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  • ElaineTherese
    ElaineTherese Member Posts: 3,328
    edited April 2022

    Katiss!

    It was great to hear from you again. Glad to hear that you're doing well!

  • gamzu710
    gamzu710 Member Posts: 214
    edited April 2022

    Stress and anxiety have been ratcheting up steadily for my upcoming MRI ever since I made the appointment. Getting bad flashbacks to the terror and uncertainty of last August and knowing everything could be thrown upside down again just when I feel like I'm getting my feet under me is doing my head in. I know i have to learn to just deal with this.

    My current fixation is that biopsy clip that fell out last year when I had that MRI-guided biopsy that went a bit wrong and left a big open wound from which the clip emerged a few days later in a gelatinous mass like the movie Alien. It's totally healed now but has left a small visible deformity. I can only imagine what it looks like inside. Will they be able to tell what the deal is even without the clip? My fear is of getting a different radiologist who reads the images, sees whatever internally scarred mess was left without a clip, and goes, "What's that? Better biopsy that!" and I get stuck in some dystopian merry-go-round. I'm not giving them enough credit, right? Right???

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited April 2022

    kattis - good to see you again!

    gamzu - is it possible to speak to the radiologist (maybe on the phone?) who will read your MRI in advance of the imaging? I would want to make sure they have the whole previous story. You never know what documentation they have and will consider when looking at the results, and there could be information gaps. One good thing is that because MRI shows slices it is more dynamic imaging than mammo or US.

  • Nsbrown54
    Nsbrown54 Member Posts: 908
    edited April 2022

    Not sure where to post this question. I got my port out in 9/2021. Been having pain in area where my port was located. I mentioned it to my PS (was being checked for recent implant surgery). He said I had scar tissue where my port was located. I’ve been using arnica cream to see if that helps alleviate the pain, but didn’t know if there’s something better for scar tissue. I see my breast surgeon in 2 weeks, so I’ll ask her about it as well.


  • Joules44
    Joules44 Member Posts: 51
    edited April 2022

    Y'all I just found the most amazing Holy Grail of a website that I wanted to share with you. You're probably already aware of it but it's new to me: https://foodforbreastcancer.com/

    It has a breakdown of recommended foods and foods to avoid, both during treatment and afterwards. It is chock full of the science behind how each food affects our bodies. I am so happy and I wish I had known about it during my chemo. Hopefully it will be of help to you all. Enjoy! I'm gonna go eat some carrots! :)

  • hapa
    hapa Member Posts: 920
    edited May 2022

    phelps - He didn't say, but the dude never says anything is a bad sign, he'll only point out the good signs. I assume it being HER2- means the TCHP worked on the HER2+ stuff.

    Now I'm freaked out. Either I have started getting my period again 4 years PFC or something is going terribly wrong down there. I messaged my MO but of course won't hear back until Monday at the earliest.

  • gamzu710
    gamzu710 Member Posts: 214
    edited May 2022

    In the first good news I've ever had from an imaging study since this all started, my 6-month follow up MRI results just came in and are clear. We're continuing to follow a BIRADS 3 probable internal mammary lymph node but the report says it's unchanged from the previous study. No mention of any mess at the missing clip site.

    Starting to get some joint pain from the exemestane and it's doing my head in a little bit; I've got this sore spot on my spine that I think is muscular and due to the exemestane because it just feels like stiffness after I get up (like after I sleep) and I can stretch it out by hyperextending and bending forward a few times and then it's gone in a minute. But how do you know what's side effects and what could be bone mets? This is on my list of questions for my MO because aches and pains is very much a known thing with exemestane and I'm sure I'm not the first patient to ask.

    I also became an aunt over the weekend, as my brother and his wife had a baby girl. Multiple people, including my brother, have said she looks just like me, and I definitely see it! My brother and I look pretty similar so it's not too surprising. Given that having my own biological children may be a pipe dream, I am ALL ABOUT this baby and am thrilled to be an aunt and that my parents have a grandchild. We're going out to visit next month. The last time I visited them was when I got my cancer diagnosis, so we're trying to replace those memories!

