June 2007 Chemo
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I agree that each person should make the choice that is best for them. My onc. dr. recommended it to me; that was basically my reason. He said it is easy to use and saves the wear and tear on your veins. With half of my nodes removed on my right arm, I figured I would try to take it easy on the ones on my left arm. Deb
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Morning Ladies!
Patricia, I've also heard some of the gals complain of bone pain after that Neulasta shot...maybe her onc could give her something stronger for the pain? I will also be having Neulasta or another type of growth factor so I'm hoping I won't have to endure that pain.
I also figure it's up to each person if they should have a port. If I wasn't doing Herceptin, I probably wouldn't be having the port since I'm only doing 4 DD A/C. Although my second opinion onc thought I should do 4 DD Taxol after the A/C just as extra insurance, however, he couldn't produce a % benefit for me. And, he's the "local" guy as opposed to the teaching hospital cancer center I've chosen to take my treatments through.
I also found out they moved my first chemo from 6/5 to 6/7 so no biggie there.
I'm off to get my port put in a few hours...wish me luck...I'm sure they'll be hearing from me during surgery if I'm feeling anything, :-)
have a great day,
Susan -
Yeah, Susan, I'm getting my port put in at 1 pm ET today. I have notes all over my office (I work at home) to not eat.
During a normal workday, I have my little mindless rituals of cereal early on followed by a little dish of chocolate chips (dark - antioxidants) midmorning, etc. I can see me just walking in to the kitchen and eating without thinking. For my other surgeries I had to be at the hospital by 6 AM.
If this is my only challenge, I think I'll be okay. :-)
Good luck today.
Debbie -
Good Morning Everyone. Well , I didn't start chemo yesterday. I went to the hospital and had an echocardiogram done. Today I see the doc , and if test results from echo are ok , then I will start chemo today. Has anyone else been experiencing so many oops and setbacks to your treatment plan? I guess it happens. I was just a little nervous when they said "we forgot to schedule your echo before chemo" . Oh well , hopefully test results will be fine and we can get this part of the treatment started. Has anyone here puchased a wig online? I am having trouble finding a salon in my area. Just wondered if anyone had any suggestions. Well , good luck to us all. Hugs and God bless
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Good Morning Girls! Well, It sounds as if we are actually off to the races! I have to tell you that I feel EXELENT Today!!!!! Debbie, don't be discouraged if your port is too uncomfortable to run the first few weeks. Mine was tender for almost a month. Hopefully you will breeze right through that.
I had another thought that I wanted to share about the first few days after treatment. I told you guys that I went for my normal 3 mile run. Well, thinking back to that, I think that I may have pushed myself too much. I was pretty wiped out the day after, and I am going to pace myself the first three days post treatment next time.
Ann, the morning sickness can be eased with alot of small snacks each few hours. I found that munching on a couple of almonds really settles my stomach. Patti, welcome! I started taking Aleve 4 hours before my Neulasta Shot, and then I took it every 12 hours for three days. I didn't have any pain, but I know that the Neulasta seemed to exhaust my body. Needed to sleep most of that next day.
Port, no port, I hated my port the first three weeks. It was uncomfortable, itchy, seemed like it took a long time to heal, but after my first treatment, I LOVE it!!! Fast, painless, and no black and blue hands! Deb, I finally decided to break down and go shopping for a new doo... My girlfriend got all of her wigs on line... they are all pretty cute. I will ask her the site and report back!
My prayers, and good thoughts to all of you this fine day.
Peace,
Terri -
Wow! I go away for a day and look at all the posts. It's so amazing how many women from all around the country are in this group. I'm happy to have found y'all. I don't know anyone personally who has been through this and it's great to be able to share.
Well, I won't be starting 6/7, so yes, it looks like plans change regularly. I fired my onc. He has me scheduled for 4 AC, 4 T but didn't think it real important to get the PET and muga test done BEFORE the first treatment. What a goober! It's working out for the best anyway. I've got an appt for a first visit with a local on 6/6 (1 1/2 hours closer to home), and he came highly recommended. Plus, my nutritionist wants me on his supplement schedule for two weeks before I start and I just saw him yesterday.
