Upping my calcium intake while also watching calories
So I have been on a campaign to get all of my calcium from food sources, but am finding it is hard to get up to 1000 mg without also consuming vast amounts of dairy products. I have already gained 3lbs, and I need this weight like a hole in the head.
Any strategies out there? I think it may be time to shift to a good calcium supplement, but I want to make sure the calcium finds it way to my bones and not my arteries!
Thank you in advance for your thoughts.....
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Jewelweed - I can't eat that much dairy either. My OB/Gyn said the best supplement for absorption as well as gentle on your system is Citracal with D3. I've been taking it for years and it works for me.
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Second vote for citracal with D3
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spinach, collard greens and kale are good calcium source
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Third for Citrical with D3, plus another D3, K2, Mag, B12, and C. I also eat a couple or three or four dried plums/prunes in the am.
Editing to add that I have low fat plain yogurt for breakfast or snack, enjoy 2% low fat cottage cheese, and eat salads with power greens. I recall reading that dairy should be low fat for BC ER+ survivors, including cheese. I love cheese but have lightened up on it due to the fat content.
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I take Viactiv. It comes in 15 calorie caramel and chocolate chews. Calcium, Vitamin D (which boosts calcium absorption), and Vitamin K (helps in formation of bone proteins).
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Jewelweed - i hear you on the difficulty in getting your calcium from food sources. I have never eaten so much cheese in my life. I am finding that fortified, unflavored Almond milk is a great way to get a calcium boost. There is over 400 mg in a cup. I add a half scoop of vanilla collagen protein powder, then it is like an afternoon snack.
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Jewelweed - I too am trying to get my calcium from food for the same reasons as you. They really push dairy for this, but it honestly doesn't have all that much calcium if you look at what say, half a cup of yogurt contains, or a glass of milk, etc. I really don't know why dairy has it's big "calcium claim to fame".
Anyway, I would underscore what Olma61 has said about spinach, kale, and collards. I would add mustard greens to that list also. I can already hear the groans and "barf" from some, but I also do a lot of sardines with bones, and now salmon with skin and bones also. If you're one who can eat them, go for it. It is a "love them or hate them" thing though. They have much more calcium than dairy does and they are much better for you in other ways too; lots of omega 3's. I have those fish several times a week, along with yogurt every day and many of those greens mentioned above. I also take a NOW brand D3 with K2, as that is supposed to help the calcium get to your bones, and not settle in your arteries and heart. Like PamEP mentioned, there are also prunes. I have 3 in the morning as part of breakfast, and then 3 more in my late afternoon bowl of yogurt, along with other fruit and walnuts. Those are supposed to help get that calcium to your bones too. (That's my final meal of the day, as I'm doing intermittent fasting also.) Hope this is of some help.
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Hi,
I am also doing Citracal+D3. I watch my diet both for calcium intake and for calories. Kale, spinach, lettuce and other greens are regular part of my diet and I love them and they are very healthy for other reasons too, but they include only modest amounts of calcium. Canned sardines are also regularly in my diet and those have a lot of calcium. I have read about the salmon with bones but I don't know how you can eat salmon with bones, how do you do that, Threetree?
Regarding dairy, I either eat low calorie or high calcium, since both isn't possible. If some dairy product is high-calorie, better have an inordinate high amount of calcium, e.g. hard or blue cheeses like parmiggiano or gorgonzola; otherwise, I stick to low calorie dairy (eg plain nonfat yogurt, which has decent amount of calcium and helps gut health and weight loss); I avoid the type of dairy that has lots of calories, but not that much calcium to show for it (e.g. whole milk, ice cream, cottage cheese, mozzarella); by avoid I mean, I don't eat them every day, only occasionally.
Pls correct me if I am wrong, but isn't it the case that soy milk only has calcium because its fortified with it? In that case, doesn't count as "calcium from food" in my book. Better have the supplement in a pill that doesn't add more calories to my diet.
Interesting conversation
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I'm loving this conversation!
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I agree that fortified foods would be considered the same as a supplement, if you are trying to categorize food vs non food sources of calcium.
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Cheese is great! Not the gummy stuff (which I also love), but like others said, hard cheeses. You are getting dairy, protein, amino acids, and K2 (if grass fed). An ounce is so small, like cube sized, so you can really cover your bases well. Breemster offers Grasskaas, made with the milk of cows who eat the new grass in the spring. It’s wonderful! Also, for more calcium, sheep’s milk is best. I keep a hunk of Manchego and Romano in the fridge to grate over sautéed kale, or just to have a cube before I head to bed. Also, grass fed whey, while not really high in calcium, does strengthen bones.
I’ve heard such good things about prunes, but prunes and I went to war after my surgery, when I drank two glasses of juice in a day. The pain was worse than mx, stomach surgery, and even birthing a large headed child. One day I may be brave enough to eat just one or two, but for now it’s my mortal enemy.