  • Nsbrown54
    Nsbrown54 Member Posts: 908
    edited May 2022

    gamzu710- congratulations on becoming an Aunt! How exciting.

    I’m on anastrozole and usually assume my joint pain is from my AI drug. However, if something feels unusual from my usual aches and pains I head to the doctor to get it checked out. I feel like a hypochondriac but I usually end up getting an X-ray or MRI, doing PT and the pain improves.

  • 1982M
    1982M Member Posts: 300
    edited May 2022

    Also want to say congratulations on becoming an Aunt gamzu! I’m on tamoxifen so can’t help you with the anastrole. I’ve been on tamoxifen for 7 weeks and it’s been good. I did have some hip pain/hot flashes but they already have disappeared! I’m hoping this continues on. I don’t even really know I’m taking anything so far.


  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited May 2022

    gamzu - congrats on being an auntie! Yay! As far as the pain, I would question any pain that resolves fairly easily being mets - most likely stiffness, especially if it is rising from sleep.

  • gamzu710
    gamzu710 Member Posts: 214
    edited May 2022

    Thanks, all! My niece is the first grandchild on both sides so the spoiling is going to be ridiculous. I've become That Person that whips out my phone to show off pictures to everyone and it's only been 5 days.

    SpecialK, my line of thinking is similar and is what has kept me from meltdowns so far. Also the fact that I had bloodwork last week and my calcium levels and everything else was fine. I notice it when I'm lying or sitting in certain positions for too long and it fades once I stretch it out and start moving again. I expected pain and stiffness (also noticing in my knees, elbows, neck, etc.) with exemestane; I just want to have a conversation with my MO about what to expect, what she's seen with other women, and how to keep my sanity when facing these particular side effects!

    The side that was irradiated is also very tight because I was dumb and didn't keep up with stretches. And I'm just tightly wound in general all the time now; I'm constantly catching myself all tensed up with my shoulders hunched and horrible posture!

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited May 2022

    gamzu - I think it is cute about the phone! We have some good friends who just became first time grandparents over the week-end and they are doing the same thing - although half the time they are just gazing at their phones and not even showing anyone else the photos, lol!

    FWIW, I had a lot of joint pain on letrozole and anastrazole over the 7.5 years I was on anti-hormonals. Particularly knee and back if I sat too long, and ankle/foot with those first steps out of bed. I had a minor knee injury - seemed like nothing at the time - that actually ended up requiring a cortisone injection, and the orthopedic surgeon felt it was definitely the meds. Two things I found to be true - for me - the more I moved the less pain I had, and eating an anti-inflammatory diet helped both the joint pain and my lymphedema. A lot of that pain went away when I stopped taking the meds, but not all of it. Contributing factors are that I am 7.5 years older, and had some pre-existing arthritis, degenerative lumbar disks for the last 25 years, a hip injury during letrozole, and knee surgery in college.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2022

    Gamzu I’m chiming in here. I had a lot f joint pain on arimidex. My onc and pcp recommended Cymbalta, off label. It’s an anti-anxiety drug that was showing a lot of pain relief with people. I swear that is a miracle pill. It helped my pain immensely. Found out my SIL takes a pretty hefty dose for her back.

    I’m staying in it for the rest of my life. I feel like it helps with arthritis too.


    speaking of the rest of my life…I went to my ob/gyn for my two year check up ( first time I got to go 2 years). In the last couple of months I’ve been having some nagging pain on the right side. She does the exam…hits the spot…I have an enlarged right ovary. Pelvic ultrasound next Wednesday. Of course, I’ve been reading and the one consistent thing is ovarian cancer. Cysts are more rare at my age and the other stuff doesn’t fit.

    I could use a Valium prescription about now. I can feel the same sort of panic disorder i developed last time creeping in.

