How has the Pandemic affected you as a cancer patient/survivor

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  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited October 2021

    I think the tales of using the bathroom and not washing hands serves to illustrate why some things need to be mandated. Let me start by saying that in general, I don’t want to see mandates, but it is clear that not everyone is on board with voluntary compliance. This is the case with masking I’m afraid . So counting on everyone to do everything right to curtail/prevent Covid19 spread is a lofty goal that, IMO, that can’t be achieved voluntarily.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2021

    I don't like pandemics in general, but I specifically don't like the current one that's overwhelming our healthcare systems, killing millions around the world, and requires an incredibly high adherence to all public health measures that even the minority of resistors is enough to keep the pandemic spreading so that mandates are now necessary to try to contain it.

  • wrenn
    wrenn Member Posts: 2,707
    edited October 2021

    Maybe they need to change the word "mandate" to "law" or "common decency". All laws are mandated. Most people follow the law of the land without being told they have to but sadly decency and common sense has to be forced on some people.

    Physicians here (B.C.) are being mandated to "do no harm" when advising patients even if they don't vaccinate themselves.

    Rant....I think reading should be mandated. Look up "pandemic" anti vax nutjobs.Grrrrr.

  • Chowdog
    Chowdog Member Posts: 236
    edited October 2021

    sigh, shit like this makes me feel we will never get out of the pandemic

    FL surgeon general refused to wear a mask during his meeting with FL state senator who is getting BC treatment.

    https://www.wptv.com/news/political/tina-polsky-sa...



  • AlwaysMeC
    AlwaysMeC Member Posts: 167
    edited October 2021

    Divine, I'm picky about buffets because of an experience I had watching a patron walk straight out of the bathroom stall and back to the buffet without washing.

    Also, one time I heard someone walk out of the restroom after a number 2 and that person didn't wash. I asked the gal at the front desk who it was. It turned out it was my friend and coworker! She shared food with us all the time!

  • AlwaysMeC
    AlwaysMeC Member Posts: 167
    edited October 2021

    Chowdog, just wow! Again, another example where optics comes first for a public official. What a jerk.

  • ChiSandy
    ChiSandy Member Posts: 12,133
    edited October 2021

    We're going to the Signature Room on the 95th Floor atop the ex-"Hancock" Tower for Thanksgiving. We've hosted friends there before for Thanksgiving & Easter brunch, a huge part of which has been the buffet (raw bar, salad bar, desserts). No buffet this year--you get a list of the offerings and the waitstaff brings them before & after the entrees. Reassuringly, all our guests are down with that this year.

    Our city's health commissioner, Dr. Arwady, says that if COVID metrics continue to drop (and four more states--including LA--have fallen off the city's "$#*t list" of destinations require testing & quarantining for anyone unvaccinated visiting or returning from them) she may advise lifting the indoor public-space mask mandate by Thanksgiving. Dear Dr. A: Don't do it!!!!

  • nopink2019
    nopink2019 Member Posts: 329
    edited October 2021

    CNN - "A study from Johns Hopkins University this summer showed that vaccinated immunocompromised people were 485 times more likely to end up in the hospital or die from Covid-19 compared to most vaccinated people."

    The unvaxxed affect ME & my choice to do things. So don't lay on that personal choice crap...and then cry for an icu bed when you get Covid. SerenitySTAT--👍 article from Victoria Australia.

  • ShetlandPony
    ShetlandPony Member Posts: 4,924
    edited October 2021

    Right, Dr. A, because if indoor masks have helped lower the number of covid cases, we should drop them so we can watch the cases go back up? If it ain't broke don't fix it.

    Eeewww! Buffets. I have thought they were gross for years. Let's have a whole lot of people breathe on (cough on, touch) our food, and for good measure lets all share a serving spoon then pick up our rolls with our hands.

  • ctmbsikia
    ctmbsikia Member Posts: 1,095
    edited October 2021

    Lately I have been struggling with feeling normal which I guess will never happen again in my lifetime. Things go sailing along and WHAM. Somebody dies, you've been exposed to covid once again, get tested, mask on, mask off! I'm a little crazy like that. There's folks coughing around here, my co worker was at a reunion just this past weekend and 2 vaccinated people he was with are positive. Of course I've been out as well. Just had dinner with my unvaccinated friend last night. I am visiting 2 friends Thursday night, one just lost her ex to cancer, and her best friend is facing a cancer diagnosis. I still remain diligent in my movements and if I don't feel well (which is often like right now, although I am most likely fine, it's the stress of all this!) I won't go near people. If I get sick, I get sick. Stay safe out there. Shame things will never be the same for so so many of us. I'm holding out hope for the kids though.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2021

    My family and I are homebodies and never socialized much so social distancing is our preferred practice. We hardly ate out before because my husband is a good cook. We eat well at home. Occasionally we get takeout.