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Laughing Gull - I use canned salmon to get the skin and bones. I get Wild Planet canned salmon with skin and bones online, as I can't find it in the store. The stores have Wild Planet canned salmon without skin and bones, which is very yummy, but for the skin and bones, you have to go online. (Never thought I'd be touting the virtues of canned salmon!) I grew up eating sardines, so they were never a problem, but the idea of canned salmon, much less with skin and bones was just awful to me. I'd always only eaten fresh salmon. I read so many good things about salmon, especially with the skin and bones, that I decided to give it a try. The bones are more "substantial" in the canned salmon than they are in the sardines, but it really isn't bad. I alternate salmon and sardines throughout the week. I have one or the other several times a week.
I too do not believe that fortified foods count if you want to get all of your calcium from food. With the fortified stuff you are just getting the supplement in a food product, like soy milk, orange juice, etc.
One thing though that hasn't been mentioned here and I am just speculating off the top of my head, but it is my understanding that when we get nutrients from food, they are processed much differently than they are from supplements. Our bodies have a natural way of dealing with them so that we usually don't get too much of anything. It makes me wonder if we really need to find 1000 mg a day of calcium in food if that's our sole source. My understanding is that we don't absorb the supplements and fortified stuff nearly as well as we do the "real thing" in food, so to Jewelweeds concern about having to eat too much to get 1000 mg a day; maybe we don't need as much if we get it from food? I'm no expert and again, just speculating here, but it might be the case.
I've also read that most of us actually do get enough calcium in our diets, and that the problem is getting it to our bones. That's where the D3 and K2 comes in. That's what the prunes do to, apparently. They help get the calcium in our diets into our bones. (Canned salmon and sardines have lots of vitamin D also, in addition to calcium.)
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So - does prune juice provide the same function as dried prunes? Or do you need the fiber from the prunes?
BTW - I could NEVER get enough calcium no matter what I do. Yes, I love spinach & salmon & etc, but I routinely eat one meal a day and not a large one. My gyn put me on Citracal with D3 in the 1990s. I've never had any problems and calcium in blood work shows the proper level.
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Breakfast smoothie -- banana, organic frozen strawberries, Greek yogurt and apple juice or orange juice (depending on mouth sores) Maybe I will try adding kale sometime ... but not sardines!
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That is part of my problem-- I am a very light eater. I eat when I am hungry, and I stop eating when I am no longer hungry. Gagging down huge amounts of dairy is actually really hard for me. I'm tiny.
So I need the supplement. i hope Jarrow's Non eUp is as good as CitraCal, but maybe I will try that next.
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"It makes me wonder if we really need to find 1000 mg a day of calcium in food if that's our sole source. My understanding is that we don't absorb the supplements and fortified stuff nearly as well as we do the "real thing" in food, so to Jewelweeds concern about having to eat too much to get 1000 mg a day; maybe we don't need as much if we get it from food?"
I really need to get to the bottom of this! Thanks!
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I did talk to a nurse who specializes in oncology and nutrition and she told me to have up to 800mg of calcium a day. In the case of supplements, the body can't absorb more than 500mg a time. I actually skipped calcium supplements since my blood tests showed high calcium levels. I do take vitamin D3 from Pure Encapsulations.
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My endocrinologist stressed the need to get 1200 mg of elemental calcium daily and he did comment that he didn't care from what source. I don't know however if this truly answers the question about if you get your calcium from food source only however. I did press him about what types/supplements were better and he indicated no preference. He sent me home with a food calculation sheet. I will try and find it today and post a pic. It was interesting. I agree it is very hard to get enough from food, thus the almond milk daily for me. I figure maybe (ha) I can process it better than chewing a calcium carbonate tablet. I alternate the almond milk with lactose free milk. They both have roughly the same calcium although the milk isn't fortified.
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I was told 1200 my well. I have mild osteopenia and will get a other bone scan in a year. If I'm not impro ed, it will be prolia for me, and l dread that.
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I wonder if 1200 calcium would be the same amount for a petite body or plus body size. Is it one size fits all? Also, the nutritionist told me to cut on red meat and dairy. I don't really like meat but leaving without cheese and cappuccinos? Oh no!
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I am a plant based eater. There are actually good plant based cheeses now. I used to eat a lot of dairy cheese. It takes awhile to change and get used to not eating cheese and dairy. But now dairy stuff if I eat it tastes rotten to me. So I have gotten used to eating this way.
I am mildly osteopenia too. I’m not on a hormone blocker. But am now post menopausal. And I’m trying to figure out how to improve my bones….I think I get bone scan this next year 2022 again.
I know exercise does play a role in bone health. Or that’s what I understand. I’m trying to incorporate aerobic exercise. We live on a farm so I do tend to be busy around here. But more in the spring and summer and fall rather than winter. Still I am osteopenia Grrrrr
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LillyIsHere, the calcium recommendations are RDAs based on gender and age, so 1200 for female >50, 1000 for 19-50. The RDAs are set to meet the needs for about 97-98% of the population for the particular demographic, so there are probably outliers, but no good way to really tell. There are probably people who need more or less, but that goes for all the nutrients.
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I managed to take a diagnosis of ostepenia and get it totally back to normal bone health by taking 2 Citracal w/D3 per day and starting a walking program. But as Lily says, for better absorption I took (and still take) one in the morning & one at night. Two capsules provide 650 calcium & I get the rest from food.
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