    I’m hoping that what we thought were gall bladder issues aren’t related to the ovarian issue.

    Now a funny story. Last time I posted in January, I think, I was preparing for my gallbladder surgery. We go to the hospital. I meet with the anesthesiologist, the doc pops in, they’ve got me all prepped except for the iv.

    Nurse walks in the room and says…ummm, you have covid. WHAT??!!! totally asymptomatic. So home I go. Spent five days holed up in my bedroom. I did develop very minor symptoms. Found a doc to give me the antibodies. Had that done.

    So, official gallbladder surgery was late March. Pretty easy recovery. Getting used to diet changes.

    Special k-you are absolutely right about what happens with high fat meals.

    I’ll catch up with everything on here over the next few days. It’s where I come when I’m most paranoid.

  • ElaineTherese
    ElaineTherese Member Posts: 3,328
    edited May 2022

    Fluff!

    Good to see you again but sorry to hear about your enlarged ovary. My sister has had a lot of problems with her ovaries, but never cancer.

    I also had my gallbladder removed, long before Covid. Yep, definitely can't eat any high fat meals. I have banished heavy cream from my pantry.

    Hope the enlarged ovary turns out to be a nothing burger.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2022

    Elainetherese-I am a massive warrior when suspicious things happen. Living past bc is not my strong suit.

    In this case, when I look at all the possibilities, unfortunately for my age the most likely scenario is the bad one. Hoping it’s not but…

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2022

    That should be worrie

  • gamzu710
    gamzu710 Member Posts: 214
    edited May 2022

    Ugh, fluffqueen, I really hope it's just a cyst. How unfair. Not that anyone ever asked us.

    I'm getting over Covid at the moment. Today was day 11. Mostly back to normal except for some sinus drainage and headaches. It did have the effect of making me completely forget about all my exemestane aches and pains!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2022

    Gamzu-good luck on the Covid recovery. I barely had symptoms, however it took right at 2 weeks before I tested negative.

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited June 2022

    flufff - I had a total hyst/ooph about 20 years ago due to continuous bleeding and TVUS that showed many large uterine fibroid tumors. I initially went to the gyn because I had enough of the symptoms on the list of ovarian cancer to be concerned. I had a long history of ovarian cysts, including one lemon-sized one that ruptured. That hurts worse than labor. Post-operative pathology revealed a surprise 3cm mass (pre-malignant) in the right ovary, which was either missed by US - consistent with my history of imaging - or it grew to that size in the time since the US. The ooph was elective, so I was very glad I did it despite the surgical menopause. Hoping this is something harmless for you and fixed by surgery.

    DH is recovering from Covid, caught at work from exposure to someone who had a sick family but came to work unmasked all week. SMH! What are people thinking? I have been hiding on the opposite side of the house - he had a very symptomatic case and it was actually a scary experience. Super high fever for days. My WBC is very low so even though I am vaxxed and boosted, so was he, we were very careful and I escaped without getting it - It has now been over two weeks since he tested positive. Not a fun experience but it was an excellent reminder of why it has paid for me to be a hermit and mask everywhere I go.

  • jh40
    jh40 Member Posts: 76
    edited June 2022

    Hi Everyone - hoping to introduce myself here and maybe get some perspective.

    My backstory: lump found at a routine breast check at my gyno appointment on 4/13. Biopsy results came back 5/2, 1.1cm, triple positive. ER 60%, PR 20%, Her2+++, Grade 2 IDC. BRCA 1 & 2 negative. Negative for the rest of the gene mutations they profiled.

    Met with the breast surgeon 5/4 to discuss options. She ordered an MRI. I'm terribly claustrophobic, and travelled 2 hours north to get into a wide-bore machine on 5/17. Results were delayed coming back the following week because they said the radiologist wouldn't read them without prior images. The priors were then delivered to them the same day that I was told this.

