What are your thoughts re: a post-chemo detox?
I just finished 6 months of chemo (yesterday!!yay!!) and have been thinking I should go on a detox regimen of some kind for a short time. Maybe herbals, diet, cleansing program, etc...? I don't know but I really would like to get this stuff out of my body asap so I can regain some energy and be ready for surgery next month. Any thoughts?
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I guess I'm a little conservative on this issue and would be afraid of going overboard on 'cleansing' if you mean colonics and stuff. Since you'll be having surgery, you need to avoiding upsetting certain balances and becoming deficient or dehydrated. My belief is that the body can be left to it's own devices, to some extent, and allowed to heal itself...but with a little help. To that end, I think I'd focus on keeping my diet as 'clean' and pure as possible, eating only organic food and food that is fresh from the farm, if that's possible. Green tea, some basic, healing herbs and supplements that support a healthy immune system and fight free radicals. Also, making an effort to achieve 'inner' healing and serenity might go a long way in promoting maximum healing for you. I refer to things like Reiki, massage, developing a basic yoga practice, and if you are spiritual or religious, becoming regular with prayer and/or meditation.
Just a few thoughts, anyway....
AND CONGRATULATIONS ON FINISHING CHEMO!!!!!
Marin -
Thanks Marin! No colonic cleansing for me--that gets me a bit nervous--I think it can deplete too many vitiamins from the body. I know I want to take milk thistle for liver cleansing and maybe extra vitamin C for awhile, some bach herbal remedies and I'm sure there are lots of other things along those lines---
I would love to get back into pilates yoga(preBC I did it 1-2x everyday) but since my bilateral, my chest feels uncomfortable doing many of the poses. That may just be a matter of getting re-adjusted. As my energy/stamina returns, I intend to try again.
I'm going to have a detoxifying seaweed wrap. I think massage is excellent.
I'm a huge green tea drinker--I make it into iced tea. Big water drinker. Diet got crappy during chemo as Ihad tons of stomach problems but now I'll get back to my regular healthy eating.
I just want to return to my normal high energy personality ASAP. I can't stand this fatigue and brain fog!
Anything else occurs to you, let me know and thanks again! -
Dear Bayore
I have been treating survivors of cancer for two decades(See Nutritional Medicine entry of 5-5-07)
I have found that the best way to deal with post-chemotherapy states is to alkalinize your body which can easily bemeasured by testing your saliva pH daily.
What is pH? It is the measure of alkalinity or acidity in your body. After chemotherapy, most people are acid and the acid causes many problems. If your saliva is acidic, there is a very high chance your body is acid as well.
The opposite is true. If you are alkaline, your body functions better in every sense of the word, and toxins that may have accumulated during treatment are more easily removed from the body.
How do you measure this? Using a pH paper strip from any chemical supply store.
I give these to all my patients an the results have been amazing. More amazing is the fact that you can monitor yourself as many times as you wish during the day which increases your awareness of what you are doing or not doing and its effects on your body, including medicines, nutritional supplements, food, excercise and cancer therapies.
Take care and I hope you feel better and better every day
Victor A Marcial-Vega, MD
Board Certified Oncologist -
Gentle or restorative yoga....see if you can find a class or an instructor. It's awesome and will allow you to work around the chest issue.
Sounds like your diet is right on. I just started taking milk thistle after reading up on it. CoQ10 seems to be recommended often to us as survivors. Quite a number of the women here take it, so you might want to ask about that too. Vitamin D3 is hot now too and many of us are big fans of the B vitamins. I take a B-complex.
Marin -
I did a detox tea, the Flor-Essence Essiac tea that's sold in bottles. I swear it helped me to recover more quickly (that, and a few other things). It tastes just like tea, not nasty. It comes in a dry, make-it-yourself, version too. Just FYI...
Oh, and congrats on finishing chemo!!!
Jaybird -
One woman I knew consulted with a nutritionist and she put her on some pro-biotics.
The alk/acid thing is interesting. I quit drinking sodas, which as quite acidic, and found that several hard-to-change skin conditions improved a lot! I've read other things that say it's very difficult to alter the ph of your body, so I don't know if it's "real" or just something I imagined.
Glad to hear you're done with chemo! -
Congratulations on finishing chemo Holly! I hadn't seen you posting on the boards in a while and hoped that you were doing well.
Please keep us posted with your progress. -
Hi! Sorry I haven't responded sooner, I was sick for the past few days....that immune system isn't recovered yet. Thanks to all who responded.
Marin, can you recommend any yoga dvds? I prefer to work out at home...
