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  • DivineMrsM
    DivineMrsM Member Posts: 9,620
    edited April 2022

    Wow, traveltext, your comparison pictures of old vs. new formatting makes me very heartsick for the old!!!!! The old style popped and was so much easier to navigate through!!! Your comparison is like night and day:


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  • DivineMrsM
    DivineMrsM Member Posts: 9,620
    edited April 2022

    I am still not able to use the My Favorites link which is very frustrating. Instead of being able to gain quick access to a handful of threads in different sections that I'm interested in following, I continue to have to sift through the entire forum searching for them. This takes lots and lots of scrolling and waiting for pages to load. It would be futile to add any threads to My Favorites since the link is inoperable for me.

    It feels like many of the threads I've been a part of have a lot less participation since the new formatting. While I used to be able to sink my teeth into the content here, now it's less engaging due to all the numerous glitches and technical issues.

  • Traveltext
    Traveltext Member Posts: 2,089
    edited April 2022

    Certainly BCO Classic was more elegant.

    Are we just being nostalgic, though?I can see the point in a new version for many technical reasons if the bugs can be ironed out. What a frustrating time for all concerned.


  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2022

    I thought the old style looked a bit dated long before the redesign, but I prefer the darker background, larger font size, and stronger BOLD.

  • DivineMrsM
    DivineMrsM Member Posts: 9,620
    edited April 2022

    Personally, no, I absolutely am not being nostalgic. Here's what works for me in the old format:


    🔹Under Active Topics, each page number has a box around it. On an iPad, this visual aid makes it much easier to see and tap where I want to go.


    🔹 All the different sizes of font in bold type makes it 100% easier to glance over the page and find what I'm looking for.

    🔹COLOR! The blue font breaks up the monotony of an all white and black page. I have a secretarial background. I used color at the office quite a bit so everything wasn't just never-ending white or manila paper on a desk or in files, and it made it much easier to locate exactly what I needed in an efficient manner. I use color in my own home files. Color is just as useful a tool on a computer page!

    🔹 Every other active topic listed has the beige background which pops opposite the white background above and below it. This additional COLOR is a great visual aid.

    🔹The new format, instead, underlines the topic and the forum it is in. This makes it much harder to read since it's lots of black underlined in…..black, blending together.

    🔹 The old format has thicker horizontal lines separating each topic, plus a verticle line between the topic and the forum it's in. The new format, instead, gives the shadow of a line. As many have said, toooo much white!

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    Being more concerned about giving the forum a modern look rather than making it easy to find what you're looking for and navigating around reminds me of those kitchen remodels that look really pretty but have very little cabinet storage space to actually function well!



  • wrenn
    wrenn Member Posts: 2,707
    edited April 2022

    "Nostalgic"? Really?

  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited April 2022

    The old site was busy and a bit dated, and could have used a refresh.

    The new site is stark, cold, impersonal, difficult to view, difficult to read, and frankly, JUST AWFUL.

    While there might have been too much colour on the old site, not having any colour or bolding or highlighting to distinguish topics and areas of the board makes the pages looks like a bunch of faint type all blending together.

    Here are some examples.

    • First, this is the discussion board home page, as seen on an iPad. Previously it took 3 page downs to get to the start of the forum topics. I had complained that this was too much since it meant that new users wouldn't automatically see the forum when they came to the discussion board. Well, this has been fixed. Now it takes 1 click to clear the annoying message (that pops up over and over and over and over again) plus 6 page downs to get to the beginning of the forum topics.

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    • Second, again on an iPad, here is how the Active Topics looks, previously vs. current. Maybe some people think the current is an improvement, but it is missing a very needed column (as I and others have pointed out numerous times over the past month) and to my old/tired eyes, it is much harder to view and process the words on the page.

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    • Third, speaking of soft gray type, this is my screen when I try to send a PM on my iPad. Is this intentional so that people stop using the PM feature?

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    • Fourth and lastly, after being in my PMs, if I want to navigate to the discussion forum, I now am always faced with the following page. I had gone into my profile to delete as much information as I could, and now because my profile is not complete, I am always asked to complete it. There is no option to say that I don't want to provide this information. As a result, I get this page over and over and over and over again. After clearing this page, it still takes about another 5 or 6 clicks before I finally get to Active Topics. Because it is so painful to navigate when I sign in, I rarely bother to sign in anymore. So now I am no longer posting (except here) and I am hardly accessing my PMs. Soon I just won't be coming here at all.

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    Somehow BCO and their partners in this horrible redesign are promoting it as being user-friendly, easily to view for those of us with older, compromised vision, and better than the previous design on mobile devices. It's astonishing that so many people can be so out of touch with reality. It's a classic case of groupthink, where everyone thinks that what they did is good and no one can see the faults. Or maybe it's a fear in speaking up. Or maybe because BCO and their partners have been so public about how wonderful this redesign is, they feel boxed in and cannot go backward, even if everyone knows that the new design actually stinks. Whatever the reason, it's BCO's discussion board members who are paying the price. We've been tossed aside and our concerns have been, and will continue to be, ignored.