I have a question/musings about dd versus regular (or 2 wk dosage vs. 3 wk dosage.) Anybody know why? Other to get done faster? If I can avoid the Nuelasta shots, I'm thinking about requesting 3 wk dosing. The nutritionist feels that way too. Anybody else have any experience, links or advice?
Also, I go get my drain out today!!!!!!! Can you tell I'm excited?
Thanks you ladies, that are sharing your experiences. It is definitely taking the edge off for me.
Cheryl -
http://www.breastcancer.org/search/?sp-a=000712f7-sp00000000&sp-p=all&sp-q=dose+dense
Cheryl here is a link on this website. I just happened to look that up a little while ago.
I'm so glad you are getting your drain out, what a relief that will be for you.
My first treatments were AC and Taxol every 3 weeks. I think it has something to do too w/the amount of dosage they decide to give you for various reasons.
Now I'm going to start Taxotere tomorrow, once every three weeks but I'm getting 100% so this gives my body time to regroup before the next treatment. -
Honeygirl, have you tried calling the ACS and asking for places in your area that sell wigs for chemo patients. Also check with your insurance to see where you can go to get it covered if your insurance does that. I called our local ACS and was very happy with where they told me to go in the Pittsburgh area. I have two days until I start my chemo and I am starting to get nervous and not sleep. I am trying to increase my fluid intake so that I am ready for this. I've been reading that the more you drink the faster the drugs go through your system. I really hope this isn't too bad because I am going to try to work through it as much as I can. But I am in front of the public all day so I don't know how it is going to work.
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Debbie--I'm glad you got that cleared up! As for the Nulesta, I got my shot right after the chemo. And for a few days I had bone pain. In my hips, shins. It was a stabbing pain and not constant, mostly at night when lying down. It's hard for me to figure out what drug is doing what to me when there are so many drugs and they are all new!
Anyway--I got my may hair cut short yesterday. You can check it out on my website if you want. www.caringbridge.org/visit/kathyhall
It's coming out in handfuls still, but at least this way it's manageable. I picked up my wig yesterday as well, but I can't say I'm planning on wearing it all that much. I think I'm a hat/scarf kind of gal. Does anyone know how long it takes for the hair to finish falling out? I'm on day 3 and still look fine b/c my hair is so thick. I suppose it's different for everyone, eh?
I go in for my 2nd dose on the 6th, so I'm counting down the days again and going to Dallas for the weekend while I feel well and making plans to spend next weekend on the couch.
I hope everyone has a good week!
Kathy -
Thanks, Pam, that's exactly what I was looking for.
I found this too.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/12/051207113032.htm
Dose-dense Chemotherapy For Early Breast Cancer Found Safe, Similar To Standard Regimen
Science Daily Biweekly chemotherapy treatment--a dose-dense regimen--for patients with early-stage breast cancer was found to be as safe as treatment administered every third week; however, the dose-dense regimen did not result in improvements in recurrence or survival, according to a study in the December 7 issue of the Journal of the National Cancer Institute.
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I'm probably gonna request every 3 weeks instead of 2 to avoid the other meds.
Kathy, I love your website. That's such a good idea to keep family and friends posted and not have to tell each detail upteen times. I have a sister that actually got offended because I didn't call her with some small piece of this whole process and she wasn't 'in the know'. HA!! Wonder if she wants to trade places? hehehe
Ann, I work with the public too -- a grocery store. It's gonna be interesting!
Cheryl -
Hi Ladies,
Thanks for the info on the Neulasta, I'm going to ask her Onc if she should take Claritin to help reduce her symptoms when she takes it the next time. She took Vicodin for the pain but its very strong for her so I'm going to try and get her something that does not upset her stomach too much.
