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  • Rebecca
    Rebecca Member Posts: 971
    edited March 2007

    Oh and Lynn, or anyone else who has been taking Taxotere for a while...have any of you experienced leg weakness? I am finding that my legs are very weak and wobbly, and that they fatigue very fast. I can not walk very fast, or stand for very long without having to sit. scary.

  • Dar1
    Dar1 Member Posts: 146
    edited March 2007
    Ilene - I think that some doctors need a cencor between their minds and their mouths! They don't think sometimes about how their words effect us.
    In Canada, my treatment was all covered by our provincial health care, EXCEPT for the anti-nausea medications! I have private supplementary insurance through work that covered 100% of that. They don't seem to use the Neulesta/Neuprogen shots so much here, but my friends sister needed them in her treatment 2 years ago and they were not covered. She said they were $1,500 each and were covered by her private plan. My doctor told me that the public health care does cover them now under some conditions. If I would have needed them (I didn't have dose-dense) my private plan would have paid. I'm also told that the gov't covers our Tamoxifen/AI. I go today to see the doctor and get started on that, so I'll find out. They said at the Cancer Centre that if you didn't have private insurance to talk to the social worker - I think they have donations to help those who can't afford the anti-emetics. Mine were about $500 for the four treatments.
    Day care here is another issue! My grand daughter is 2 1/2 and would like to be around other kids. Her parents trade off - he works days, she works evenings. That works well, but she needs some friends. Day care here is very expensive, but the workers are grossly underpaid - and there are waiting lists for a spot. Makes is hard for young parents.
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2007

    Caya - your not the last, my last tx is scheduled for May 11 so we will finish together.

  • meliaanne
    meliaanne Member Posts: 682
    edited March 2007
    I think I am last; my taxol (12) starts April 11, ends June 27. Sigh.
    Melia
  • Ihopeg
    Ihopeg Member Posts: 399
    edited March 2007
    Here is an article that came out today. I thought it was veryinteresting.
    updated:2007-03-28 09:51:14
    Cancer Society Recommends Breast MRIs
    By MIKE STOBBE
    AP
    ATLANTA (March 28) - Up to 1.4 million U.S. women -- those with an unusually high risk of developing breast cancer -- should get annual MRIs as well as mammograms, the American Cancer Society advises in new guidelines.

    And a new medical study suggests that all women newly diagnosed with breast cancer should get MRIs, too. The scans revealed cancers in the opposite breast that were missed by ordinary mammograms in 3 percent of these cancer survivors.

    The study came out after the cancer society developed its guidelines, which are the first to recommend MRI for screening women who show no signs of cancer.

    The guidelines are directed at symptomless women age 30 and older who have a mutation in the BRCA1 or BRCA2 genes; those who were treated for Hodgkin's disease; or those with a strong family history of the disease, such as women with two or more close relatives who had breast or ovarian cancer or who have a close relative who developed breast cancer before age 50.

    As many as 1.4 million women fall into the affected group, according to an American Cancer Society estimate.

    Doctors usually screen for breast cancer using mammography, an X-ray technique that can spot dense masses like tumors.

    MRI, or magnetic resonance imaging, makes more detailed images with a magnet and radio waves -- but without radiation. MRIs are better at showing increased or abnormal blood flow in the breast, a sign of early cancers not visible on a mammogram. They also are better than mammograms at detecting cancer in women with dense, non-fatty breasts.

    But MRI screening is not being recommended for most women. One reason is the test's error rate, which can lead to unnecessary biopsies.

    Another is the high cost. While a mammogram costs roughly $100 to $150, an MRI can cost $2,000 or more at some medical centers, experts said.

    "It's very, very expensive," said Robert Smith, the cancer society's director of cancer screening. Many insurers cover MRI screenings, but not all do, Smith and others said.

    Insurers generally follow government guidelines, but the cancer society guidelines could prove influential, according to experts.

    The new guidelines were being announced Wednesday, the same time the New England Journal of Medicine was releasing a national study that suggests women who have cancer diagnosed in one breast should get an MRI in the other.

    The study, led by Dr. Constance Lehman of the University of Washington Medical Center, looked at nearly 1,000 women recently diagnosed with cancer in one breast but who had no detected cancer in the second breast.

    MRIs of the second breast found possible tumors in 121 of the women. Biopsies confirmed cancer in 30 of them.

    "It's a pretty striking effect," said Dr. Carl Jaffe of the National Cancer Institute, which sponsored the study.