  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited April 2022

    👍👍 for divine’s post! The “look” of the stark black and white design may be more modern and clean in appearance but does nothing to enhance usability for members. Nostalgic? No, I am not averse to change and welcome it if it improves things.

  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited April 2022

    By the way, why it is on my PC that after I sign out, and confirm that I am signing out, I am still signed in? I DO NOT WANT TO REMAIN SIGNED IN ON A WEBSITE THAT I DO NOT TRUST. Even after I clear all active log-ins and clear my cache, when I bring up the BCO page again, my bee icon is there, I can access my PMs, etc. THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE and borders on a violation of privacy.


    Edited to add: And yes, I just posted this after signing out and not signing back in. How can that happen?

  • ThreeTree
    ThreeTree Member Posts: 709
    edited April 2022

    I had posted about all of the above more than once, but each time, my never posted. The page showed me as signed in, but my post didn't "take". Instead, I got a page asking me to sign in, even though the box to post in had been available, i.e. suggesting that I was signed in. I decided not to retype all of my comments that were in the lost posts, as it's far too frustrating. Let's just see if this posts.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2022

    Mods,

    Your tech team needs a dev environment. They work on an issue (like a user getting logged out intermittently) and create a new one (where other users cannot sign out). If they do have a dev environment, then they have an inadequate testing strategy.

    This keeps happening!

  • wrenn
    wrenn Member Posts: 2,707
    edited April 2022

    I agree with Beesie. It has gone past frustratingly silly "upgrade" to security concerns.

    This is so beyond epic failire. Stunning.

  • Elderberry
    Elderberry Member Posts: 993
    edited April 2022

    I am still waiting to NOT have me showing as HER-, I AM NOT!! I keep ensuring my profile that I can edit etc shows HER2+. It does. So why does it show HER2- on the screen that everyone can see?

  • moth
    moth Member Posts: 4,800
    edited April 2022

    I'm having the same problem with the staying signed in even though I signed out.

    Windows 11 Chrome

    I sign out, not just close the tab, actually sign out. But when I open a new tab & go to community.breastcancer.org again, I'm signed in, able to view my favourites etc.

  • wrenn
    wrenn Member Posts: 2,707
    edited April 2022

    I show as signed in when I have logged out but then when I try to post or read a thread I am taken to the first page of that thread and I have to actually sign in.

    Checking my profile I see that they are asking my "biological" sex and ethnicity. Is this new?

    Guess it doesn't really matter since we are unable to edit information in our profiles.

    Sometimes it is comical or like we are being punked. Mostly though it is just sad for those who have lost their community.

  • Sadiesservant
    Sadiesservant Member Posts: 1,995
    edited April 2022

    I'm the opposite, always having to sign in again and again now. And, for the first time, I am being prompted about my profile which now seems to have lost much of my data. I'm hoping that's a glitch as I can't imagine taking the time to reenter everything that I have posted over five years....

  • wrenn
    wrenn Member Posts: 2,707
    edited April 2022

    Hi Mods, Any update on this post from last week? thanks.

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  • Sadiesservant
    Sadiesservant Member Posts: 1,995
    edited April 2022

    I meant to respond to Traveltext. No, not nostalgic. I find the new layout exceedingly difficult to read, both on a computer and on my iPad. There is not enough contrast for my chemotherapy impacted eyes. The font/white background quickly leads to eye strain and it's now very difficult to see where I have previously navigated (for instance, I used to always insure that the Stage IV topic was clicked so that I could quickly see the relevant threads - now it's very difficult to see this). It may be a clean approach but not very accessible for the majority of older users.

  • OlympicMtGirl
    OlympicMtGirl Member Posts: 19
    edited April 2022

    Kicked out when hit submit on postings

    Unable to create 2 diagnoses - never takes second one.

  • Traveltext
    Traveltext Member Posts: 2,089
    edited April 2022

    Remember New Coke in 1985? It infuriated the public so much, it only lasted 77 days before the reintroduction of Coca-Cola Classic.

    Still, New Coke was a success because it revitalized the brand and reattached the public to Coke.

    Substitute BCO for Coke.

  • AliceBastable
    AliceBastable Member Posts: 3,461
    edited April 2022

    I can't tell if the font is gray or purple, but I see both as I read posts. When I see purple sections, I think it's a link to something. It's really bothering my eyes.

  • wrenn
    wrenn Member Posts: 2,707
    edited April 2022

    traveltext, With respect. You are negating pages and pages of frustrations expressed by many members of this forum and suggesting that the changes are something simple like a brand change. This is very insulting.

  • Traveltext
    Traveltext Member Posts: 2,089
    edited April 2022

    Wrenn, you're missing my point. Coke listened to the feedback and and went back to the old version.


  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2022

    Coke kept the original formula safe . I don’t think BCO can bring back the old version.

  • wrenn
    wrenn Member Posts: 2,707
    edited April 2022

    Not sure we can see where BCO revitalized their brand.

