Anyone starting Chemo in Feb?
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Sybil - the fogginess is a side effect of the chemo - I experienced it also - in fact I had entire conversations with my sister the evening of chemo that I had no recollection of later when she referred to them. My personal belief is that it may be the steriods. It improves after a few days. Hope you continue to feel well.
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Just lost the whole lengthy posting and I don't have the energy to recreate it. Good vibes going out to all of you at the bar this week. I hope my friends who are on a similar schedule to mine are starting to feel better. I am, despite the crummy weather here in the Lehigh Valley.
Marsha, tell me where to send the donation...I think you deserve awesome boobs. As for a BNO, I need one of those right now!
A special hug for Tink. A baby girl...such a blessing (I have two daughters -- 15 and 17 now). -
Terry...selfish and shallow? I think not. Normal...yes. Go for it. I figure boobs should at least match...heh.. Besides, nursing 4 babies (I nursed 3)...I figure a good boob job is well deserved.
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I just attach two booby pins from the wig to this strip and the wig is really secure.
Laughing at Lynne's typo...sorry my sense of humor sucks. -
Carynn, You are too sweet. Hope all goes well tomorrow for you and the other girls at the bar. Isn't this your last a/c? I found out yesterday that I will have 2 weeks off betweem the last Taxol and the first FAC. Take care.:) Sammie Kay
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Twink, LOL....freudian slip?
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Theresa, Glad you are feeling better. I had expanders filled yesterday and thought of you. Told my PS to be careful. He used what I call a "stud finder" some kind of magnet that locates the port, but even with that, things can happen. You are in my thoughts and prayers. Sammie Kay
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Carynn, thinking of you for tomorrow...
Big hugs,
CatherineH -
Hi everyone
Had a quick read through several pages of postings. No bar for me this week because on Monday night I ended up in hospital wth a kidney infection. I waited much longer than I should have before ringing Oncology and was told to come straight into hospital. So I have just got home with enough drugs to start a pharmacy. Chemo is delayed until next week all going well.
It was an eye opener being on that ward- so many really sick people. BC is devastating but we have so much hope of beating it. Nevertheless despite the sadness there were some great laughs - I was in with 3 ladies, two just a little older and one elderly but very naughty and we laughed and cried together. It was great to hear her stand up to the doctors and insist things were done before she went home. Cancer patients seem to have so much spirit.
I am tired now so will read all the posts later.
Hope those who had bar reservations for Thursady get to the bar. Not sure who will be with me next week.
Alyson -
Terry - I don't recall who does and doesn't have insurance anymore but if you do, by law they have to cover procedures to the non-diseased breast to produce symmetry, be it reduction, augmentation, lift, etc.
Carynn - Good luck today (and anyone else - haven't paid much attention to the bar list recently).
Karen - congrats, you're done! Hopefully you'll feel up to at least a little celebration.
Twink - maybe we should put together a BNO for the PA gals when we get finished with this crap.
Off to work. Hugs to all!
Phyl -
Good morning...
Just checking in and then off to work. I am so exhausted today and wonder why I am trying to work full time. But then I do feel better most days.
Am going to LGFB class tonite...will let you know all about that.
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Ahhhhhh......a normal night at BNO with all my girls. Laughter, good food, and special hugs. My wish for all of you "Broads" is to have the same kind of friendships with a special group of gals who look at you the same and yet different. The difference? Written all over their faces "Thank God you are alive". There are 5 of us, we meet EVERY Wednesday and all our hubbys get along too. 5 special friends, 5 special couples, I am so lucky. One of the guys said to me last night "As beautiful as your hair was, you are just as beautiful without it." I almost cried. OK on to another subject cause I could cry just trying to write about it!
Karen, I wish I could hop on a plane and hug you till you feel better. And about the taxol, here is hoping YOU are the one who has no side effects at all! I swear after what you have been through, I'd take extra bone pain if it meant you had none.
Alyson, wow, hope you are better. Every time we go a while without hearing from someone I worry they are in the hospital! We were all told I guess that could happen with the counts leaving us so vunerable.
Terry, selfish and shallow? Don't be silly. We all want our arms to be the same length, our legs the same, etc etc why should we not want our breast to be the same? I think that is perfectly normal.
