon as I tried to eat it. Not my idea of a good breakfast! -
Wow, Cathy, you make it sound so, um, interesting....I guess that's one thing I won't need to try.
I put ground flaxseed on my (already cooked) oatmeal. I believe that cooking flaxseed destroys some of the benefit of the omega-3 fatty acids. If I want to sweeten it, I use pomegranate concentrate and rice milk. (Pomegranate should be avoided for those on tamoxifen.) I usually toss in raw walnuts for texture and more omega-3s. I always put a liberal amount of cinnamon in the oatmeal as it helps to regulate blood sugar. -
Oh no, not pomegranate! What's wrong with pomegranate for people on tamoxifen?
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Oh yucky Althea..no wonder you didn' twant to eat that!
Cathy -
That was Althea with the oatmeal but thanks for the tip about the cinnamon. I'm gonig to start using more of it as my blood sugar level is high.
Cathy -
Sorry, Cathy, I saw your name in Althea's post...I guess I was distracted by the phlegm description.
For those on tamoxifen, pomegranate was shown to inactive it just as effectively as grapefruit. The effects last for 3 days. -
Dr Weil and Dr Horner "Waking the Warrior Goddess" recommend flaxseed.
That is a good point, why doesn't the ACS et al advertise prevention and non-chemo treatment for women?
No $$ in it is the answer.
All I have ever heard is oxymoroon "Early detection is the best prevention". What a crock of crap from someone whose mammograms show zilch. -
Holy cow! What next? I didn't know anything about grapefruit juice. I googled it as soon as I read this. Then I checked my bottle of tamoxifen and the four pages of info that came with it and no where does it say anything about foods to avoid. I just read about pomegranate the other day when I was checking on green tea. It also has plant estrogens. I asked my onco about green tea and he said not to drink gallons of it and suggested I meet with the nutritionist that works with his group. I think I will since I am so confused as to what to eat and what to avoid. Speaking of avoiding - have you all read about the safe use of plastic. You should not microwave in it or let plastic wrap touch your food but most importantly avoid number 7 plastic. Number 7 - used in hard plastic water bottles like Nalgeen bottles and the 5 gallons bottles on water coolers - leach Bisphenol A which mimics the action of the human hormone estrogen and causes breast tissue changes in mice that resemble early stages of breast cancer in both mice and humans. Think before you drink and check the bottom of your plastic containers. Nancy
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