Has anyone quit or reduced dosage of the hormonal therapy?
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Changing the medication is very helpful to most of us. I was in letrozole for over 2 years and SE were getting worst by the day. It was like a poison, drop-drop every day and my body and mind couldn't take it anymore. I turned yellowish even though the liver tests were fine. I finally told my MO in February and he gave me a break for 6 weeks and started on Aromasin. What a big difference! It is been 5 months in Aromasin and I feel so much better.
For us users of AI, we have 3 options: letrozole, anastrozole and aromasin (exemestane). While the first 2 are the same family, Aromasin works differently and can be a better replacement if letrozole or anastrozole doesn't work for you. My MO told me I needed a break for 6 weeks for the body to clear letrozole SE and reset before going to the next medication.
On the other hand, we need to be realistic that these anti-cancer medications are strong and have SE but hopefully, they are keeping cancer under control. I imagine that removing our most important hormone, estrogen, is not easy in our bodies.
Dani44, I can see that you have ILC like me. I thought tamoxifen is not the best for ILC.
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It is truly a struggle to know what to do. I like many others have reduced my tamoxifen to just 5mg per day. That has lessened the side effects but has increased the thoughts of potentially getting a recurrence or a new primary. It is very stressful. How do we balance? It weighs on my mind when I stare at that pill every day.
Currently, I am awaiting for my pathology report on a D/C that needed to be performed because my uterine lining had thickened to 14mm which could be attributed by Tamoxifen.
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mom2bill- uggg I am sorry you didn’t have relief after stopping tam. I really hate the way it makes me feel and I totally understand the desperation for a reprieve. On a side note, I use a magnesium lotion on my calves before bed and it really seems to help my leg cramps. All the best as you start back up on tamoxifen.
Old lady blue- I hope you have the best party ever for that birthday, you absolutely deserve it!!
Molliefish- I am sorry you are dealing with a new primary. Cancer is such a sneaky little jerk. I so agree about QOL, mentally and physically. It has to matter. I get so tired mentally when thinking how much my body has changed. If stopping or altering the dose of tamoxifen can bring back a little piece of the old me I am willing to take the risk. I hope your upcoming surgery goes well.
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Dani444 the magnesium cream and a pair of good quality compression socks work wonders for me when the leg cramps fire up.
Also, I will echo Lillyishere - I had also heard that Tam not the best option for ILC
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Yes, I cut the dose in half after 6 months (Arimidex, also tried Exemestane). And in consult with the oncologist , I will stop altogether in a few more months (total of 13 months of what I call "the evil pill"). I have Rheumatoid Arthritis and I understand it's just a bad combination. I believe I have now had every side effect except bone loss (i negotiated a good rate so I could have the bone density test more frequently).
1. We all know the AI's are amazingly effective - cutting the risk in half of metastases.
2. BUT I am not sure we all know that the benefit is not spread evenly over the 5 years - it is "front end loaded" so that much of it is in year one, then diminishing returns. So depending on your risk profile from Oncotype or something else, 5 years may not make a lot of sense (or it might). (this distribution of benefit was told to me first by Duke Univ oncologist and then confirmed - albeit reluctantly it seemed - by my local MD)
3. My side effects have not 'evened out' - they've continued to worsen. So in addition to my afternoon "fatigue wall" and "extra" joint pain, my list includes severe dry eye that may risk damage to eyes after 2 years on AI, bizarre tendinitis I have never had, elevated BP, "trigger finger", various muscle issues and so on.
Finally , what is so frustrating to me is that while you can find dozens of studies being done to LENGTHEN the time women take this, "they" have not even tried to find the lowest effective dose - and as one MD put it, whatever that is will surely be less than what I have been taking. I believe in my heart it will be like birth control pills - it took so long to lower the doses that women for decades took 20-30 times higher doses than needed. I think that will be the AI story ---
but I am unlucky in that I have Rheumatoid but very very lucky with the type of cancer I got (mucinous) and a very favorable risk profile. But 13 months will be it for me and the AI.
Wishing you all the best
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I quit Letrozole after 6 months. Now, 2 1/2 years after quitting, I have breast cancer again, in my other breast. I had IDC in 2003, followed by two lumpectomies, 24 nodes removed, all negative, (due to failed SNB), chemo and radiation, then ILC in Dec 2018 in the same breast, treated with mastectomy in 2019 and Letrozole.
I don't think staying on Letrozole would have changed things, maybe delayed them, but I will never know. I also wanted a bilateral mastectomy in Jan 2019, but my surgeon at the time refused to remove a healthy breast. I don't look back at things I can't change, only things that I can learn from.