Have you guys noticed the SE are running almost exactly the same timing for all? You can go back and read and know right where all the concerns are. Food is now the biggy for everyone it seems. So odd to not taste it! Thanks to Catherine for at least describing what something is suppose to taste like. I have a huge imagination and was able to at least imagine the taste she described! LOL
Twink, you are as sweet as you are funny. Laughing at booby pin.
SammieKay, laughing at stud finder.
Sybil, know the foggy brain well. Looked for the remote control not long ago for 10 minutes. It was in my hand.
Carynn, girl, how is it going? #4 kick your butt today? The constant counts up and down are probably why we are all feeling so lousy.
Palms, let us hear from you, we all remember the first one very well.
Have a great day gals.............XOXO Marsha -
Yeah...the foggy brain thing. I couldn't remember the name of the vegetable we'd had with dinner. I sat quietly, picturing it, trying to will the name to my lips. Finally, I broke down and asked the 17 y.o.... 'Hey, what was the name of that veg we had with dinner?' She looked at me oddly and said 'cauliflower'. Hmmmpht...dang, I hate that. The fogginess seems to lift about 8 days out for me...just in time to get whacked again.
Phyl, I'm definitely interested in a PA BNO! There's a few of us Pa girls here...Hillary, right?
Catherine, your description of food is soothing and mouth watering. I love your writing.
Marsha, laugh, but I'm serious about the donation thing. Honestly, I mean it.
Carynn...thinking about you today. Here's the mantra... last AC, last AC, last AC...yay! -
Hillary's question... Are you getting just the test with just the frequent mutations checked or are they checking everything? The first test -- looking for the brca1/brca2 "hotspots" only takes a couple of weeks. The second test -- looking for anything different about your brca1/2 genes -- takes several weeks.
This genetic testing definatly will take several weeks so must be the second one you are talking about? She said if I have the gene then it will up my chances of reaccurance by 50-65% despite any treatments I am having now and I would need a masectomy on down the road.
Terry I had two lumpectomies, one done in Nov 06 by one surgeon and another done in January 07 with the surgeon I have now. My right breast is perkier than the left! I had twice as much taken out of my right and the scar is from the nipple to the top of the breast so I guess it pulled it up somehow. Its pretty noticable without a bra on as my 44D puppies hang low these days. I always wondered if the mammograms were pulling them lower and lower or if its just old age (51 or both)! -
Hi Folks!
Speaking of foggy brains, what's a BNO? In addition to fogginess, I'm having the dropsies today. I dropped two different bags of groceries, losing 4 bagels from one and breaking one plastic container of soup from the other.
Marsha -- I'm came up with three ideas to pay for your new boobs ...
(1) Have your theater friends hold a benefit ...
(2) Get onto one of those makeover reality programs ...
(3) Go onto EBay and auction off naming rights for your new "girls" ...
-- Hillary -
OMG - LOL! Extreme Boob Makeover!
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Hillary, laugh out loud and keep em coming. What started out as a joke Buy Marsha Boobs Fund has taken a different tone. Yes, the theatre idea. My friends and I have done a fund raiser for the college here every year for 9 years. We are their biggest fund raiser (for scholarships in the arts). We have our own stage, know (or are) the best lighting/sound guy, scene designer, director, actors, a huge costume shop to play in, stage managers, and props galore. One of my friends is a caterer. All we would need is the venue and a way to sell the ticket. We could do 4 shows in one weekend, building the set in a day. The more we've thought of it, it will cost us basically nothing to put together.
Twink, you and maybe Vegas and Carynn will get a kick of this: While discussing fund raising ideas my friend Rick (computer geek and very analytical) was quiet and finally spoke up and said "I have an idea but don't laugh and don't dismiss it till I lay it all out" And proceeded to tell this: He wants to rent a bus that seats 150 people. Sell tickets for $100 each and here is what they get---Bus ride down to Orlando, admission into Rachael's (A very upscale "mans" club, don't you think they would let 150 in for free??) and $50 in one dollar bills. No car pooling, no designated driver, a bunch of guys whooping it up and home. He figured $40 of that is profit per person. $6000. Are you stunned? Me too. We just looked at him. Then as one we all started laughing. Good Lord, that could work.
