Starting Chemo in JAN 2007
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Then last week she told me that I am now type II diabetic. The steroids raised my blood sugar too much. So I got this nice diabetes pill, and have to prick my finger three times a day. However, I also have Hepatitis C, thanks to some bloodtransfusions in 1978. Well, that medication raised my liver values, so I got a call yesterday to immediately stop the diabetes medication.
Robertin, I am very sorry you have to go through all this. Chemo can get really scary when it exacerbates or complicates other medical conditions. Hoping everything turns out OK for you. How does your blood sugar feel?..
Mizsissy -
if my fever goes to 100.5 tonight, that I should go to the ER---NO WAY!!! I asked her if I could take tylenol and she said that I could. That will be my line of defense until tomorrow. I would have gone back today to see the onc, but I will not go to the ER at night when she is not there- and expose myself to who knows what-
I don't blame you, Viddie. You'd end up sitting there all night amongst all kinds of germs, etc. that you don't need to be around w/a low WBC. 100.4, 100.5--what's the difference, really? I had that two weeks ago..sinuses wouldn't stop and I had a low fever like that. All the paperwork from OSU said don't take tylenol...it'll mask symptoms of infection. I called my onco. and he said so long as I knew it was a cold, which I did, I could take meds. So I did Dayquil and Nyquil for three days or so and I immed. felt better. The fever went but the sinuses dragged on for a good two weeks...unlike me. Just goes to show my body isn't what it used to be as far as fighting infection.
The whole chemo process came on so gradually, I wonder if I'll feel tremendously different after a few weeks off of it... it'll be interesting to see if I notice a diff. in my level of energy. -
The day of my mastectomy, the injections for the SNB were the worst emotionally of anything I experienced. I'd been prepared an hour before with EMLA cream so only one of the four injections actually caused any discomfort (fairly significant but the doctor was quick).
It was lying there on the table, silent tears, a nurse holding my hand and stroking my forehead and whispering reassurances, the doctor pretty much ignored me - no eye contact at all....somehow this procedure seemed like torture in my mind.
Then I was told to massage my breast to get the dye distributed throughout the breast. I had to laugh "I've been groping myself since I found the lump 1 1/2 months ago - another 30 minutes isn't a problem."
Yeah, I hated the SNB injections. It was a moment of meltdown for me. Maybe the worst of this whole experience.
Cindy -
Thanks for the link. It is a great article.
Cindy -
A friend sent me that book. I cried as I read it because the honest truth of her reactions and responses to what happened to her hit so close to home.
Cindy -
Congratulations, Mizsissy!
How great to have that doctor confirm the appropriateness of your treatment. That is fabulous.
Cindy -
Amera - I have to admit that I rolled my eyes and complained to my husband when that issue of newsweek showed up in the mail this week. "Ugh - can I get a break from cancer for a minute?!?" But - I sat down and read the article last night and it IS wonderful. Like you said, I could totally relate - especially when he talked about putting up a cheerful front for others and how that is so expected of us.
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Woo - hoo Mizsissy, how nice to hear such reasurring news. Wonderful. I hope that you sleep easier now knowing that you did everything that you should have.
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I'm curious about why the ER for a fever? I've heard it mentioned here many times before and it seems like the last place anyone would want to be with low blood counts and an infection/fever would be an ER waiting room. The one time I did have a fever after my first chemo I called my onc (who happened to be the doc on call that night) and he just called in a heavy duty antibiotic and then had me come into the office the next morning. The antibiotic brought the fever down pretty quickly without taking anything else. I guess if it hadn't I would have gone into the ER. Anyway, just wondering why they would use the ER as the first line of defense.
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Yes I am doing 12 weekly, I had 4 DD ac's first then after chemo due up for 33 rads then tamoxofin. I live in Kettering and going to Hematology and Oncology of Dayton. I never understood why some women got 4 AC and 4 taxols and why I "won" 12? Do you know why that is? I am Stage 2A E+ P+ Her2- 2+ nodes, one node was "focal extracapsular extension" Never understood what that meant either.