    MRI images came back to my surgeons office today and she said that they weren't diagnostic due to too much movement. She said if I'm considering breast conserving surgery she'd have to have the images redone. I am not considering that though; just want a mastectomy with no reconstruction. She says in that case she doesn't need the MRI redone, but encouraged me to talk with my oncologist about this as well. She says that this type of cancer is normally treated with neoadjuvent therapy but I'm in a grey area because the tumor is small and surgery can be done first.

    My first oncologist appointment is for 6/8. I'd planned to ask about any other available/applicable genetic testing that may inform my decision to get a double mastectomy rather than just a single.

    I guess what I'm trying to figure out here is if I actually should get the MRI redone? I figure it wouldn't really make much of a difference as far as the surgery is concerned, but other than knowing what's working, what would be the benefit to getting neoadjuvent treatment before surgery?

    Any thoughts to share? I'm feeling pretty desperate for some clarity with this whole thing.

  • Nsbrown54
    Nsbrown54 Member Posts: 908
    edited June 2022

    Hi jh40 - If you decide to have another MRI, ask for a sedative to help you through it.

    My situation was different, but similar. My BC was found on a routine breast MRI. My turmors were next to each other total 7.5cm. The tumors didn't show in the mammogram 6 months prior. My BRCA was negative, but there's a family history of BC. My breast surgeon scheduled another MRI, but canceled it after I decided on a mastectomy. The MRI would have been used to place clips. I did chemo first based on tumor size, then single mastectomy, then targete treatment. I did prophylactic mastectomy a year later.

    Best of luck with your decision and treatment.


  • jh40
    jh40 Member Posts: 76
    edited June 2022

    cardplayer - thanks for the insight. Your situation was kinda similar. Crazy that neither of the tumors showed up on a mammogram only 6 months prior!

    Do you know if there's some advantage to doing chemo first for triple positive other than size? It seems to me that if something is operable and you want a mastectomy, why not just remove it? Is it to understand what treatments will be successful?

  • ElaineTherese
    ElaineTherese Member Posts: 3,328
    edited June 2022

    Hi!

    I did chemo first. It cleared out all of the active cancer in my breast and compromised lymph node. I had what is called a pathological complete response (PCR) to chemo, which is seen as a good outcome. By doing chemo first, I was able to see that my chemo had worked for my particular kind of cancer. Not everyone has a PCR. If you have residual cancer after chemo, your oncologist may recommend further treatment such as Kadcyla.

    Also, neoadjuvant chemo gave me greater surgical choices. Because the cancer was gone, I just went with a lumpectomy instead of mastectomy.

    If you want a mastectomy, it might not be important to get the MRI re-done. However, an MRI could also pick up on any compromised lymph nodes, which you might want to know about before surgery. I had a PET scan and an MRI done before chemo and after chemo. They indicated that the cancer was gone, and that was confirmed by the post-surgery pathology report.

    Good luck!


  • Nsbrown54
    Nsbrown54 Member Posts: 908
    edited June 2022

    jh40 - Unfortunately, I am not familiar with the decision making criteria for when oncologist and breast surgeons recommend chemo vs surgery first. In my case, based on tumor size, triple positive and IDC BC, chemo wasrecommended before surgery. Check with your surgeon and oncologist. They can describe the decision making process for your particular situation.

  • jh40
    jh40 Member Posts: 76
    edited June 2022

    elainetherese - thank you for that insight. I could see the chemo before surgery being great for clearing them out if there’s lymphs involved, and also for surgery options. I want to avoid recurrence and radiation if I can, which is why I’m opting for mastectomy. My surgeon says I’d have a 17-20% recurrence rate with lumpectomy/radiation. Less than 5% with mastectomy, and wouldn’t need radiation.

    I’ve still been concerned about my lymphs despite a lot of positive opinions.

    The head of radiology did my initial imaging at the local hospital. She said the lymphs looked uninvolved. The radiologist who did my biopsy said the same thing, and my surgeon did too when she reviewed the images. No way to know for sure without testing though, right?