On the upside, I switched to a breast surgeon at a local hospital, from a city cancer hospital where I was treated in 2018 and followed until I switched. I had an appointment with this surgeon prior to my diagnosis, which was great because the previous two times I was diagnosed, the surgeon was assigned to me. I really like and trust both my breast surgeon and plastic surgeon. I even saw a medical oncologist per my new breast surgeon's request. Ironically I made the appointment with the oncologist for the day after my mammogram expecting to just re-visit the Letrozole issue. Instead, I came to that appointment knowing my mammogram was BIRADs 4, and was already scheduled for a biopsy. I was pretty sure I had cancer again. The oncologist said after going over my history and the reasons I didn't want to take the Letrozole, that we can go over this again, once I know exactly what I am facing. In other words, after I get the surgical pathology report. I will have my surgery in mid-October.
*Someone, I believe on this thread, said to me when I was trying to decide to stay on or go off: "Just make sure you will not blame yourself if you stop the Letrozole and the cancer comes back!" Great advice. I don't blame myself, for me it was the right choice. My cancer didn't come back exactly, but I have no idea, if the Letrozole would have prevented the cancer in my opposite breast, since it was very likely there in 2019, just not detectable. This time I have DCIS with microinvasion. I heard there are studies that are using Letrozole instead of surgery for DCIS. Doesn't make a difference in my case. I am moving forward and not at all feeling regret with my choice.
Treatments are totally PERSONAL! We can hear what others do, get comfort in sharing experiences, but in the end, we are all individuals and must choose our own path to take.
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beachnc, Wow, I never knew that about the AI's, meaning you get the most benefit in year 1! How come they don't tell us that! Sheesh! I managed 3 years on letrozole, and that is it. I just can't do it anymore. Mavericksmom, I am so sorry you must face this again. Thank goodness, it was found. Best of luck.
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I'm confused as to how the most benefit would be year 1. Our risk of recurrence itself increases each year due to BC often comes back so the further out you go, the greater risk it will come back. And, the AI decreases the amount of estrogen the body produces so it slows down any growth. I wonder if what they mean is the AI still cuts your risk but not as much because the risk goes up each year out. So, it is continuing to slow down any cancer growth which increases the likelihood of us being alive longer but not stopping recurrence. And, after 5 years any cancer that is there will then be found but can be treated which is the reason we take it 5 years.
AI also do not decrease risk of mortality compared to tamoxifen but it reduces recurrence which means we will likelylive longer without a recurrence if on it.
I do agree we are taking more than may be needed. These drugs are unfortunately too cheap for anyone to study because they will not profit from selling it.
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Mavericksmom, so sorry to hear you are going to be doing the cancer battle again. It's hard to know when the cancer actually started in your other breast. Is it "new", was it there and just undetected, etc? I've had 3 different doctors tell me 3 different ideas on when my tumor actually started. I wonder if doctors are daily taking their "best guess" in trying to help their patients?
Edwards750, thank you for your post earlier when I was trying to decide to stop my AI or not. I appreciated very much your comment: "Good luck in your decision. Do what's best for you and your husband. Life is too short to do otherwise."
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oldladyblue, my recent Dx is not a recurrence of the ILC I had in 2018/2019. I had IDC in 2003, and it is similar to that. This time it is high grade DCIS with microinvasion. I don't regret not taking Letrozole one bit! I have no intention of taking an AI after this surgery. Of course, that isn't etched in stone. Honestly, after I got my Oncotype score in 2019, there was such a small difference between taking an AI and not taking and AI, that I didn't see the point of taking it.
I do not like to mess with my hormones, and health wise, I think not taking them allowed me to be much healthier than I would be had I taken Letrozole longer. My sister takes an AI and has had no ill effects. To me it is personal preference, and each woman needs to evaluate if an IA is beneficial for them or not. It really doesn't matter what anyone else does or doesn't do.
I feel extremely lucky that my cancers were all found very early.
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I too am confused the they AI’s are most beneficial in the first year. I was told that the radiation as well as the chemo hangs around for quite some time and I would think that would stretch out the chances of early reoccurrence.
I take a half of a letrozole Monday/Wed/Fri. That’s all I can handle and have any quality of life. Some weeks I try for a 4th dose on Saturday or Sunday night but the side effects are awful and i have very painful arthritis in my shoulder.
I am also concerned about my eye sight. Has anyone experienced a sharp decline in their eye sight
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Mavericksmom, what is an Oncotype score and how does it effect reoccurrence?
I completely agree, it’s a personal choice, just like a lumpectomy versus a mastectomy and implants versus nothing. If there was 1 way to approach cancer there would only be 1 book, … or 1 website with the knowledge and all the answers we need.
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trippositive, Oncotype Dx is a test on a cancerous tumor which gives an indication as to whether or not chemotherapy would be beneficial. It also gives scores for recurrence when using an AI or Tamoxifen. Oncologists go over the results in detail with their patients. You can get more information simply by Googling Oncotype Dx.
Hope this helps.
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