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Hi ladies,
Well I'm back from the onc. It appears my tush is inflamed, irritated etc. possibly from the Taxotere - he gave me ANUSOL HC ointment (hydorcort) and told me to do epsom salt sitz baths. I immediately did one when I came home, and it did help. I apply the ointment in the morning and at bedtime, he says this should do the trick. I sure hope so. Funny thing is the twitching has basically disappeared ( I guess I have a new pain to dominate my life), and the Tylenol #3 did help, so he said to continue with the Tylenol # 3 as needed, since it will help subside this pain as well. I just have to be careful not to get constipated, as this will not help the situation. And as my Jewish BC sisters know, matzah is not exactly a laxative!! So it'll be more prunes and prune juice for me. OY!! I went down to the hospital looking like a true BC patient today, and I think my onc. was a bit startled to see me this way - usually I have my wig and makeup on - not today, just felt too crappy - no makeup, no wig, just a little wool cap on - it snowed here today - I think he felt really badly for me today, with the way I looked and of course how I was suffering with my tush.
So that's the end of my "tale" - sorry, couldn't resist that one...
I hope everyone else is feeling better, it does seem like a rough week for many of us -
Amera, thanks for the link to the Newsweek article.
Robertin - girl, you just vent all you want. Sorry it's been a bad few days for you too.
Viddie - I hope your fever goes down. I know what you mean about going to the ER, but go if you have to.
Jan - Sorry you've had a rough week too. I think part of the reason is that we're all on our 4th or 5th infusion, and it's all cumulative - so we're feeling it one way or another.
Mizsissy - wow, it sounds like you got a great report on your treatment. It is great to have confirmation from the top of the top.
And Tina - your 10 year old is just venting - we know you know it, but as you say, it's hard to hear it.
So that's it from me for now, it's been quite the day. I hope I'll sleep a bit tonight.
hugs to all,
Caya -
Caya, good tail-tale pun. But ouch! I hope your treatment works fast.
Mizsissy, so happy for your good news that you really are done, and at least you can rest easy knowing you left nothing out.
TJJ - those SNB dyes..omigosh, I'd been trying to forget! The only way I got through that was the hospital's blessed breast cancer nurse leaning over me and holding my hands. It was NOT over fast. One of the most painful experiences of my life. When the radiologist got done, I looked at him and said, "I would have told you anything you wanted to know." My surgeon told me he is working with some others on ways women could be sedated for that. I know they all hated to hurt me that much, but not as much as I hated it.
Robertin, you have a ton to deal with, sending many prayers your way to cope.
TJJP, that was a tough thing to hear from your child but they DO say many, many things so off the top of their heads that they truly don't mean. I have an extra measure of sympathy for all of you going through this with young ones. Mine are 26 and 28, old enough to be supportive so I'm grateful for that.
As for me, I found out my MUGA results were good so I will be starting the Herceptin Monday with my third of four Taxols. Like the first Taxol, they said they will deliver it more slowly so will take over an hour. That's on top of the four hours already in the chair so I'll be there all day. But after that I'll only have one Taxol left.
Now to go look up that Newsweek article, and Cancer Vixen which I hadn't heard of. Thanks for those recommends!
And Nancy hang in there...at least we can all go crazy together. - Skye -
Nancy, I don't know why you are getting 12 Taxols except that they must be lower doses. I can't imagine you'd be getting the same amount I am in each of my 4. I'll ask my onc when I see him Monday. - Skye
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I know waiting for test results is the worse, you want them to call with goods news but not if it's bad. And then you said, ok just call, I have to know. I had my CAT scan yesterday and get the results in 3 to 5 days. The onc was reassuring that the liver spot could just be a cyst and they'll be able to tell that if it didn't change, or if it's cancer, the chemo should have taken care of it since it was so small (4 mm.) So I am going to try to put it out of my mind for a few days.
