I say YES. YOU say NO....Numero Tre! Enjoy!

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  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
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    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
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  • Nsbrown54
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  • Miriandra
    Miriandra Member Posts: 1,327
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    My cousin (bless his heart) is a Trumpeter - "The election was stolen", all that. He's also very "pro-life". When I offered him the idea that actually being pro-life would include social welfare programs to improve education and early child-care, he rejected it.

    "I didn't get handouts. If they want to work their way up, they can join the military like I did."

    "OK, so you want underprivileged people to be 'pro-life' by joining the military and learning to kill people for a career? Really?"

  • ChiSandy
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    Miriandra, the bill you suggested makes eminent sense, is highly logical, and tracks existing laws about organ donation and use of discarded tissue (in the wake of the uncompensated use of Henrietta Lacks' cell line). So long as Manchin is in the Senate, it'll never pass.

    The only reason to grit our teeth and keep Manchin & Sinema from getting primaried is that we need 50 Senators + a VP with a "D" after their name in order to retain a majority. We want substance, but musn't discount the value of holding the procedural advantage--especially control of committee composition & assignments, as well as the biennial opportunity to set Senate rules. We need to not just retain a Democratic majority in the Senate, but also flip two seats in order to offset Manchinema's prioritizing campaign donors over their constituents. Why not let them get primaried by true Democrats when their terms are up for reelection? Because since AZ is a purple state and WV an extremely red one, if anyone to the left of them becomes those states' Dem. Senate nominees they will be roundly defeated (likely by double digits) by GQP nominees.

    So as distasteful as it is, we need to hold our noses and put up with them--at least until we can get a >52-vote majority.

    Now that we have the GQP Senators on record as opposing codifying Roe v. Wade, we need to at least protect the status quo (until we get more solid majorities) by voting for the Murkowski-Collins proposed bill. Yeah, it's far less than ideal but it would stop the erosion of reproductive freedom in its tracks. I know none of my fellow liberals (much less any progressives) want to hear this, but the perfect is the enemy of the good.

    Take what we can get and build on it.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
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    Miriandra, while I think it a bit rude to cast aspersions on people I don't know, your cousin just sooo sounds like a non-extrapolating/non-thinking Republican too. As you say -- bless his heart. I am guessing that they ( he too I presume bless him ) forgot long ago to actually LISTEN to what they are telling others. Such a shame for otherwise intelligent people. Of course, I also presume they talk to each other all day the same way. It all must sound pretty 'smart' when talking to each other. What we hear make you go looking for the box -- the one with the rocks in it.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
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    Just because this is just when I found it:

    May be an image of 1 person and text that says 'Jo @JoJoFromJerz Ban Viagra. If pregnancy is "God's will", so is impotence.'

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
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    By the way, I thought I would just drop this in here. I saw on t.v. this morning, when the question was asked as to whether or not Putin was sick or had cancer, our Russian ambassador did not know. So questions are being asked now by some in the media, but no one really seems to have a definitive answer. It was said ( and I've noticed it myself ) that Putin's face looks a bit chubby at times -- like having had some steroid treatment. He easily could have been given steroids if he does have cancer.

    So the answer right now seems to be, if he is sick, it is a well guarded secret. It was said as well that keeping a huge distance between yourself and others could be indicative of someone who is regularly having their cells destroyed by chemo. Anyway, like everyone we will have to wait and see if anything else comes up later.

  • ChiSandy
    ChiSandy Member Posts: 12,133
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    Jackie, good point re: the possible explanation for Putin's "extreme social distancing."

  • Nsbrown54
    Nsbrown54 Member Posts: 908
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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2022/05/13/title-ix-roe-v-wade/

    Interesting article from Sally Jenkins about the impact of Alito’s draft on Title IX.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
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    It is a difficult lesson to learn today--to leave one's friends and family and deliberately practice the art of solitude for an hour or a day or a week. And yet, once it is done, I find there is a quality to being alone that is incredibly precious. Life rushes back into the void, richer, more vivid, fuller than before.

    Anne Morrow Lindbergh

  • IllinoisLady
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    May be an image of text that says 'Middle Age Riot @middleageriot In Texas, politicians, judges, and school boards are united in their unwavering commitment to making their state a shitty place to grow up.'



    I hope they are also giving Beto O'Rourke a fair chance at the governorship. If they keep up this disability in what they are choosing 'for' people.


  • IllinoisLady
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    May be a cartoon of 3 people and text that says 'BREAKING NEWS: In a bombshell Friday night ruling, a judge denies a request by Trump, Giuliani, & Sidney Powell to throw out a defamation case brought by a Dominion executive, ruling that their Big Lie showed "actual malice" and is backed by "absolutely NO facts." LIKE THIS TO THANK THE JUDGE! Occupy Democrats'

    and I think, why would he ( a judge ) do otherwise. The whole 1/6 -- before, during and after was a huge miscalculation by many, many Reps. and turned into an immediate horror, and these losses have created one big pile.

  • IllinoisLady
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  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
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    Yes, let's leave abortion up to the individual states just like slavery was left up to the individual states until 1863, because that worked out so very well......

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
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    Thats right Ruth -- and if Reps. are running that state, whatever we want is already dead in the water, right.

  • IllinoisLady
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  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
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    She does have some valid points here.

    May be a Twitter screenshot of 1 person and text that says 'Carliss Chatman @carlissc If a fetus is a person at 6 weeks pregnant, is that when the child support starts? Is that also when you can't deport the mother because she's carrying a US citizen? Can insure a 6 week fetus and collect if miscarry? Just figuring if we're going here we should go all in. 6:59 AM. 5/9/19 from Lexington, VA Twitter for iPhone'

  • Nsbrown54
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  • Miriandra
    Miriandra Member Posts: 1,327
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    ChiSandy thinks we might have something to build on. If you would like a law protecting a person's rights to all their organs, including their uterus, please contact your lawmakers to draft a bill stating, "No person shall be forced or compelled to allow their tissues and organs to be used for the sustenance and maintenance of another person's life against their wishes."

  • IllinoisLady
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    We in the West don't think much in terms of balance, and obviously we should. Even the very thought of an exquisite union and balance of all our forces, both physical and mental, has a gentle, hopeful ring to it. . . . All of us must find a bridge between our physical and spiritual parts. When that balance is achieved, what a happy comfort for ourselves!

    Edward J. Lavin

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
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    Some things are sooo true.

    May be an image of text that says 'Middle Age Riot @middleageriot Great leaders inspire greatness in others. Republican leaders inspire violence.'

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
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    And another one:

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  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
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    On the road to the Reps. brand of insanity.

    May be an illustration

  • Nsbrown54
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  • ruthbru
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  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
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    She made the right call Ruth....I'm wondering why anyone, woman or man who is more or less ignored, should be happy to try and make his or her party successful. Then again, men find it easy to overlook -- especially if its one of them. It just seems to me to be natural to work with people who are willing to work with you. Men ( not all of them ) find it so easy to be takers and then decide it is their due forever. The privileged class who have to find people to be superior to and that becomes us.

    Then again, I guess that is why other Reps. don't label Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, MTG and those types because that is a big box of rocks to name. There must be some Reps. who have at least a few working brain cells -- but it seems like they are still missing backbones if not all their brains because we are not hearing from them.

  • IllinoisLady
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