As for the Port, My Mom had one and I am very happy that she did. She is 66 years old and has very poor veins. Since she has BC on the right side she can only use her left side, and every time they pricked her she would bruise pretty bad. Also I feel that having the port lets the medicine mix well in your system since its pumped directly into the main vein so the side effects are minimal. She did not experience any Nausea at all, but she did have 6 kids and did not have any morning sickness during her pregnancies
Good luck to those who have not started yet. it's more worrisome when you don't know what to expect.
Patricia -
Hello All! I saw the plastic surgeon for a checkup; she didn't put anything in the expander, there is still a little piece of the incision that she wants to heal up a little better. I found out today that normally she fills the expander on the day of surgery with 50-60 cc's of saline; but for me she actually got in 360cc's!!!! I guess I have pretty good skin and muscle! Anyway, there shouldn't be too much more to fill when it's time! My husband said it's almost to size now. After that it was off to the oncologist; we have a date set to start this journey: JUNE 19. I will get my port a day or so before that and I will also get a PET scan. I will be receiving the Nulesta the day after treatment. I asked about the bone pain and he said to take some Motrin right before I come for the injection, and then take more a couple of hours after and that should do the trick. I also had a walk throught the treatment area and met some of the Nurses who will help guide me on this journey. They all seemed very nice and told me that we will get through this and they are the " Chemo Clowns that Kill Cancer"! I am a little nervous about the whole thing on one hand; but then again I'm like "bring it on; lets get it over with"!
Bonnie -
Hi Ladies,
Just wanted to tell you that I got a new wig today.. It is Soooooo Cute!!! Before I went into social work, I spent a few years as a hair dresser. I never imagined myself as a wig gal. Never mind that now!!! I couldn't believe how much fun it was to try on new doos! My advice, is simple .... embrace this... it is temporary, try on all sorts of colors, lengths, and look at it as an extention of your personality!!! God knows, you don't have to buy them all...
Bonnie.. You will do great!!! Keep up the great attitude!!
Peace,
Terri -
Hi everyone!
I just got back from getting my port and it was no problem...didn't remember a thing. I think I started crying on the table but I'm so darn tired of being in operating rooms! After that, I don't remember anything except talking about my dogs when I came around when they were stitching me up. Site is a tad bit sore, but nothing else. I was expecting it to be higher on my chest but it's not near my clavical.
I'm with you Terri, I've seen some really cute wigs. I don't think I'm that devestated about losing my hair (maybe I'll change my mind when it actually comes outs). But, I know it will grow back and in the meantime, I'll be creative and unique!
Susan -
I just came back from my port and I remember everything! :-) It was pretty cool. I liked the conscious sedation sensation. I guess they better hide the drugs from me. :-) I was aware but incredibly comfortable. For example, I knew there would be a physician's assistant and supposedly the doc. But it was the PA who was there and talking the entire time. So he was the one who actually performed the procedure. The nurse would ask me throughout how I was doing. They wanted me to be somewhat awake. They had me take deep breaths near the end. I guess to check positioning. Right now I feel okay, tired, but my port region feels sore and the shrink wrap they put on reminds me of my mother making my pig tails too tight. :-)
Off to chemo tomorrow morning.
I did talk to my dad. He's actually giving me a break on coming out this weekend. He's 79 so I do like to get out there when I can and it's been a few months. So I'll stay closer to home. In fact, it means I can walk in the ACS 24 Hour relay Friday/Saturday. I'll hold off on the running and no hot tubbing for 5 weeks. Ugh!
I'll catch up with more of your notes tomorrow afternoon.
Bye for now!
Debbie -
Ann425 , Yes and Thanks. I did have my chemo and the patient navigator was there and hooked me up with a couple different salons. Some are in Pa. too! I know how you feel. I too couldn't sleep well the few nights before my chemo day. I have a port and glad I do. It really wasn't bad at all. I am experiencing some nausea and have a headache. I took the meds they gave me and am gonna lay down. I did drink 64oz of water since I got home today , so that may be adding to the nausea! I'm going to try to work through treatment also. I go back to work June 5th. So hopefully , I'll be feeling better. Good Luck to you.