Yes I have crazy friends, but they are here for me. Marsha -
omg! I am at work and killing some time before I go to LGFB class at 6:00...thought I would check in with you all to see what has been going on today....you guys are too much! I love the fund raising ideas! I see you have been having way too much fun today and while I was working!
You are too much. Sitting at my desk laughing to myself. Glad no one else is here to see me!
Where are the other PA girls?? I am in Blair County - Altoona area.
So...Terry, Hillary, Phyl, Twink....anyone else??
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Good morning all
Feel quite good this morning, its wonderful what a good sleep can do.
Thought I should say that my right boob and port-a-cath are going to be stars. 3M in NZ wanted to do some educational publicity of a new dressing made for pot-a-caths when in use. So was asked if they could take a series of photos of mine. This enlivened my hospital stay.
As did the little bit of fum I had with my wig. I didn't have it on when I went into hospital. On Thursday asked DH to bring it in as I hoped to get out later in the day. The others in the room wanted to see it so put it on. My nurse walked in shortly after looked at me, I was sitting beside one of the other beds, she walked out, came back, then asked the lady I was talking to if I had gone to the bathroom. Everyone just laughed. Kate(nurse) said she didn't recognise me with the wig on.
Love the fund raising ideas Marsha. Crazy friends are wonderful but they often have great ideas.
Most go and check my drug list - it is so complicated that the chemo brain just can't cope.
Hope everyone has a Happy Easter.
Alyson -
OK, Twink, Marsha, someone -- what is a BNO? I'm dying of curiousity!
Twink, Terry, Phyl -- yes, I'm also a PA girl. I live in the Philly surburbs. In fact, if any of you are ever coming to Philly, let me know. I'm only a 20 minute ride from Center City.
Now Marsha -- why do you think that only Twink, Vegas and Carynn would get a kick our of your friend Rick's idea. I think that you should combine that with the auction for naming rights of your new boobs!
Alyson -- Glad you're doing better! That must have been scary to have to go to hospital. It is a lesson for all of us -- don't wait to call the onc if we have wierd symptoms. That's what they are paid for! But, the story about the wig and the nurse is hillarious!
Sybil -- I also use the wig gripper. I got mine from ACS through their tlc catalog. I like buying things from them because I figure that any profit will be used well.
Karen -- I really do hope that you have an easier time of taxol. I hear you about the hair, but I'm having a different problem. When my hair started falling out, my hairdresser buzzed rather than shaved, because he was worried that my scalp was too sensitive. Eventually all the black hairs fell out, but I'm left with white fuzz all over my head. It's not very attractive!
Catherine -- I thought of you and your healthy meals as I ate my well-balanced dinner, cooked by a neighbor! I can tell that I'm feeling better when my stomach can cope with watching the cooking programs, but it still hasn't translated into wanting to cook!
Hope that Carynn, Karen, Sybil, Palms, and SammieKay and doing OK after their bar sessions. I saw someone on another thread call hers a "chemopolitan"!
Lots of love,
Hillary -
Broad's Night Out... hehe
As for Pa girls...there's another out there, right Sandy? Let's try and do something once we're thru our Tx. I think Sandy and I may get together sooner since we're almost neighbors.
Marsha I love your crazy friend's idea. It's the crazy ones you have to watch out for...sleepers. You know, between that and a theater fund raiser, you might have it covered...dontcha think?
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Hi everyone,
Sorry I haven't been in touch lately. Had first Taxol on Tuesday with no allergic reaction. They had me take 5 decadron the night before, morning of, but then changed their minds and did not give it to me in the IV, just aloxi. I think because people complain about the side effects so much. Decadron for 3 days after also. The only other thing I'm taking is the glutamine powder for bone/joint aches but I've had very little so far and hope it continues. No nausea either. So, all in all, feeling pretty good except the decadron makes me weepy and not sleepy.
Looking for a past post:
I'm not sure where I saw a post a few weeks ago (on this board or another - maybe 4Sybil) but I can't seem to find it anywhere. Now that I'm getting closer to the end of tx, I have to revisit the Her2 borderline test yet once again. Still can't believe this issue is not resolved. Anyway, someone had mentioned (probably a few weeks or so ago) that they had gone to at least two oncs that gave numbers that they considered negative when borderline positive. I remember being happy to read it but wanted to go back to the post again but can't for the life of me find it. If anyone knows, I'd really appreciate it.