I had my LAST taxol yesterday. It was a long day and I had to go to the other clinic associated in the practice. They didn't know anything about me, can't they see the computer? So they tried giving me Eloxi when I didn't need it and they had the drip of Taxol so slow, I was there forever. But everyone was nice and they threw me a party...confetti. I made them sing and dance for me. The guy in the chair next to me was in bad shape with bone cancer. His family was so nice. So what we're going through is minimal compared to that. He was in so much pain.
As to wigs, they get more comfortable as you wear them. A little lotion on the head before wearing them helps the itch. Washing them and letting them air dry makes them more snug and then they stretch out to fit your head. The nurses at the onc yesterday even said, "Is that really a wig, it looks so good." But I'm getting braver, I drive aroung with my bald head and my wig in the car and I look over to other people in other cars to get their reaction. Let them look!!! -
Congrats on your last Taxol, Mary. It's a good week for both of us in that dept.
Nancy and Skye, I met another kindergarden mother from my daughters class six weeks ago and discovered she had BC two years ago. (Became fast friends as soon as we realized we both had it...it certainly forms a quick bond.) Anyway, she about fell off the chair when she heard I got any Taxol at all, as she only got 4 A/C's and that was it. Her tumor was twice the size of mine, she's ER/PR/HER2+ like me. She goes to the same hospital, but diff. doctor. (Her good friend, a patient of my doc., passed away five months before her dx, so my doctor kind of unnerved her, which she knows is irrational, but...). Anyway, I felt terrible for her...I think she thought "OMG! I need more chemo."
Caya, glad your on the road to recovery. It was probably good that you went in looking like BC Woman. They do take you more seriously if you look the part.
Slept well last night..got into bed at a decent hour. Enjoying a nice quiet am w/no kids up yet. No school in OH today...Good Friday. It's funny, depending on where you live, what days you get off. All my years in South Florida, we got all the Jewish holidays off but not Good Friday. It's been kind of fun moving all around the country and seeing how things are done in each place. (It's been hard to, reinventing your life each time. Columbus is a great place to raise kids...and to have cancer. Great hospital, docs. Great cost of living. Who knew! If you told me I'd be here six years ago, I'd never have believed you.) Off to COSI (great kids museum) today w/my friend, Wendy, and seven kids. -
Just had a good laugh. Anyone see todays Family Circus cartoon in the paper? The mother is holding up a cross and showing it to Dolly. Dolly says: I liked seeing him in the manger better.
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Jan, Tina...I know how all you folks hate the idea of going to the ER, I once did on a bad recommendation from Nurse Ratchet, but there are some times when you need to go. It is possible when your white blood counts are low, for your body to lose its ability to fight infection. A spike in temp is the first warning, and then things can go from bad to worse rapidly. That's when they need to get on IV antibiotics so you don't go into septic shock. We've all gotten through this without getting to that point but it's important to go the ER to avoid this situation because the hospital is the only place they can do this for you.
Thanks for all the positive feedback on my onc visit yesterday. I was glad to know there was such a warm, capable person close by in case I need him. If I ever get a recurrence I'll change my medical plan...
Mizsissy -
Good morning gals,
I am feeling much better this morning. The cream has helped considerably, and I slept pretty well. I got up once during the night to take a Tylenol #3, and I think I will continue to take them for the next few days to ease this pain and the muscle aches.
Jan - my onc. was very firm about going to the ER for a fever over 100F - and not to use Tylenol or anything to mask it - he told me that one person out of 15 can get true "chemo fever" - and if not treated promptly it can be fatal - at the ER you tell them you may have chemo fever and they apparently whip into action doing blood tests and pumping you up with antibiotics - at least this is the theory, I also question the wisdom of sitting around an ER full of sickies, and I wonder how quick they would be to start treating us...glad it worked out for you.
Skye - great that your MUGA is okay for you to get your first Herceptin on Monday. Let us know how that goes.