SusieSwan , thats a name of one of my childhood friends! Brought back memories. Hugs and Prayers to you all. -
Kathy I love your haircut. I wish I could do that w/my hair but my ears stick out a bit so I've never been able to wear my hear that way. It looks so easy to take care of and gets you on the right path. I recently had mine trimmed shoulder length that was as close as I could brave!
Susan and Debbie, it's good to hear the port placement went well for you.
Cheryl, thanks for the link!
Today is my first chemo and I wish I had gotten more sleep.
I was given Dexamethazone to take for three days during treatment, 4 the day before, 4 the day of and 4 the next day. The Doc told me it might make me anxious so to take my sleeping pill. I really didn't feel anxious, was really tired but kept waking up. Probably a combination of everything I suppose.
Debbie looks like we will be doing the same today,
best wishes to all of you, hang in there! -
Good morning to everyone!
Kathy, I love your website and your hair looks great. I have the same problem as Pam. I went this week for a short haircut and then chickened out because of big ears. I should have gone shorter, but I think I can live with it for the next few weeks.
I'm going for a CT scan today. A little scared. Actually very scared. I feel like once this is over, and results are good (I'm praying), then I'll be able to deal with the rest. My onc. requested a PET scan, but my insurance review board only okayed the CT scan. Maybe this was a good sign as they didn't think a PET scan was necessary. Don't know much about either, but I'm looking for any good signs I can find.
I won't be having a port mostly because I didn't want to wait to get chemo started. The surgeons in my town are so busy it would have delayed treatment a couple weeks. So we're going to see how it goes.
Hope everyone is doing well. This week before first start of treatment has been my worst. I just want to get going!
Thanks for all the posts....I read every word!
Kathleen -
I had my PET scan today, won't get the results until I see my onc on Monday. My port is FINALLY starting to settle down a bit. I've had alot of problems with mine, from pulling, to pain, to trouble breathing with it. The surgeon doesn't think there is anything wrong with it, though, and that it is just going to take me some time to get used to it and to stretch things back out a bit. So we'll see.
I'm so glad everyone is doing well...I just want to get chemo started and get it over with I hope my PET scan comes back clear.
Gracie -
Hello my Chemo Cousins!
Well, Monday I go for my PET and CT scans; next Friday I go for a quick check with the surgeon, and then on the 12th I get my port put in. I can't believe tomorrow is the 1st of June already; some days seem to go by fast and others just drag on! Hopefully for those of us spending the summer killing the "BEAST" time will go by quickly.
Bonnie -
Hello Everyone. I first want to wish everyone waiting on test results good luck.
I'm so sorry to see some having trouble with your ports. I'm really glad I have mine.
I woke to day one after chemo with a headache and bad nausea. But I forgot to take a pill they had given me yesterday. I put it in my purse and forgot about it! Boy , I am in trouble if I get chemo brain! Anyway , after I took that I felt great the rest of the day. have to take it again tonight and will make sure I don't forget. I will be shopping for a wig tomorrow. I had my hair cut short last week. Mainly because it was to long and thick to fit in the wig cap. I sure am gonna miss my hair. Ok ladies , hope you all have a peaceful night. Hugs and Prayers , Melody -
Hi , hope you dont mind me popping in to see how you ladies are doing - I am off of the Rocktober 2005 thread.
I had my op in May 05, chemo Oct 05 (had a rough time healing - there's always one!) rads finished Apr 06 , Oophrectomy May 06 , switched from Tamoxifen to Arimidex Jan 07. I am a fully paid up 2 year survivor!! I had lumpectomy and 1/28 nodes positive.
When i was diagnosed i was 33 , kids were 9 and 7.My husband was and is fantastic , he lost his mum to Bone Cancer.
Chemo wasnt as bad as i thought it was going to be. My hubby and i chose a red rock chick wig (that looked better than my original hair!). Even on the days i felt rough i wore my lipstick and high heels to collect the kids from school (couldnt work as i worked in a school and infection risk too high) . One parent who didnt know even said how well i was looking and complimented my haircut - i felt really sorry for her when i told her!!)
I had a bad car accident and had to be rescued by the firebrigade , the paramedicd only knew i was having chemo when i told them , they couldnt tell.
