Invasive Ductal Carcinoma
Hi there,
My wife had a mammogram and ultrasound (roughly one month ago) that showed lesions and some crystalized lesions in her right breast. 95% chance of malignancy, 5 out of 6 on the BI-RADS scale. She has had her biopsy October 15, 2021 and on October 22, 2021 we had word that some of the biopsy results were back and they labelled it as Invasive Ductal Carcinoma. We currently have no information on spread speed or what it reacts to.
I am researching so we can wrap our heads around this new challenge.
In hopes of slowing it down, we have started a vegan, unrefined food, no refined sugar diet high in fruit and veggies, and will refine this as we go. She is a vegetarian, so this wasn't a far jump. She has started taking CBD oil and iron supplements as she is a bit anemic. We really don't know much until the full biopsy results are back, but we wanted to hit the ground running. The waiting is the worst.
Looking for any tips, information, anything that we can use at this time that will help.
WG
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Hi WG,
I am sorry you are here. Having a clean diet is good for many reasons but unfortunately sugar fueling cancer is not correct. Cancer treatments are hard on the body and we usually need all the nutrients we can get. I should add, I did the same thing as your wife is doing back in February when I was diagnosed. But then I scaled it back after I started treatment. My diet was healthy even before the diagnosis so I went back to it.
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People who ate healthy, active, never smoked, get cancer. People who did everything “wrong” get cancer. You are closing the barn door after the horse got out. She is female, so more disposed for cancer.
Everything in moderation. There may come a time when NOTHING sounds good to eat.
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wilg,
I'm sorry you & your wife are faced with her diagnosis. This website has a tremendous amount of information with links to other sites you might use in the future. For now, you don't know too much. You can expect a pathology report that will have her Stage, Grade and hormone receptiveness (estrogen & progesterone). In addition they will report on HER2 status (human growth-promoting protein on outside of cancer cells). This last one will determine if her cancer is susceptible to drugs that target this protein. This pathology report is only preliminary. The definitive pathology report will be done on the surgical sample if she is a surgical candidate. If her tumor is ER+ her tissue will probably be sent to an outside laboratory for further testing (Oncotype or Mamaprint).
At this point in time, both of you are overwhelmed. I think most of us have the experience of being suddenly swept up in a flurry of diagnostics. This can give you a sense of urgency. I'm not discounting that but her tumor(s) have most likely been there for several months to years & perhaps too small to be detectable. I think your focus on diet is a reflection of this need to just do something. I agree with Aram & Spookiesmom that no diet changes right now will change or slow the disease. A good healthy diet that does not put undue stress on either one of you is the best path forward.
Keep us posted on how things develop. Be well.
Jane
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I agree with the previous comments. Eating a clean, healthy diet is of course a good idea. But feeling comfortable, happy, and at ease is important, too, if only because the treatment process is full of discomfort, and you need to get comfort where you can. If the diet constraints get in the way of her happiness, it's time to back off. Also, protein is going to be very important, so whatever food plan is followed, make sure there is plenty of protein.
My best to you both.
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Hi wilg, sorry you find yourself here. As has been said, the links between diet & cancer are still unclear. I was vegan & teetotal for a long time before my breast ca diagnosis. I've stayed this way because veganism is an ethical decision for me....& I happen to believe it's also likely beneficial to my overall health but again, evidence here is not that great.
Alcohol we have more evidence about - my reading from the data is to drink little or not at all.
One thing that there is pretty strong evience for is exercise. There's a new book out in the field of exercise oncology which might give you guys something really tangible to do. It's called Moving Through Cancer - an exercise & strength training program for the fight of your life by Dr Kathryn Schmitz
"Smart, compassionate, practical, and inspiring, MOVING THROUGH CANCER is a terrific introduction to the surprising new science of exercise and cancer" --GRETCHEN REYNOLDS, The New York Times health columnist"
If you already exercise regularly, keep at it. If you don't, start right now.
let us know when you have more info about the tumor hormone markers & grade as that will drive a lot of the next treatment decision steps. Hang in there - the early days are the worst. It gets better!
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The waiting is absolutely the worst.
Here's some info I wish I knew when I first got my diagnosis and was terrified and waiting:
- cancer discovered through routine screening (like your wife's mammogram and my doctor's manual exam) is very likely to be early stage and even very early stage.
- early stage cancer means it's still in the breast and can't kill you. Cancer can kill you when it escapes the breasts.
- You can't be sure it hasn't escaped the breast and is still just too tiny to do any harm, and that's why even for early stage cancer we need systemic treatments like sometimes chemo or endocrine therapy. But there's a good chance it hasn't left
- early stage means that odds are strong in your favor for dying of something other than breast cancer hopefully after a full life
- mastectomy is not necessarily more protective than lumpectomy + radiation. Cancer doesn't mean automatically losing your breasts - you need to find out what applies in your particular case
- in most cases you meet the surgical oncologist first and they will give you a mini education on breast cancer and their guesses about your cancer and treatment, BUT
- you don't really know the details of your diagnosis for a very long time. It trickles in. First the biopsy results, then the hormone status, then the pathology results, then the oncotype, etc etc. This can be mental torture for some of us.
- There is a lot of mental health support out there. It's not weak to use it, as soon as now. Now is always the best time, and the waiting at the beginning is torture. A primary care doc or gyn should be willing to write a script for something for the anxiety. Do what you need to do to get through this time
- the surgical oncologist is not in charge of or an expert in the post surgery treatment. You'll be making those decisions with the medical oncologist. That's a really important relationship because it should be the most long term one.
- you don't really know the details of your diagnosis for a very long time. It trickles in. First the biopsy results, then the hormone status, then the pathology results, then the oncotype, etc etc. This can be mental torture for some of us.
There's more I guess, but I think for further down the path. I would emphasize: *Do what you need to do to get through this time*
If that's a strict diet, so be it. If it's cookies and ice cream, so be it. If it's exercising like mad, fine. If it's binging on tv, fine. If it involves prescription medication, great. If there's yoga, terrific.
In most cases, a cancer diagnosis is not a medical emergency, but it can definitely be a mental health crisis. Take care of your mental health, that is the most good you can do for yourself right now.
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Very well done, Salamandra. I hope all the knowledge contained within your post is a comfort to the many women that will face this down the road, especially the advice to "Do what you need to do to get through this time". So many will put additional pressure on themselves to drastically change everything at once and that is very exhausting.
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I wouldn’t go supplementing iron right now without a doctor’s direction. It is inflammatory and maybe even unnecessary. Some gold ole black strap molasses, or other natural sources, should help until you have more info from her doctors.
I’m sorry y’all are going through this, but think it’s wonderful you are trying to help your wife through the shock. I hope you both find some good information on this forum to help you understand treatment decisions.
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Thank you to everyone for or the kind words and advice.
wilg
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The black strap molasses is good as a beverage, one tablespoon in a cup of very hot water. It's the easiest way to use it if you're not used to the taste.
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