Mary, My aunt in Florida also just had a CT scan of her liver, for what the dr. also thinks is probably just a cyst, and is also waiting 3 -5 days for the result. She doesn't have BC, it was just caught on some routine ultrasound I think, and they did the CT to be sure... so I'll be praying for you both. I am also getting to the point that if someone catches me with my bald head, cause here at home I will often walk around au naturel, I say Let 'em look!!
Tina, here in Toronto everyone is off for Good Friday - it's a government holiday here in Ontario, I don't know about the rest of Canada - Joni, are you off in Alberta?
Have fun at the museum.
So have a good day girls, those of you preparing Easter goodies, enjoy, and don't overdo it. You need your rest.
All the best
Caya -
Hi All,
Caya and TPPJ, I hope you are feeling better. Mizsissy, such good news, I am so glad you got the second opinion. Now you can have some peace of mind moving forward.
I start the 12 taxols next week. My dr says the reason for 12 vs 4 is to mitigate the side effects. We end up with the same amt, just stretching it out. I must say (again) that the idea of going thru that door 12 more times has reduced me to tears on several occasions.
I do have a three day trip the day after the second treatment, so hope I feel ok. I have business meetings two consecutive days, but then the third day I am spending with my kids, who all live in Northern Cal. I am looking forward to that.
I don't feel I ever really bounced back from the fourth ac. I don't have my usual energy, but don't really feel sick. Just depressed and fatigued, and the endless mouth sores, which I manage with salt rinses, mouthwash, vit E, but which always lurk and just love to break thru. And I have been awful about watching my weight the past few days so have stayed off the scales. I feel like I need to reward myself for getting thru each day with some Starbucks Mud Pie ice cream, not a great choice. But sooooo yummy.
I hope you all have a good day today, and a lovely weekend.
Melia -
Mizsissy, let me jump in to say Yippee!! So glad you were able to find a kind, competent oncolgist who *agrees* with your treatment plan. That must be a load off your mind.
I always wonder if I am doing enough seeing that I only got 4AC. I will have to believe I have done all I can. Of course, if I do get a recurrence, I will think, sheesh, I guess I shouldn't have chanced that .8%.
I am already starting to worry about transitioning from patient to survivor. I pointedly asked the social worker I saw during treatment if people found it tougher after treatment ended. I knew this was true but I wanted my husband to hear it from an expert. I know he's getting tired of hearing about it and is counting the days until treatment ends so that I will be "done" with this. He hasn't said as much, but I know that's what he's thinking.
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Hey Ladies,
TPPJ, I feel for that lady you met. I guess we each just have to trust our oncologists...and maybe second or third oncologists like Mizsissy did...to figure out what we each need. I remember questioning my onc over whether I really needed the Taxol, and he said it was still the standard of care for my dx which is ER+PR-HER2+ Stage 2, 2.1 cm, 0 nodes. But I think each person's formula is different. He didn't offer me the option of getting 12 smaller doses, and now that I'm halfway through I feel like just plowing into the rest of it and being "done" with it. (except for the rads, year of Herceptin and five or more years of tamo, etc.)
Amera, I think every husband just wants this stuff to be over for us. It's really hard to accept that our lives have changed for good. Not that we can't enjoy good health afterwards and our lives return to outwardly normal, but we are different now for the long haul. I still recommend the book, Breast Cancer Husband. It has helped my dh in many ways. And therefore helped me.
Caya I'm glad the treatment is helping. Thanks for the Easter wishes. Can you guys believe I am still making Easter baskets for my 26 and 28 year old sons, plus the oldest's girlfriend? I had told them not this year but then I couldn't resist. It's something I love to do so I decided I needed to this year more than ever. And I did make it to church last night in wig. I love that "I'm bald and let'em look" attitude, though. It's bound to happen more as summer comes.