A couple of days after my first chemo , we cut my hair off , emotional for a few minutes as we showed the kids , but i didnt want to look like a hamster with mange so off it came.
The things that helped me were ,
Asking for advice on an eyebrow pencil and using it before my eyebrows disappeared (so i knew where they were!)
Putting the war paint on everyday and trying to look well for the kids - that helped me , and people treated me as they always had done
Dried Apricots - no one tells you that you need your roughage while on chemo !!
Anti sickness drugs - they are given to you for a reason - dont try and be brave!!
And keep a drug diary of how you feel etc ,if something isnt suiting you it will be obvious to the DR.
I feel like i have come out of this with a different attitude to life. I dont save for a rainy day ( it darn well came!) We live for today , i feel more confident for it and wring every bit of goodness out oflife.
Hope some of my ramblings may be a help -Good Luck Ladies , you can do it.
Debbie -
Hello ladies, Yesterday was my first round of chemo (4x AC). I had a meeting to attend later in the day. I felt sluggish then but may have been a combination of residual effects of the drugs for the port install the day before and the ativan they used for antinausea and I guess antianxiety. I went home and took a power nap then drove an hour to the meeting. I opted out of the dinner with the team but am heading back there today for more meetings.
I woke this morning feeling fine after my first chemo. I did get the prescription for Compazine. My doc said to take one just before going to bed and one when I wake up. I was able to sleep normally. That was with the help of one Tylenol PM.
So far, I have no complaints. I am keeping a diary. I have been consuming a lot of water and peeing a lot. No discomforts to speak of. I did avoid any wine last night and probably will for the next few days. Seems like something I don't want to add into the mix and it is ill-advised. My appetite is regular.
I know this sounds like it is all about me at the moment but I want to be sure to let you know my first experience as some of you are antipating yours. I'm heading out for a walk in the woods with a friend. I have to hold off running until the port settles in more. Power walking doesn't seem to be a problem.
I'll catch up more in a bit. Stay strong and know that you can do it. You really can!
Debbie -
Gracie--Sorry about your port problems. I still have, I don't know if you can really call them problems, but let's just say--I know it's there. Often at night, if I roll over and sleep on the right side, I feel a pinch of sorts in the port area and I have to re-adjust. I'm glad I got it though. It should get better for you.
Debbie--That's awesome that you were able to drive after your nap and chemo. I was too scared to try that after my first tx.
I asked my doc about drinking and chemo and he told me to not drink alcohol for the 4 or 5 days after treatment, but otherwise a glass of wince or drink was ok every now and again. I'd be curious as to what other docs have said on the issue, so let us know if you discussed that with your onc.
Finally, you recall I started losing my hair Memorial Day (Day 13 after tx1). I got it cut the next day. And today you can see it's REALLY thinning on the forehead and at the crown. I have super thick hair so other than that, you'd never know I'd lost a hair. But, with the thinning, I may go ahead and shave it this weekend. I'm going to Dallas (I live in Little Rock) to see a friend tonight and go shopping and I have a dinner date with my boyfriend tomorrow night when I get back. (I'll def. be having a drink since tx #2 is Wednesday!!) I don't mind shopping in Dallas with a bald spot, but going out where I might run into someone I know with a couple of bald spots is a different story. I rather wear a scarf to dinner. I'm taking a scarf and ball cap to Dallas just in case I need it.
I hope everyone has a good weekend. I'll check back in on everyone Sunday! -
Debbie sounds like your day went pretty well and you had so much going on, thank heavens you had time for a power nap! I think the diary idea is a good one. I didn't do that my first time but I'm going to start one too.
My first day went pretty much smoothly. Since I'd been thru this before it seemed like I fit right back in, sort of strange but this time I was informed so had questions and took notes.
I am taking Aloxi w/my IV for nausea plus I have a pill to take and the steriods for 3 days so only a teeny bit queezy. My problem was my Angina which I have had for years and the Taxanes always seem to bring this on for me but my nitrol pills help quickly. I'm feeling ok today, maybe a little on the weird side, a little weak but all in all pretty good.