Jaybird, thanks for jogging my memory--I remember seeing that in my health food store and thinking I'd give it a try afterwards. Let me know if you think of others
Vic--I went to a holistic doctor a few years ago who believed the acid test could tell a lot about one's health. He made me aware of D-mannose powder which works wonderfully for bladder infections and I'll always be grateful to him for that recommendation but I'm not quite sure about the ph thing. As Rose said, I've read it's difficult to alter ones pH. What foods/supplements do you suggest to make someone more alkaline?
Thanks Rose, I've been a believer in probiotics for years and will continue to take them
Hi Acgw--I've been extremely fatigued and sometimes read the boards but can't gather my thoughts enough to read for long or to respond with any intelligence. I hope to get rid of the cobwebs soon--thanks!
Hugs, Holly -
Hi Holly,
Congratulations on finishing chemo!!Feels marvellous, doesnt it?
You've gotten great suggestions, and I think your own ideas are great.Marin's proticol couldnt be better, could it?
Just came to smile, and applaud you at the end of your ordeal!
Rock on!
hugs, joan -
I know this isn't necessarily a "detox" liquid, but I just started taking Tahiti Trader brand Noni juice and I feel it's given me more energy (I'm quite sleep deprived with a new baby at home!). I tried another brand last year but for me this brand 'works' better (I didn't feel more energetic with the other one). It has blueberry and raspberry juices and it tastes really good. Just FYI.....
Jaybird -
Hi Holly,
Congratulations on *finishing chemo*!!! So here is where you've been hiding out!!!
I was just wondering if any of you took adriamycin and what your reaction is to the news yesterday. I was thunderstruck!!!
Holly, I can't thank you enough for talking me out of taking adriamycin because of my heart concerns...I have a little bit of an arrhythmia problem now that started during rads, but nothing serious, but I am sure it would have been much worse on AC.
Do any of you need to start hormonals?!!! Here I was feeling just about perfect, started Tamoxifen, and no hot flashes. Yeah!!! But now I have to change from Prozac to Effexor and the flashes are back!!! Prozac & tamo don't work together. I am not a good candidate for the AIs now because my bone density test showed ostepenia.
I am thinking of just going off Prozac & Effexor altogether rather than deal with the side effects of another heavy mysterious drug..!!!!
Mizsissy -
Holly...I don't teach much yoga (only if every other instructor in the place is bedridden & delerious!), but I am very familiar with Rodney Yee's DVDs and think that they're awesome. Which one you try depends upon your level of fitness and how advanced your practice is. I'd say start with the 'AM/PM' one and buy a more challenging one as your endurance increases.
Marin -
Missy I did not hear the news about adriamycin could you tell me more
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Hi Holly
Congrats on finishing Chemo. I finished mine about 1 year ago and can still sometimes taste it. I have been using a detox tea, colon cleanse, and probiotics. I think keeping the body cleansed is a good idea as long as it's not taken to far. I'm eating more fruits and vegies and good supplements. I found when I had my surgery I needed to eat more protein so I use a protein shake and ate more meat than usual but I made sure it was hormone free and no chemicals used in it. I had a double mastectomy Feb of 2006 and will finish my reconstruction tomorrow witht he exchange of my expanders to implants. -
I realize that this posting is quite a few years after the original question was posed. However, just in case someone finds it useful, I am responding...
I had stage 4 metastic anaploid hormone active breast cancer. My treatment was intense and quite literally knocked me off my feet for weeks on end during each course - nearly killed me twice (once on my son's 10th birthday). It took three years of chemo, surgery, radiation and more chemo. During that time I was unable to work and I took a wholistic approach - which included massage therapy, chiropractic care, support group for me, support group for my children (who were in elementary school at the time), care of family and friends, involving my children as much as appropriately possible, music, art, volunteering, practicing mindfulness, prayer, visualization (of the chemo drugs eating the cancer all gone), taking a computer class (I didn't know anything about computers and it helped stimulate my brain), humor, treasuring my time with my children, eating as healthily as I could tolerate, staying as busy and active as I could manage, counting my blessings, practicing gratitude....
After treatment was all over, I continued to maintain the wholistic approach and also went through a cleansing regimen which included drinking lots of water, a thoughtful regimin of vitamins and minerals (including niacin), sauna and steam, exercise (to regain stamina, strength and muscle integrity), classes (to exercise my brain in an effort to shake of that chemo-brain fog).
Good news is that the fatigue eventually gets less and less. Energy, stamina, endurance, strength and brain power eventually returns! Key: patience and perseverance!
Hang in there!
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Thank you for posting. My treatment has ended sooner than expected and I am looking to inner healing and diet to ensure it doesnt come back. Your inout and advise is much appreciated
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