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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2022

    Edited to let go.

  • Nkb
    Nkb Member Posts: 1,436
    edited January 2022

    Devine- I like your notes- they are important reminders.
    it’s really interesting to cut off a badly behaving sibling. (Almost Everyone seems to have one) I cut off my sister a few years after my mother died - I always thought her behavior was from mental Illness so I endured it ( including her robbing me when she came for family gatherings at my houserepeatedly! And lying about others etc) but, then a friend of mine who is a psychiatrist said- she may be mentally ill, but she knows what she is doing. That was an epiphany and allowed me to remove myself from her toxicity. I was going to meet with her in a cafe and list my grievances- but, there were so many and when she wrote to say She had no idea what She did wrong, I decided it was a lost cause. On my mothers death bed she gave me permission to not engage with her anymore ( mothers usually know whether you tell them all this stuff or not)

    But, the surprising thing was my other sister wanting me to put her back in my life and all the rest of the world’s attitude that if you have the same genes you must put up with them. I am so much happier without her in my life. I don’t like confrontation and I have a major peacemaker gene- so a relationship with her goes deeply against loving myself. Having cancer, a DH and 3 lovely kids sharing my energy clarifies things.


  • DivineMrsM
    DivineMrsM Member Posts: 9,620
    edited January 2022

    I appreciate the stories everyone is sharing about sibling boundaries. We hear so much about bullying but never in the context of it coming from your own siblings, whether as a child or adult. But I've experienced much bullying at the hands of my siblings.

    Something I learned about boundaries is that no response is a response. Recently when my sister asked me to make plans for an activity, I said, “I'll have to get back to you." Then I didn't get back to her. I learned that was an acceptable response.

    Two sisters deliberately exclude me from parts of their lives while rubbing it in. After Thanksgiving, they flew to the Dominican Republic with one sister’s daughter, her husband and small child. Ahead of their trip, the sisters invited me to get pedicures with them, their treat. I guess this was supposed to be my consolation prize, since I wasn't asked to go to the DR. I turned down the pedicure which they pretended was for a sister bonding thing “to catch up". Who were they kidding? They were getting them because they were going on a tropical beach vacation which I'm sure they would have bragged about if they'd gotten me trapped between them in a pedicure chair.

    A couple years ago, I finally had it with one brother. I realized he'd deliberately create situations to make me look bad, to get me to react badly, like it was a sport to him. Very passive aggressive. No more tolerating the behavior. I haven't talked to him since, won't engage in group texts if he's included and told dh the brother is no longer welcome in my house.

    Family relationships are far too nuanced to be covered with a blanket statement like, “Family is everything." Such a saying is too generic and superficial. It also offers too much opportunity for women especially to tolerate unacceptable behavior, since society relegates us to the keepers of the castle, the heart of the home and all that keep sweet stuff. We don't have to accept it or feel guilt about walking away from toxic family members.

  • Nkb
    Nkb Member Posts: 1,436
    edited January 2022

    apparently Oprah is always being bombarded by people asking her to do things she didn’t want to do and she had a hard time saying no, so she learned to say “let me pray on that” no one could say no- don’t pray - it was her let me think about it and a good solution.

    All these relationships are so nuanced.

  • Miriandra
    Miriandra Member Posts: 1,327
    edited January 2022

    That kind of reminds me of one of my stock phrases - "No is a perfectly ok answer." I use it when I ask people for favors, and in my therapy sessions when I observe something in a client and want to see if it resonates. (It gives them permission to experience their own experience, they don't have to say "yes" to humor me, and it helps balance the power diferential.)

    "Yes" is such a heavy word. So is "should".

  • AliceBastable
    AliceBastable Member Posts: 3,461
    edited January 2022

    One of my sister's irritating things is to start sentences with "I need you to..." Chickie, I'm not your employee and I'm not your child. What you think you need is not my problem. You can ask me nicely. Of course, it still might not be my problem. 🤪

  • magiclight
    magiclight Member Posts: 8,690
    edited February 2022

    Edmonia Lewis carved a marble bust of Anna Quincy Waterson around 1866 and did most of her work outside the US. Today I bought a book of Edmonia Lewis postage stamps.

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  • DivineMrsM
    DivineMrsM Member Posts: 9,620
    edited February 2022

    Figure skating will stop calling women skaters 'ladies,' a step toward dismantling a century-long culture


    Calls for a cultural shift in figure skating have led to small changes in terminology and costume rules and larger changes that have created a more accepting culture for women and LGBTQ+ skaters.