Hi Debbie from the Rocktober 2005 thread. Boy you've sure had a hard time but it's good to hear you are doing well now. Sounds like you took things in hand and made the best of it, the wig, make-up, dressing in heals. It's always nice to hear from others who have been thru this for tips. I loved the eyebrow tip. I'm past the high heels and a red wig, little older for those ideas but it does help to think outside the picture a bit and maybe those of us can come up with some ideas to do a little change w/our appearance to make us feel better.
Putting on a little something of color to your face can really help, I remember this but when I had bad days I didn't if I wasn't going anywhere. But some times if you get alot of hairloss and the lashes or brows go and you may look paler it will make you feel better that's for sure.
Hope you guys w/the port problems get settled in, I think they are the best!
Bonnie I'm with you I hope it is a quick summer! Good luck w/your scans.
Kathleen and Gracie good luck with your scans too. Keep us all posted.
I have to do a repeat CT next thursday.
They do worry you but usually things are fine.
Have hope gals, we'll get thru this,
hugs to you all -
First a/c treatment went well today - love the emla cream and my port! Maybe the veins in my arm will heal and cooperate next time they are needed for a muga or PET scan.
Hoping everyone has a wonderful weekend!
Dawn
12/05 IDC er+/pr+ her2+ stage 1
3/07 IDC er-/pr- her2+ stage 2 -
I am so happy to hear good reports from the first tx. Mine is coming up Monday morning. I plan to drink lots of water starting Sunday morning, but really don't know what else to do ahead of time. Dr. told me not to take the anti nausea ahead of time.
Got my port on Tuesday. My skin reacted to the clear tape they used; first time for that! It itches and blistered so guess I have some kind of allergy to it. Otherwise, the experience wasn't bad.
I will be glad to get Monday behind me and see what I am facing.
Hope you all have a wonderful weekend.
Debbie -
Hi Everyone , I got my wig today. I went with a synthetic instead of human hair. She cut and styled it while I had it on. It just feels so fake to me. I hope I can get use to it.
Day two after first treatment , I am feeling tired but am having difficulty sleeping. Has anyone else experience this? Also I am having a slight headache off and on most of the day. Appetite is down. But all in all not so bad.
Hope your all doing well and those of us with aches and pains are feeling better. Hugs and Prayers to all. -
Honeygirl after you have had your wig for awhile you may get more used to it or decide to go w/something else. I bought one and wore it twice but alot of gals wear them they look great.
Are you on a steriod? I am and it has caused me sleeping problems so take a sleeping pill too. I too have had some headaches. It could also be anxiety, if it continues to bother you asks the onc's office for something to help you sleep or what you can take for the headaches.
Hugs to all of you, -
Sounds like everyone is getting on with it, lots of first time chemos. Thanks for the details, it really does help with my anxiety if I know what to expect.
I had the CT yesterday, and then tried to get the PET done. Apparently, the headache I had was a migraine cuz I threw up in the tube. Yes. In the tube. I was mortified, but the tech was really sweet. They got me out, cleaned up the bio-hazard, and then tried again. I got out of the tube in time the second time. He suggested we go for just the chest area instead of whole body since I only had one dirty node, and that only took 7 minutes. Then as soon as I got out, I threw up again. Yesterday was pure misery. Did you know you can drive and throw up at the same time? I don't suggest it, but it can be done. I slept the rest of the day.
Oh, and the surgeon left this drain in for 10 more days! I'm suppose to start chemo Thursday, but I'm thinking he won't want to start with the open wound of the drain.
My hair is also long and thick, and I've never worn it short. I'm getting it whacked off though. I have an autistic child, and we're trying to think of ways to not freak him out when my hair is gone. He notices EVERYTHING that is different. I've had a hard time keeping him away from the bulb of the drain. He hates it when I come home with visible bandages, and will try to take them off for me!
Kath11, ask your onc about getting the port put in after chemo is started. It may be a possibility.
Have a great Saturday everybody!!
Cheryl
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