Finally Mary, that's so great they celebrated with you at your last treatment. Whoo-hoo!!! - Skye -
Good Morning Ladies,
Mizsissy, I'm so happy for you that you now have the peace of mind you've been searching for. And that you now have an Onc you feel you can go to with confidence. About the sex toys party. It was my 23 year old niece that had the party at my sisters house. My sister asked me to go so she wouldnt' be the only 'grown up'. Not a party I would ask my neighbors to but it was legitimate party. And no, there were no demonstrations. Just a bunch of 23 year olds giggling.
Caya, I'm so glad you are feeling better 'down there'. Geez, if it's not one thing it's another with all this treatment. Keep getting better!
Skye - Congrats on the great MUGA results! Getting good results back is always such a relief.
Mary - praying your CAT scan comes back with good results, hang in there!
Regarding SNB dye injections. I was definitely asleep for mine. I read in the surgeon's report that they injected the dye and then the nurse massaged my breast for a while. Anyone else get the dye while you were asleep?
Viddie, hope your fever has gone down...feel better!
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Hi Sisters..
Well the smaller doses of Taxol to minimize SE's makes sense but why not everyone. I am far from small and fragile, more like big and fragile ( fragile only on the mental side that is) I can't imagine the Onc. looking at someone and thinking yeah we can poison the heck outta her or no this one gets the smaller doses cause she's a wimp.Guess what I am trying to say is WHY? Why aren't we the same? I am so not looking forward to Happy Hour which is in less than an hour, suppose I should get dressed? Happy Good Friday! -
Hi,
I made it through the night without a fever. I took tylenol because my nurse told me I could since she knew my condition. I see the onc this afternoon. She will probably put me on an IV. My daughter is coming home for the weekend. She just graduated college in May and stayed in DC. I miss her terribly.
Hopefully the neulasta will kick in real soon. I do not want to be admitted to the hospital this weekend. Point 5 wbc is pretty low. Maybe it will go up today when they retest it.
I had a fight with my dh last night. He called me critical and ungrateful. I cried and told him that he only makes me cry. I also told him that this is my time and suck it up. He profusely apologized and told me that he loved me and enjoyed helping me. I apologized too after he did. His back has been bothering him a lot and he has not been able to sleep for 3 nights because of his back. Two sickies. My poor daughter- she hopefully will bring some cheer our way. Enough about me.
Amera, I also related to that story. Thanks for posting the link.
Melia,
I guess we both start taxol around the same time. We can compare notes.
Caya,
I am glad you are feeling better.
Skye,
You are almost done with your taxol. Way to go! That's great news about your Muga scan. I have mine on Monday.
Mer,
Congratulations on your last taxol.
Robertin,
I hope you are feeling better. Sending hugs your way.
Caya,
I know what you mean about matzo. I have been living on it. I have been making fried matzo every morning and loving it.
I am glad your doctor could help you.
Tina,
Kids do not mean what they say, but it hurts anyway. I know you know that, but it is hard to hear. I still remember when my son told me for he hated me around 16 years ago. I made him do his homework instead of going out to play. He is now 26.
Nancy,
I hope you are feeling better today.
Mizsissy,
I am glad you had a rewarding visit with the oncologist.
Time to have some fried matzo.
Viddie -
I had a fight with my husband too. I don't see how the cancer has changed his life a bit. And I asked him twice the other night to go away with me for four days after I finish chemo. I wanted to go mid July, since I finish chemo late June. He is training for a marathon, which he runs a couple of times a year. The marathon is late July. He won't go b/c he doesn't want to break his training. I think cancer trumps his run. He doesn't. So I am going alone. I find this hard to understand. I told him that in 39 years of marriage he has never hurt me this much. He is baffled. He is used to doing things his way, and I guess he is surprised that I care so much. Oh well, I am still going. I need to let this go.
melia -
Viddie - glad you made it through last night OK - I hope today is much better for you. Sorry to hear about the fight with your husband. As I was laying awake last night I was wondering about all of our husbands and how they are holding up as a group. Especially after the injuries, etc. I know mine must be exhausted at this point - but he's putting up a good front for me I guess.