    But it does not suggest MRIs should replace mammograms, which spot calcium deposits better than MRIs do, said Dr. Etta Pisano of the University of North Carolina, one of the study's authors.

    "The take-home message of our paper is not, 'Don't get mammography.' It's 'Get MRI and mammography,'" she said.

    Cancer society officials urged women to carefully choose the clinic that does the MRI. They noted that some facilities that offer MRI lack the expertise and equipment to do an MRI-guided biopsy, meaning the MRI will have to be repeated elsewhere if a possible tumor is found. Breast MRIs should be done at places that do biopsies as well, they said.

    This year, the American College of Radiology is expected to start a voluntary accreditation program to help ensure the quality of breast MRI testing, cancer society officials said.

    For women at high risk for breast cancer, the test is definitely worthwhile, said Courtney From Hirsch, 26, of Raleigh, N.C. She feels that way despite MRI errors that led to two unnecessary biopsies.

    Hirsch's mother was diagnosed with breast cancer in 2004, and Hirsch and her younger sister both tested positive for the BRCA1 mutation. They are among an estimated 22,000 women in the United States who have tested positive in the 10 years since the test became available.

    Hirsch said she also has the kind of dense breasts that are problematic for mammograms.

    She's had four breast MRIs in the past two years, two of them done as part of biopsies, but fortunately nothing has been found.

    There are downsides, she said: Lying in an MRI scanner for an hour or more can be uncomfortable. Her family has paid $10,000 out-of-pocket for uncovered costs from mammograms, MRIs and biopsies in the last two years. It can be difficult to schedule "magnet time" at the busy UNC cancer center where she gets her screenings. False positives can be frightening, and one of the biopsies left scarring that she said was visible at her February wedding.

    "I'd rather have as many scars as I need to on my body to prevent getting cancer," she said.


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  • sharon56
    sharon56 Member Posts: 220
    edited March 2007
    My nails are ok so far no problems , i put hard as nails nail polish on , but they are not growing as fast as they used to . I do get verrry weak and find myself very shaky with the tax up and down one day lots of energy the next i have to force myself to get out of bed , I also get a cold and sort of clammy back and find to hard to keep warm even in the house . My ears do get water in them from showering and get plugged easier maybe because my hair kept the water out before ? . I do not sweat much , but feel like i do . Maybe its the dope coming out of our pores ? Weird stuff
    The nausea is gone , but the weakness and fatigue seem to be greater than the FEC .
    Caya I go for genetic counseling in Nov ! A bit of a wait and even then there is no guarantee that I will get tested until after the interview . I always thought that the oncologist could do the test but i guess not . Ontario has some funny rules ??
    At least its getting warmer out and I can get outside more often.
    The chemo has slowed me down alot just waiting to get it done and over with is the hard part .
    Yeah and some doctors do get a tad outspoken ...... manners seem to be lacking is some . !!!!
  • Brenda_R
    Brenda_R Member Posts: 509
    edited March 2007
    Hi Ladies.
    Well, I made it through my chemo. I just had number 4 today, and wanted to drop a line here to let you all know that I made it through, before it hits me. I know from last time that I will be sick for 2 weeks. I tried to get the onco to give me a lower dose, but that didn't work. Lol

    Now I'm also set to start rads next month. Moving on, for better or worse.
    I'm checking into the Herceptin, as the insurance co. doesn't want to cover the cost that I'm being charged for it, and I can't afford the difference.
  • Amera
    Amera Member Posts: 452
    edited March 2007
    Good afternoon gals. I am finally coming out of my coma. Round 4 hit haaaaard. Mostly sleeping but have a tiny little bit of energy back. Hope everyone else is doing well.

    Anyhow, just thought I'd ask if any of you are using Nioxin to accelerate hair growth. I am *very* skeptical but some women swear by it. It's expensive and I have a hard time believing it but am willing to try. Maybe it makes you feel better because you are doing *something* to help the process along.

    On a side note, I Googled "Nioxin and chemo hair loss" and got a site about bald belly dancers. Apparently this is a big concern. Not all the women had been through chemo either. Thought it was kinda funny.
  • Rebecca
    Rebecca Member Posts: 971
    edited March 2007
    Quote:

    I'm checking into the Herceptin, as the insurance co. doesn't want to cover the cost that I'm being charged for it, and I can't afford the difference.




    Yuck Brenda that really stinks! How do these company executives sleep at night? How on EARTH can they justfiy not covering a medication like Herceptin?!? It is absolutely inhuman and cruel. My heart goes out to you. Feel well.
  • Rebecca
    Rebecca Member Posts: 971
    edited March 2007
    Amera, Glad you are feeling better! I thought round 4 was particularly bad as well...NOT looking forward to #5!