    Before getting vaccinated, I only went to my medical appointments by car. Now that > 75% of our total population is fully vaccinated, we're back to using public transit (always masked).

    I don't know when I'll eat in public indoors or see a movie in a theatre again. It's never been a high priority. I have gone into small shops recently, and everyone wears a mask without any complaints. Last time I walked home from the train station, I removed my outer mask but kept one mask on because it was more comfortable with the cold air. 👍

    Buffets: Yuck!

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited October 2021

    And now, for bit of ironic humor:

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1452656420269268998

    I love how she keeps repeating that this is America! Yes, it is but that doesn’t mean you have the freedom to do whatever the heck you want!

  • PrincessButtercup
    PrincessButtercup Member Posts: 200
    edited October 2021

    My doctor continues to drive home the point that the most dangerous activities during Covid are indoor dining, movie theaters, indoor churches and other indoor activities. There is still a risk even when vaccinated. If you work in an office, don't eat in the lunchroom or break room. Airplanes are relatively safe, but airports are not. Where people let their guard down is when they remove a mask to eat or drink. My husband and I ate out (outdoor dining only) a few times during the summer, after vaccination and before the Delta variant hit. We are no longer doing that.

    Covid is an airborne virus. It's always good to wash your hands, but masks and vaccines will get us out of this pandemic.

  • wrenn
    wrenn Member Posts: 2,707
    edited October 2021

    I have two plumbers going in and out of my apt. all day today working on pipes through my wall and the unit below me. Although they have been double vaxxed and are masked it is stressful to stay in and try to keep my own mask on but I don't feel safe going out either. If I shop it is curbside (planned in advance) or early morning before crowds. I know it is a very minor problem but it just reminds me of how many things this pandemic changes things.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2021

    Here's a terrible pick up strategy during COVID times:

    Last night my younger daughter was waiting for a bus after class and visiting her older sister. A guy appears wanting to talk. She removes her earbud. He asks her to take off her mask so he can see her face. She gives him her death glare and puts her earbud back.

    I asked to be sure she didn't turn her back on him. Don't know why I worried. She has a black belt in jiu jitsu. She had sized him up and was sure she could take him down if necessary. My baby's all growed up!

  • AliceBastable
    AliceBastable Member Posts: 3,461
    edited October 2021

    SerenitySTAT, you've got a great daughter!

    I get nagged by my PCP and now my insurance company to get my eyes checked because it's been over two years. I also haven't seen my dermatologist in ages and probably should. But those are the two doctors who get right up in my face with theirs, and I'm just not comfortable with that.

    Hubby and I have been out to eat a handful of times. We only go places that have always had good distance between tables, and keep our masks on except when ordering. If the server comes to our table once we're eating, I hold my mask over my face while they're there. We took a short vacation earlier this month (for my husband's sanity) and had to eat out then, but we picked times when the restaurants weren't busy. It was during the week, so easy to avoid any crowds, and our lodging was a log cabin in a state park, so no lobbies to go through or anyone very close at any time. We ate at their lodge a few times, but always a little early or late from regular meal times, when we could get an out-of-the-way table. What used to be so easy now takes military-style planning, damn it.

  • ShetlandPony
    ShetlandPony Member Posts: 4,924
    edited October 2021

    I learned more from the article linked below than from all the talking heads on media. (And coming from Spain and not the USA, it doesn't reek of politics.) It has great illustrations that show why indoors is risky, especially indoors where people go without masks. The problem is that tiny aerosols of virus accumulate in the air, hanging around and drifting, remaining even when people have left the room. Distance may protect you from large droplets when someone coughs, laughs, etc. but it doesn't protect you from the aerosols. Going into that room even when others have left it is a risk. Outdoors the particles disperse. This is why ventilation is important.

    https://elpais.com/especiales/coronavirus-covid-19/a-room-a-bar-and-a-class-how-the-coronavirus-is-spread-through-the-air/


  • illimae
    illimae Member Posts: 5,710
    edited October 2021

    serenitystat, maybe I don’t understand the encounter your daughter had with the guy but it strikes me as totally douchey. Maybe he had some clever pick up line planned but yuk. Good thing she’s got skills and good sense.