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Melia - that stinks but I am glad you are going to take your vacation. You do need it. I am baffled sometimes by the husbands. I think I need to read that bc husband book everyone keeps talking about. Maybe it will give me some insight b/c I can't seem to understand this from their perspective at all. Maybe he gets some comfort or sense of control back from pretending that nothing has changed?
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Mary - waiting for test results has to be the worst anxiety. I hope you hear only good news and that you hear it soon.
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Hello all:
Had a good week, although DH forgot my birthday. He brought me home the most beautiful pink roses yesterday, and you could tell he felt really bad. Oh well, I still turned 52!! Yikes that sounds old.
Lynn, I also had my SNB while I was under the ether. How was your SEX party. What did you buy? Speaking of sex, our group doesn't talk about that much. I find that lately for Dan & I it is almost non-existent since starting chemo. Is this common? Or is this a taboo subject? Also, was anyone told not to have sex right after chemo for a few days?
I go for my radiation simulation on May 8. I will be getting my tattoos that day too. Who else is doing radiation, and starting in May?
Amera, I enjoyed that article on Johnathan Alter.
Cindy, you are very pretty bald, I wish I could say the same, but for some reason I was born with sticky out ears. Also, with no eyebrows, my nickname is Humpty.
Tina have fun at the museum. Tami, husbands are a trial sometimes.
Viddie, I ended up once in the ER with a temperature of 38.7. I'm suppose to go on anything over 38, but I waited, and it didn't get better. Can cause yourself problems if you don't watch fevers. My doctor now has me on CIPRO as a preventative from Days 5 to 12....nadir period.
Mary, I have had 2 MRI's and will be doing a 3rd one on May 1 for a spot on my liver. Actually have 3 spots, one they know is a cyst, one is a hemangioma, but the 3rd they're not sure. Waiting til chemo is over, and then they may do a biopsy.
Melia, hope you have a fabulous trip...where are you going?
Caya, that allergy is enough to make your "Bum Hum". Hope it clears soon.
Mizsissy, sounds like you are on the most effective medical protocol, and I'm glad you got the 2nd opinion. Peace of mind is important too. I would be willing to come to Michigan for a group meeting. I could fly into Toronto and meet up with the Ontario girls, and then we could maybe drive down. Have you ever heard of the Grand Hotel from the movie "Somewhere in Time". It might be a fun place to have a meeting for a weekend? Here's web link: http://www.grandhotel.com/
Nancy, hope your TX goes well today.
Jan, did you get a port? Also, are you still on FEC or did they switch you to one of the Taxanes? I'll be doing all 6 FEC.
Robertin, you sure have been thru alot. What are they giving you now for your diabetes?
Shorti, hope you are doing well, and I agree with you, I like scarves the best too.
RobbinJaye, I live in my own tropical world about 20 times a day. These hot flashes are the worst.
Rebecca are you okay...haven't seen a post from you in awhile.
Dar, did you start back to work?
T4T...hope you are better than you have been.
Love to all...Big Hugs
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Lynn, I also had my SNB while I was under the ether. How was your SEX party. What did you buy? Speaking of sex, our group doesn't talk about that much. I find that lately for Dan & I it is almost non-existent since starting chemo. Is this common? Or is this a taboo subject? Also, was anyone told not to have sex right after chemo for a few days?
haha, it wasn't a sex party, it was a sex toys party! Wouldn't want anyone to interpret that wrong. I wimped out and bought some shaving gel that supposed to be great and a soy candle that when you burn it, you then use the oil for massage, there is no wax in the candle. Thought that would be a treat.
I too have found that sex came almost to a complete hault a few weeks after I started chemo. I have been very upfront with dh telling him how worried I am that I am just not interested. I don't know if it's from menopause or just can't get myself out of the whole BC thing long enough to think about sex. I am worried though.
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