    February 8, 2022



    In 1924, figure skating became the first sport in the Winter Olympics to allow women to compete. But though the men competed under categories for "men," women could only compete under "ladies."

    Figure skating is also the last winter sport to change that naming convention: The 2022 Winter Olympics is the first to let women compete as women, not ladies. It's a subtle change — one that audiences may miss — but a meaningful one. For a century, figure skating has clung to rigid gender rules, about everything from costumes to who can compete as a pair, that have enforced specific expectations about how athletes should look or behave. Some skaters have even reported hiding their gender identity in order to conform.

    That culture, while still deeply embedded in figure skating, is starting to change. And not just in name alone.

    This year, more out LGBTQ+ skaters, including the first out nonbinary Winter Olympian, will compete in the Games than ever before. This year there will be nine openly LGBTQ+ figure skaters in Beijing. There were three in 2018 and none in 2014. Overall, at least 35 out LGBTQ+ athletes will compete this year, double the number that competed in the last Winter Olympics.

    All of it is happening as the popularity of figure skating, particularly in the United States, continues to wane. More athletes and fans are calling for a significant cultural shift in figure skating that sheds its gendered, classist and racist roots and embraces a more diverse vision of what the sport can be. In the last couple of years, those calls have grown louder and more powerful, leading to small changes in terminology and costume rules and larger changes that have created a more accepting culture for LGBTQ+ skaters.

    Historically, figure skating was dominated by men and reserved for elites. Figure skating clubs excluded women and people of color.

    That legacy remains. The sport is dominated by White, well-off athletes who are molded, coached and judged by former athletes or judges who adhere to traditional aspects of the sport. It's still extremely expensive for kids to participate in figure skating, and much of the technical structure has rewarded heteronormative couplings and performances. That's particularly true in pairsskating and ice dance — the two disciplines of figure skating that are done in pairs. Pairs skating involves jumps and throws, while ice dance is a form of ballroom dancing on ice. In both disciplines, the rules are written to specify moves the man should do and moves the woman should do. It was only recently that women figure skaters started to wear pants more in competition — for ice dancers the rule was just changed for the 2021-2022 season.

    The terminology of "ladies" is a relic of the origins of figure skating, but over the past five to 10 years steam has built for change, said Jackie Wong, the expert behind Rocker Skating, a figure skating analysis site. Other countries, including Canada, had already adopted the change for some time, but the International Skating Union (ISU), the sport's international governing body, and the United States were holdouts.

    Ice dancer Kaitlyn Weaver, a two-time Olympian and three-time World medalist, said the terminology further emphasized the gendered nature of the sport. Women were celebrated for being graceful, polite, demure — all the qualities of a "lady" — instead of being athletic.

    In Canada, the country she's represented, women figure skaters have been called women figure skaters for as long as she'd been competing — at least a decade. Leanna Caron, the former president of Skate Canada, was one of the people who pushed the International Skating Union to make the change to women, Weaver said, along with other skaters and fans who felt the terminology was outdated and sexist. Men weren't being called "gentlemen," after all.

    But there was pushback from some who felt uncomfortable calling the teenagers who dominate figure skating "women," Wong said. Many of the leading athletes in the women's discipline are under 18, but that's not necessarily a new phenomenon. When Peggy Fleming first went to the Olympics to represent Team USA in 1964, she was 15.

    "As people have tried to post-rationalize why they use the word 'ladies' as opposed to women, that's what they've come to," he said.

    The change finally came last year, when the International Olympic Committee's Gender Equality Review Project proposed a rule change to the International Skating Union, calling for a balanced portrayal of men and women, the ISU said in a statement. The rule ultimately passed in the summer of 2021, making figure skating the last sport to do so at the international level.

    The impact of that can't be understated, Weaver said.

    "The term 'ladies' takes away our power, our athleticism, our sexuality," Weaver said. "Even in the English language there are instances where 'ladies' feels right versus where 'woman' feels right — 'the ladies who lunch' versus 'the first woman to land a triple axel.' When we talk about any type of athletic feat or strength or power, we use the word 'women.'"

    U.S. Figure Skating, however, has still not made the change.

    Barbara Reichart, a spokesperson for the national governing body, said U.S. Figure Skating is in the process of "reviewing the impact" of the ISU's change and how it would be implemented domestically, but, when asked, did not specify whether the change had already been decided on.