  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited April 2022

    Traveltext, I mentioned New Coke in my first post after the site came back on line, when it was clear from BCO communications that despite being off-line for a week, despite 3 weeks of IT problems and despite the anger of membership over the appearance and lack of functionality of the new design, BCO were doubling-down on their plans and moving full speed ahead, with no plan to respond to anything other than strictly IT issues. In that context, I reminded them that even Coke admitted their mistake and brought back original Coke.

    I worked for Coke, not when New Coke happened, but very shortly afterwards. It was not planned (as some people thought it was) and it was by no means considered a success, even though Coca-Cola recovered nicely when they brought back original Coke. Just as this redesign will never be a success, no matter what comes in the future. A business simply does not alienate their customer base to the extent that BCO has, not so much with the redesign itself but with the total lack of respect that they've shown to their membership over the past month. As I said in my post after the board came back on-line, BCO has a tremendous amount of goodwill with their members; they have pretty much lost all of it. It takes a lot of effort (all of it misdirected, of course) to mess up this badly. It's astonishing, really.

  • DivineMrsM
    DivineMrsM Member Posts: 9,620
    edited April 2022

    I have no problem with change if it is an improvement or even if it is equally good as what was before, so anyone thinking this is about some kind of resistance to change is wrong. Who prefers a downgrade in any area of their life? Who's happy to buy a new car that's not as nice as their old one? Who'd like tight, scratchy clothes to replace the soft, nicely fitting clothes they had? Who wants to replace their really good medical insurance plan for a crappy one that costs more and covers less? Anyone? But if you're given something equally as good as what you had in any of these instances, or something improved, you would not have much if anything to complain about.

    No one would have a problem with the new format if it actually functioned better than the old one or just as good.
    But it does not.


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  • Traveltext
    Traveltext Member Posts: 2,089
    edited April 2022

    Beesie. Oh, I missed that. Glad you brought up the analogy.

    I'm not sure management have been in control of the redesign. Sure they approved it, but they are totally relying on the tech company to make the change and get things working again. I spent 20 years publishing websites and have seen everything go wrong. This is not the worst SNAFU I've seen, by any means. Thankfully, the database appears to be intact.

    The mods are now replying politely to all glitch reports and I don't see a lack of respect for members. I know they are spending goodwill, but they have a huge bank of this and I hope, for all our sakes, that they end up with a site that is back better than before and helping members.


  • wrenn
    wrenn Member Posts: 2,707
    edited April 2022

    I am feeling bad for newcomers missing out on numbers of replies to their queries. I just typed out a long response to one and then hit submit and was taken to the login page. I had made a point of logging in before typing. I think many wouldn't bother starting over but this time I did. The random logging in and out is a real shit load of frustration.

    Must remember to copy typed stuff before submitting *sigh

  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited April 2022

    Traveltext, whether it's the Mods or Hope's messages, there has been no acknowledgement of any of the concerns raised about anything other than the IT problems, i.e. specifically that the site doesn't work properly.

    The rest of the concerns raised? NOTHING. Several of us have raised concerns about how difficult navigation is on the main site; I've mentioned that I can no longer find any of the content that I used to rely on. Others have mentioned the same thing. The new layout is confusing and illogical, forcing people to find information based on where they are in the diagnosis/treatment process. The response from BCO? NONE. Many of us have raised concerns about how hard the new design and layout is on the eyes. An attempt has been made to slightly darken the type on the discussion board (or was it made 5% larger? hard to tell what was done), Other than that, what has been the response to these concerns? NONE. Then there are those awful, creepy graphics. The response? NONE. Okay, let's stick to the discussion board. What about the navigation issues on the discussion board, i.e. how many pages and how many more clicks it takes to move around from thread to thread? The response? NONE. I could go on and on.

    As I said in my post last week, other than IT issues, there has been no acknowledgement that we even have any concerns about anything else. Nothing. What we have heard from BCO is that they are listening to us and therefore "Completely redesigning and re-platforming the discussion boards is a top priority for Breastcancer.org." What? After the redesign of the main site, which almost everyone dislikes, is anyone here asking for a complete redesign of the discussion board? No. What BCO are doing is taking our concerns and twisting them to fit into what they aways planned to do.

    That is disrespect.

    As for goodwill, they have none left with me. Nor do I have any trust in anything that anyone at BCO says. I say that as one of their most active members over 16+ years.

    Lastly, to your comment, "I'm not sure management have been in control of the redesign. Sure they approved it, but they are totally relying on the tech company to make the change and get things working again.", if that's the case, then the problem is even deeper than I thought. Sure, you bring in consultants and specialists to advise and execute, but you never give up design control to the hired help. And ultimately, no matter who is doing the work and whatever happens 'under the covers', the buck stops within the organization.

    Edited to add: The database appears to be intact? Why are so many of us missing posts? Our total number of posts has dropped, even if we didn't post in whatever political threads where deleted. Additionally, considering all the problems with our profiles, with new/different diagnoses showing up, I think it's premature to say that the database is intact. As for having seen worse SNAFUs, keep in mind that the discussion board has not been redesigned yet - this was merely the "soft launch" of a "reskinning". Imagine what will happen with a full redesign!


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