    My surgeon says she will take 3 nodes and send them off to be tested in the lab because apparently there’s a 33% false positive reading in the surgical environment. That was news to me when she told me, and I’ve never heard or read about that anywhere else. Does this seem right?

    She says that with surgery first, and with no lymph involvement, I could avoid the heavier chemo and just get the 12 rounds of Taxol, which she says is gentler, followed by Herceptin and hormone treatment. I think she’s trying to spare me the extra toxicity with surgery first

  • ElaineTherese
    ElaineTherese Member Posts: 3,328
    edited June 2022

    jh40,

    RE: lymph nodes -- in a surgical setting, it might be the case that micromets could be missed so yes, the lab is more accurate.

    RE: chemo choices -- I don't see why you can't just do the Taxol before surgery. There's no law which says you have to do TCHP or AC+THP as neoadjuvant therapies. If your lump is small enough, Taxol could be a neoadjuvant treatment. It it doesn't do the trick (as revealed by surgery), you can always do something like Kadcyla later.

    Finally, there's no guarantee that your lump will actually be 1.1 cm. Imaging isn't perfect. If your cancer is significantly bigger than 1.1 cm (say over 2 cm) in your surgical pathology, your oncologist may recommend a more toxic chemo in the end.

  • jh40
    jh40 Member Posts: 76
    edited June 2022

    elainetherese - I see all of that logic. Makes a lot of sense. Also the bigger tumor reveal...my terror! But I have been aware of this happening sometimes.

    I’ll be speaking with my oncologist on the 8th and I’m sure he’ll have a lot to tell me. I’m going to mention everything to him, (the things you said as well) and see what he makes of it all

    To be fair to my surgeon, she did recommend that I speak with my oncologist before surgery as well.

  • gamzu710
    gamzu710 Member Posts: 214
    edited June 2022

    Yeah, I would bring all of these questions to your oncologist. The good and bad thing about breast cancer is that there are a LOT of us, and thus a lot of data on any particular treatment plan that your MO should be able to explain to you to help you make the decision. I did surgery first (6mm tumor) but it was accidental as we didn't know the lump was cancer beforehand; it was supposed to be an "excision biopsy" for ADH, only it turned out there had been a sampling error with the original needle biopsy. Fortunately the surgeon got it all during the excision as she didn't like the look of it visually and took wide margins on the excision. You may also be in a gray area where it doesn't make much difference which option you take. But your MO should have answers for you.

  • jh40
    jh40 Member Posts: 76
    edited June 2022

    gamzu710 - wow, that’s a crazy experience. That must have been really tough to find out it was cancer in that way.

    Thanks for your insight. It’s really helpful to hear other stories.

    I have so many questions and feel like I’ve been waiting so longask them. I’m also feeling pretty disappointed that my MRI turned out to be such a fail.

  • ElaineTherese
    ElaineTherese Member Posts: 3,328
    edited June 2022

    jh40,

    Hopefully, your oncologist will be helpful. I do think it's important to focus less on recurrence rates and more on survival rates. Breast cancer patients who get mastectomies do not have better survival rates than those who had lumpectomies. In other words, cutting out more breast tissue doesn't have any impact long-term. Of course, skipping radiation is a pretty good reason to go for the mastectomy, so I can definitely see why that might be a priority. Also, some women prefer to avoid the annual mammogram and all that entails.

    For me, at least, the important thing to worry about is not recurrence but the spread of breast cancer to other parts of the body. No one ever dies from breast cancer that has invaded their breast tissue. Instead, patients die when the cancer invades their brain, liver, lungs, etc.. That's why chemo effectiveness is so important.

    Cancer cells may break off from the existing lump and travel through the lymph system and/or bloodstream to distant organs to set up shop. The purpose of chemo is to destroy these cells before they can do that. Triple positive breast cancer is especially likely to go to the brain -- I would rather not have to do whole brain radiation or cyber knife if I can help it.

    Good luck with all of your appointments! I still remember all the appointments at the beginning of the process; I thought I lived at the hospital.

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