Hope everyone is feeling well this week.
Linnie -
Doing well this week...worked in yard all day today in preparation for the wet and cold Easter we're supposed to have. 1st Taxol for me on 4-15-07. Hope it's not as TAXing as AC.
Take care all!
Pat -
OK girls....just checking in. I am dragging big time and never even made it to the bar - go figure. I awoke on chemo day with a virus - swollen glands and felt like a freight train had run over me! Called onc and was told to I had to hold off. I am still feeling lousy but praying my immunity will bump back up quickly so I can get this started and behind me! Hope you all are feeling good.
Happy Easter -
Oh Palms! I am so sorry. Nothing like working yourself up mentally for the big day and then not going. Now you get to do the psyche part all over again. I got a viral infection and fever too this week, and was unable to do my first round of taxotere, so I know exactly how you must feel. I am hoping the fever is gone by Monday so I can get going on this, get through it and get over it.
Marsha, I absolutely LOVE your marketing idea! (Maybe your friend the computer geek isn't quite as geeky as you thinkg he is! LOL) You could pitch it so that every guy on the bus trip gets to vote for the pair of boobies in the gentleman's club that he thinks you should buy!
I can just see the banner on the outside of the bus now: "Marsha's Boobies or Bust" -
Carynn, how did it go today?? Hope to hear from you in the morning to report that you are faring OK...
Vegas, Twink, Marsha... what a fun group!!! I wish Marsha a great outcome from these boob-storming sessions...
You all have sweet dreams,
Hugs,
CatherineH -
Hi all What a day! This is the first time Ive had to sit and relax!
We stopped and picked up the bagels for the nurses and office staff it was a big hit! Glad I picked mine out before I handed them over!
Saw the Onc she is pleased that the tumor is profoundly smaller than the last visit. She thinks the Taxol could finish it off. Of course she had to throw in that it would also get rid of any of my remaining hair! Not that I have much 5:00 shadow on the head extremely thin eyelashes thinning brows..and lets just say swim suit season will be a breeze. We talked about the differences between Taxol and Taxetore. Were sticking with Taxol. She also okayed the l-glutimine. I asked if she had any more PAs she wanted me to get rid of for her. She cracked up and also told me the very next day was indeed his last day. Anyway got the low down on the Taxol and the instructions for decadron. Yikes, more days without sleep! They did say to try Tylenol PM if I dont want a sleeping pill the active ingredient is Benedryl I didnt know that!
Had a new nurse today. She told me shes been doing this for years but is new to the office. Stuck my port and even with the spray it did hurt a little bit. Then she couldnt get the blood out. Went to flush it, no luck. Jiggled the needle, and it came out. So, stuck me again, hurt a little more, flushed it, but then it worked fine. Odd. Infusions went fine, but finished in half the time. I was concerned about another headache, because it went so fast, but so far so good. I did feel loopy and tired after, but no worries, Ill just go home, answer some emails and get a good nap. WRONG. Evidently Im much, much more important that I thought. I logged in to work just to catch up my emails. I worked straight from 12::00 to 6:00, stopped for dinner and back until just now. My day is cut out for me tomorrow as well. Not complaining tho, being that busy might be why Im only wiped out, and not utterly and completely wiped out.
Alyson Im so sorry you ended up in the hospital but it sounds like you made the best of a crummy situation. Last Monday my contract PM showed up sick for work, I made him go home! Too funny about the nurse not recognizing you. Ill cut her some slack and not make my usual derogatory attention to detail comment. And congrats on the photo shoot. Can I have your autograph? LOL
Terry let us know how the LGFB class goes. I still havent been able to get into one with my schedule. I really want too!
Twink LOL on the forgotten words. I now look at that as part of my charm.
Palms sure hope you are feeling better soon. Hopefully it will run its course very soon. I know with me I stared chemo (surgery too) with a cold. Since my cough wasnt deep and I didnt have a fever, we went forward. I still have the cough, Onc said today to expect it to hang on longer, but it isnt causing issues. Hopefully youll have the same luck.
Marsha Ill get right to work on the PowerPoint presentation with names for the Boobalicious fundraiser.