  • Betrayal
    Betrayal Member Posts: 1,374
    edited October 2021

    My DD got us tickets to see the Bond movie "Never say Die" before its official release for a 10:45 PM showing at the IMAX. There was virtually 20 people in this huge theater and all were masked. We made sure we sat in the last row (it was an upper one so viewing was great) and there was no onw tihin 12 feet of us in any direction. Few were eating or drinking so that was a boon. The movie was great and at least for a 2 hour window, we almost felt human again with an outing. We have not eaten in a restaurant since March of 2020 (that was in Greece pre-pandemic shutdown) and do not attend large gatherings. So far our pod is just family.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2021

    Alice - I have 2 great daughters! Rather than the death stare, the older one has a devastating eye roll. 😁

    ShetlandPony - Ventilation is a critical NPI especially in schools. I wish our province would make schools safer. On the train I try to sit near the doors. At the hospital I have waited outside to minimize my indoor time. My MO has been great at seeing me soon after my blood draw.

    illimae - I don't think the guy understood how douchey he was. My kids unfortunately have too much experience getting catcalled pre-pandemic. Their creep radar is always on.

    Betrayal - I think our movie theatres would have more people than yours did. I only went maybe once a year before, so no big loss.

  • Jelson
    Jelson Member Posts: 1,535
    edited October 2021

    Wrenn- At least the plumbers were vaccinated and masked. How uncomfortable for you to feel unsafe in your own home. I hope they got everything they needed to get done today.

  • Betrayal
    Betrayal Member Posts: 1,374
    edited October 2021

    SerenitySTAT: I think because it is an IMAX and therefore more costly than a regular movie theater plus it was a 10:45 PM show that the attendance was so low. This was a day before the movie was officially released so most would rather wait. I am glad that we got to see it on the larger screen and it was action packed. Nice reprieve from Netflix only for the past year.

    I applaud your daughter's actions and it did provide with a laugh accompanied by an "atta girl". Love that each daughter has developed her own special decimation look.

  • nopink2019
    nopink2019 Member Posts: 329
    edited October 2021

    Alice-I ask if the dentist, optometrist, dermatologist etc has been vaxxed. If they refuse to have someone call to let me know or when the answer is No, I left them know I'm changing Drs. I don't want a Dr who picks & chooses what science to believe.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2021

    Betrayal - You chose a good movie to watch on IMAX. My daughter is quick on her feet. 👍

  • AliceBastable
    AliceBastable Member Posts: 3,461
    edited October 2021

    Nopink, I'll definitely ask, but with Delta, even vaxxed doesn't mean safe.

  • wrenn
    wrenn Member Posts: 2,707
    edited October 2021

    Jelson! Thank you for the kind words. I did sit near an open balcony door with blanket and went out for a bit and then had a nap with closed bedroom door and cpap filtering what I breathed. 😷

  • ctmbsikia
    ctmbsikia Member Posts: 1,095
    edited October 2021

    Someone in our office has tested positive. If I were to guess it was probably the one that was hacking yesterday. I was not in close contact. Why did they even come to work when not feeling well? I will never understand this!!!!!! Especially now with all the remote access available. I should be OK, but I am set to visit two good friends this evening, one of whom is in the beginning of a cancer diagnosis. I feel like I still need to alert them and let them choose if they want to be near me or not. I made them food, suppose I could just drop it off, visit outdoors, or indoors with a mask. Nothing is going to be normal anymore.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2021

    COVID is airborne. The virus can linger in the air for hours even when the infected person has left the room. If the person was in the office all day, the whole office has been exposed.

    If I were you, I would skip the visit with the friends tonight. You were exposed. Don't expose your friends. Assume you're infectious even without symptoms. If more people were careful, we wouldn't be in this mess.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2021

    I can't remember where I read it, but there was case found where the Delta variant was transmitted outdoors as an infected person walked past another person.

    Why take the risk if you've been exposed? Especially with a friend who is vulnerable.

    ETA: I don't mean to be harsh. You will likely be fine since you're vaccinated and not in active treatment. Your friend is at the beginning of hers. Any exposure could at the least delay treatment.

  • wrenn
    wrenn Member Posts: 2,707
    edited October 2021

    Not long ago in BC you could be fined for exposing people if you had been exposed yourself. You were required to isolate for 14 days. I think that rule has eased which is strange since Delta is so easily transmitted. I agree with serenity.

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