    Further reading: https://19thnews.org/2022/02/winter-olympics-figure-skating-women-lgbtq/?utm_campaign=19th-social&utm_content=for_a_century%2C_figure_ska&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR2YI57qKj08gTk7IkYksd2N-FSTgSIsMjTsruaKHZmUURoqXLC_CQstBuk


  • DivineMrsM
    DivineMrsM Member Posts: 9,620
    edited February 2022

    The first Black Barbie doll was created by Spartanburg, South Carolina native Kitty Black Perkins in 1980. She was also the first Black designer for Barbie when she was hired at age 28. She rose in the company after a decade, hiring more black designers.

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  • DivineMrsM
    DivineMrsM Member Posts: 9,620
    edited February 2022

    U.S. Soccer and women soccer stars settle equal pay lawsuit for $24 million


    The landmark agreement will ensure equal pay for male and female players in U.S. soccer.


    Feb. 22, 2022


    Netherlands v United States: Women's Football Quarterfinal - Olympics: Day 7



    U.S. women soccer stars, including Megan Rapinoe and Alex Morgan, have reached a $24 million settlement with the U.S. Soccer Federation following a lawsuit over unequal pay with men's team players.

    The landmark settlement was announced Tuesday, years after a group of five U.S. Women's National Team players filed an Equal Employment Opportunity Commission complaint over inequality in pay and treatment.

    According to the terms of the settlement, U.S. Soccer will pay men and women at an equal rate in the future in all friendlies and tournaments, including the World Cup.

    "For us, this is just a huge win in ensuring that we not only right the wrongs of the past, but set the next generation up for something we only dreamed of," Rapinoe said Tuesday on NBC's "TODAY" show.

    "We are really in the midst of an incredible turning point in women's sport," she said, adding, "If you're not paying attention to this right now and what's happening in women's sport, you're sleeping on the whole thing."

    The EEOC complaint was filed in 2016 by Hope Solo and Carli Lloyd, who are now both retired, Becky Sauerbrunn, Morgan and Rapinoe.

    Then in March 2019, 28 members of the USWNT filed a lawsuit, citing years of ongoing institutionalized gender discrimination against the players in their compensation and working conditions.

    The lawsuit garnered national attention and led to stadium chants of "Equal Pay!" when the U.S. women's team won the 2019 World Cup in Paris.

    The disparity in pay between men and women is stark. FIFA awarded $400 million in prize money for the 32 teams at the 2018 men's World Cup, and $38 million to the champion, France. By comparison, FIFA awarded $30 million for the 24 teams at the 2019 women's World Cup, including $4 million to the U.S. after winning their second straight title.

    A global sensation and powerhouse in the sport, the team has won four FIFA Women's World Cup titles since the competition's founding in 1991.

    That stands in stark contrast to the men's national team, which took third place in the first World Cup played in 1930 — and hasn't come close since.

    U.S. Soccer will pay $22 million to the players in the case and an additional $2 million into an account to benefit USWNT players in their post-career goals and charitable efforts related to women's and girls' soccer, according to the settlement terms. Players will be able to apply for up to $50,000 from this fund.

    The legal back and forth in the case saw former U.S. Soccer Federation president Carlos Cordeiro resign in March 2020 in the wake of bitter backlash stemming from a legal filing that included sexist language comparing female and male players.

    His resignation led former American midfielder Cindy Parlow Cone to become the first woman president in the federation's history.

    The settlement is contingent on the ratification of a new Collective Bargaining Agreement for USWNT and U.S. Soccer, which will resolve all the claims in the 2019 suit.

    Morgan said on "TODAY" their work in leveling the playing field is not over.

    "U.S. Soccer has agreed to equalize the prize money moving forward, obviously we call on FIFA to truly equalize that for men's and women's tournaments," she said. "That's really what we set out to do. Equalize on all fronts."

    "It's a proud moment for all of us," she added.

    In a joint statement, the players and U.S. Soccer said: "Getting to this day has not been easy. The U.S. Women's National Team players have achieved unprecedented success while working to achieve equal pay for themselves and future athletes. Today, we recognize the legacy of the past USWNT leaders who helped to make this day possible, as well as all of the women and girls who will follow."

  • DivineMrsM
    DivineMrsM Member Posts: 9,620
    edited February 2022
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    DivineMrsM Member Posts: 9,620
    edited February 2022
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    DivineMrsM Member Posts: 9,620
    edited February 2022
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    DivineMrsM Member Posts: 9,620
    edited February 2022
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    DivineMrsM Member Posts: 9,620
    edited February 2022
  • AliceBastable
    AliceBastable Member Posts: 3,461
    edited February 2022

    I love all of those!

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited February 2022

    camille,

    Love your memes! I am one who has struggled with saying no though age has given me the confidence to say it more frequently and assertively. Women are still considered to be “difficult” when they stand their ground and when they refuse to be talked down to.