Have a great night all. And best to anyone I may have missed. See you tomorrow.
Carynn -
Palms - so sorry to hear about your delay. How frustrating.
Pat - I assume you're on the bubble for the 16th, not the 15th?
Linnie - great to finally hear from you. We were all wondering. Thank you so much for sharing your first Taxol experience. Sounds pretty harmless so far.
Twink, Terry, Hillary and Sandy - I think we're working on a plan. Not sure where Sandy's from, but at least 3 of you are in the same quadrant of the state. I get to Philly 3 or 4 times a year for business but anywhere between Allentown and Philly will be no problem for me anytime. Terry's the one who's gonna have quite a drive.
Vegas - sure hope to see ya at the bar Monday. Could use someone to talk to. I've been accustomed to spending a couple hours at the center - this one will be substantially longer.
I found some info on our taste issues on Scott Hamilton's chemocare website. I've copied it here - hope I'm not violating any website policies (I have seen other copy/paste text) - it really does answer some questions.
Taste Changes
There are 4 main types of taste: Sweet, sour, bitter, and salt. Sense of taste is primarily located on the tongue. Each type of taste is located within taste buds on different sections of the tongue. As you chew your food, it mixes with saliva and as it comes in contact with the taste buds, messages are sent to the brain regarding your sense of taste. The brain processes the messages and helps you identify different tastes.
What are taste changes?
Taste changes are common during chemotherapy. The exact reason for taste changes is not clear, although it is thought that it is a result of the damage to the cells in the oral cavity, which are especially sensitive to chemotherapy.
About 50% of patients getting chemotherapy experience taste changes.
Drugs most commonly associated with taste changes include carboplatin, cisplatin, cyclophosphamide, dacarbazine, dactinomycin, doxorubicin, 5-fluorouracil, levamisole, mechlorethamine, methotrexate, paclitaxel, and vincristine.
Most people report taste changes involving a lower threshold for bitter tastes and a higher threshold for sweet tastes.
Some drugs also produce a metal taste during the actual intravenous infusion. These include nitrogen mustard, vincristine, cisplatin, and cyclophosphamide.
In addition, the association between taste of food and chemotheraphy may lead to taste changes. Chemotherapy loss of sense of taste can occur purely from the association of an experience of nausea and vomiting with chemotherapy.
Taste changes may occur during therapy and last for hours, days, weeks, or even months after chemotherapy.
Taste changes are also common in people taking biologic therapies such as interleukin-2, and interferons. Most people report taste changes involving a decreased threshold for spicy foods, describing most food as bland, bitter, like chemicals or medicine. Both the cause and duration of taste changes associated with biologic therapy is unclear.
Things you can do to manage taste changes:
Maintain good oral hygiene - brush your teeth before and after each meal.
Choose and prepare foods that look and smell good to you.
Eat small, frequent meals.
Do not eat 1-2 hours before chemotherapy and up to 3 hours after therapy.
Use plastic utensils if food tastes like metal.
Eat mints (or sugar-free mints), chew gum (or sugar-free gum) or chew ice to mask the bitter or metallic taste.
Substitute poultry, eggs, fish, peanut butter, beans and dairy products for red meats.
Marinate meats in sweet fruit juices, wines, salad dressing, barbeque sauce, or sweet and sour sauces.
Flavor foods with herbs, spices, sugar, lemon, and tasty sauces.
Chilled or frozen food may be more acceptable than warm or hot food.
Try tart foods such as oranges or lemonade (this may be painful if mouth sores are present).
Avoid cigarette smoking.
Eliminate bad odors.
Eat in pleasant surroundings to better manage taste changes.
Increase your fluid intake.
There is no one magic solution for taste changes that suits everyone. Finding foods that taste appealing may be a process of trial and error. Some people who experience taste changes avoid their favorite foods to prevent the possibility of spoiling them for the future.
There are no medications that address taste changes. However, some studies have suggested that deficiencies in zinc, copper, nickel, niacin and vitamin A may contribute to taste changes. Do not take more than 100% of the recommended daily allowance. Remember, you should discuss taking vitamins or any other "remedies" with your doctor before you begin.
When to call your health care provider about taste changes:
If your taste changes have caused you to stop eating and you have lost 5 or more pounds, you should inform your health care provider.