  • Miriandra
    Miriandra Member Posts: 1,327
    edited February 2022
  • Beaverntx
    Beaverntx Member Posts: 3,183
    edited February 2022

    Miriandra, 👍👍👍

  • DivineMrsM
    DivineMrsM Member Posts: 9,620
    edited February 2022

    Thumbs up from me, too, Miriandra!

    I recently read a book called “The Nice Girl Syndrome” by Beverly Engel. It was very insightful. Religion, society and my family have ingrained in me that I must be nice. One problem with that is I ended up putting everyone else’s needs and feelings before my own. Like, I never showed up for myself most of the time and was made to feel guilty, selfish and mean if I did. But of course it was perfectly fine for others to look out for their own best interests.

    I’ve learned to say no more often. I’ve mentioned on the forum how I’ve worked on setting firmer boundaries for a couple of years. Saying no was extremely difficult at first. But I started doing it more often and worked through my guilt feelings. Now it’s much easier and guilt is melting away. It took awhile, over a year, before I became more comfortable with it. Now, tho, people are getting the real me. I like being more genuine.


  • Miriandra
    Miriandra Member Posts: 1,327
    edited February 2022

    Awesome, Divine!!

  • magiclight
    magiclight Member Posts: 8,690
    edited February 2022

    "A nice girl, Osla groaned, taking a slug of champagne. There's nothing more deadly than being called nice." Kate Quinn, The Rose Code.

  • DivineMrsM
    DivineMrsM Member Posts: 9,620
    edited February 2022

    I can’t remember if we discussed before how often women apologize unnecessarily. I came across the following, though, and wanted to share it. Comments on social media suggested replacing the word “sorry” for “thank you”. For example, rather than say “sorry I’m late, I got stuck in traffic” try saying “thank you for waiting, I got stuck in traffic.” Another example, “sorry I can’t go” can become “thanks for asking me, but I can’t go”. It may not work in all situations, but it’s a good alternative. I have been pretty good at not saying “sorry” unless I have actually done something for which to be sorry about.

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  • AliceBastable
    AliceBastable Member Posts: 3,461
    edited February 2022

    It's possible to use neither in many situation. "Oh, no, I can't do that" said politely is a perfectly good response to many situations. The "oh" keeps it from sounding rude or too abrupt, but also doesn't mean "sorry" or even "thank you."

  • DivineMrsM
    DivineMrsM Member Posts: 9,620
    edited March 2022

    I wanted to post this yesterday as it was International Women’s Day but was unable to do so due to troubles with the new formatting of the forum.


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  • Betrayal
    Betrayal Member Posts: 1,374
    edited March 2022

    Love the posts, Divine and given the state of this boondoggle of an upgrade, it is understandable for the delay.

  • magiclight
    magiclight Member Posts: 8,690
    edited March 2022

    WAR: The strollers on the train platforms in Poland are the artifacts of war that we do not talk about. They are not the sorts of supplies mentioned when the Ukrainian president goes on a Zoom call with American members of Congress to beg them for military aid; they are not negotiated in the language of sanctions and artillery.

    If you are a Ukrainian mother, maybe when an explosive device turns your neighborhood into rubble, when you see your fellow citizens fall in the street, when you learn exactly what munitions explosions smell like — maybe when that happens, your instinct is to grab your baby and hold him close to your own body as you run for your life, not to push him away in a pram.

  • kathindc
    kathindc Member Posts: 2,042
    edited March 2022

    magic light, very powerful statement.

  • magiclight
    magiclight Member Posts: 8,690
    edited March 2022

    Women and war and babies. Divinemrsm, I find these images support your FEmale iron women post. I hope to see a photo of this mom and child a few years from now in some safe harbor.

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  • DivineMrsM
    DivineMrsM Member Posts: 9,620
    edited March 2022

    It appears that after going down completely, the forum is running again as the Moderators continue to work on the technical issues that still exist. Here’s the email they sent, sharing in case some of you didn’t see it:


    We're so glad to be back with you! Please know our goal in the past few days was to get the community back up and running after having to go down with the significant issues that we saw last Friday. The issues with Active Topics and My Favorites were priority, as well as improving load time and reduction of error pages, in order to get the community back online and function as it was prior to Friday, if not a little bit better.

    The technical difficulties that resulted from reskinning the site pages caused a series of issues with the older site code that's in place. We are aware those difficulties are still occurring, and we are still working on them.

    We are moving forward with plans for the community's new tech platform and will have more to share in the coming weeks. Your patience while we improve your experience is greatly appreciated.

    Grateful to be back with you.

    --The Mods



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