Note: We strongly encourage you to talk with your health care professional about your specific medical condition and treatments. The information contained in this website about taste changes and other medical conditions is meant to be helpful and educational, but is not a substitute for medical advice.
Hugs to all today and wishes for a happy and uneventful Easter weekend.
Phyl -
Good morning all...
Guess why my port has been infected and sore?? There was a stitch still in the incision...it came out this morning with some pussy stuff...washed it with some alcohol and covered with a bandaid. But it feels much better now and hopefully that will be the end of that! The warm water in the shower this morning must have done the trick.
LGFB ...actually was a very nice evening. But didn't turn out how I expected. I walked in and the facilitator had forgotten my makeup kit. there were 3 other BC women there, so we started talking. Turns out the LGFB is part of a support group called Stars of Hope. The facilitor saw that talking was actually what we needed. So we decided to postpone the makeup session until the next class...1st Thrus of May. It actually was very helpful...Then we went to a tea shop and saw a presentation on teas. This was actually owned by a friend of mine. So I was able to get some of the ginger tea he had given me samples of and does seem to settle my stomach.
I am not sure I want to go to a support group every month, but it was helpful to me and I met one newly diagnosed women around my age and we spent some time together talking. She said I was an inspiration to her now. I don't feel like an inspiration, but sometimes things happen for a reason. So maybe this has some wierd purpose for me.
So I will update you in May on LGFB again!
Well, got to get ready for work....love to all of you.
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Phyl -- thanks for the comprehensive post on the taste issue. I have to say that my problem is not as bad as some of you are describing. At this point though I feel that the entire inside of my mouth, especially my palate and gums are 'scarred'...like the membrane has been burned and healed.
Terry -- I didn't realize the LGFB program was ongoing. I thought it was a 'one-shot' deal. I registered to attend the April 16th one here locally and will meet Sandy there (she's in Lehigh Co. too). As for the PA BNO, July timeframe sounds like it might work for me....chemo done at the end of May, surgery to follow (and rads ??). Let's plan on it...we can start by selecting a location -- I'm open to almost anything. Philly sounds like fun ...gets me out of the small town for a night.
Marsha -- this plan is starting to take shape. With a name like The Boobalicious Fundraiser (LOL Carynn) who'll be able to resist? Hell, I want to participate!
Linnie -- I was browsing the earlier posts in this forum (Feb Chemo...) and Marsha and a couple of other women did a pretty good job of explaining the HER tests and results. Go back to pages 1 - 3 I think you'll find your answer.
Carynn -- Go girl! I do think work is a good distraction personally. Glad to see it works for you. Hope you fare well over the next few days. Seems to take me about 5 or 6 days to get back to normal. This whole Taxol / Taxotere decision has me in a bit of a tizzy...onc says Taxotere causes fewer SEs (during infusion and following) and the material I've found online seems to support that. He says they're both equally effective. Why wouldn't one chose to do Taxotere if that's the case? Argh!
Palms -- What a drag! It's so much better to get that first one behind you. I hope you're feeling better soon and can get the treatment started.
C'mon Catherine and Vegas and others...you can join the 'fun group' too...you've already met a few initiation criteria (smiling). Laughing at "boob-storming" and "boobs or bust"...hahahah
It's Easter weekend, I forgot to buy any sweets for the kids or anything for Easter dinner so I guess I'll be braving the grocery store and mall today. Blech. I just feel like sitting here on my a** all day (although it is getting sore from sitting so much).
I amused myself this morning by composing a sonnet for nose hairs...I thought I'd share it with you here...
A Sonnet for Olfactory Cilia
Let me talk of olfactry cilia
Those little hair-like cells which line your nose
To fill a role you may call trivial
By keeping at bay all ilk of nasty foes
~ * ~
Filtering bugs and dust and dirt all day
Prevent the snot from dripping unconstrained
Beating strong to draw mucous up and away
Saved the embarrassment by flow contained
~ * ~
Soft humidity of nasal passages
Maintained with trapped moisture from our air
Become painful dry openings ravaged
As barren as those distant deserts sere
~ * ~
What of all these indignities endured?
Perhaps grow stronger or at least inured.
~ * ~
(Iambic pentameter a little off...but, it's work in progress)
Hugs all around.
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