    I am basically planning to let nature take its course as far as hair goes. It will come back. In fact, I even get a bit of stubble growth between infusions, so I know those cells DO wake up after a while! I am still bald as a ping pong ball, but the scratchy little stubbles give me hope. The hair on my arms and legs does not appear to experience rebound like that, but I can do without THOSE hairs anyway
  • mer1957
    mer1957 Member Posts: 534
    edited March 2007

    Yes I have that slight ear thing but didn't know where it was coming from. Soon this will be over.

  • jonimb
    jonimb Member Posts: 900
    edited March 2007
    Nancy, sounds like you had a good trip visiting your brother, and yes I too have that waxy ear thing too, just like you and Mary. Mary, I'm also using Celebrex for muscle and joint pain, I find it works really well.

    I feel for you Rebecca and Amera. My Chemo #2 was horrid, and it had me down for almost 2 1/2 weeks. I've found #5 which I just had on Monday, pretty good, except I'm having more and more hot flashes...my own mini tropics. I keep a wet face cloth by my bed at night.

    I went for a long walk today, and then to this new bargain store, and I bought the cutest "Garden Turtles" for my yard. Made me think of Turtle faces...so had a little bit of a laugh

    My nails have white lines going across, and I can see 3 or 4 lines, so I think it happens after each chemo. Lynn my swollen eyes only lasted for Tuesday morning, and by last night they were back to normal, I think it's because my eyes water so bad, from no eyelashes.

    Caya good luck on the BRCA testing, MizSissy it is nice to see you have your laptop back.

    I have not gotten any of the Neulasta shots, I don't think they give them out as frequently in Canada, and my oncologist has never brought them up. All my blood work comes back pretty good, so I guess it's one less worry to have.

    Shorti, one of the girls from Radium Hot springs wants to have a get together, so maybe you could join in if you come out. I emailed Darlene to see if she would be interested too. We can always just meet you for lunch or something in Calgary too, but a weekend away might be fun.

    Jan did you get a port? Skye & Jan if what happened to you guys happened to me in the chemo room, I'm afraid I would have tossed my cookies. I would never make it as a nurse.

    Tropic Mom, hope your treatment puts you into NED quickly. They are now treating Stage IV as a chronic disease.

    Ilene, I can understand your frustration with that doctor, holy cow, does he know how to "hurt people" or what.

    Robertin, you look fabulous Bald, whereas, I look like Yoda, or maybe one of my Garden turtles....hahaha.

    Aladora, you do what is best for your family.

    Robbin are you doing okay, and where is Viddie, haven't heard from those two lately...or Vicky. Got to check in ladies...so we don't worry.

    Pics please for our January chemo girls scrapbook, have a few, but still need quite a few more.

    Big Hugs to all.....


    Joni
  • viddie
    viddie Member Posts: 547
    edited March 2007
    Hi all,

    Melia, I might have you beat. I start my taxol/herceptin on April 19 for 12 weeks. That takes me until July 5. Aren't I lucky!! Then mastectomy, with herceptin continuing until April 19,2008.

    Nancy,
    I have ringing in my ears since I started A/C. Someone on another board said that ringing can be a s/e of A/C. Anyone else have that problem?
    What about shaking hands as a s/e?

    Jan, my BS put in my port.

    Brenda,
    Congrats on your last chemo. It is not right that your insurance will not pay for your herceptin. Can your oncologist write a "letter of necessity"?
    I had to get a letter for the Emend.

    Amera,
    I am glad you are feeling better. Now onto rads.

    I am going to my last A/C tomorrow. Yeh!!!! Looking forward to it and also not looking forward to it at the same time. My stomach in particular is dreading the next week. I just have to keep focusing on next Thursday- when hopefully the worst s/e will have passed. Right everyone?

    I just skimmed the posts, so sorry if I missed anyone.
    Catch you all later.

    Viddie
  • viddie
    viddie Member Posts: 547
    edited March 2007
    Joni,
    Did you get a lot of snow?
    A turtle garden sounds like a nice idea. Whenever I go into a grocery store, I think of those turtle faces and it helps get me through the store- now I kinda of laugh to myself and continue on my way.
    Thanks for missing me.
    Viddie
  • Nancyab
    Nancyab Member Posts: 276
    edited March 2007
    Hi Viddie,
    I don't have the ringing. You poor thing, if it's not one thing it's another. That would drive me crazy. The sticky feeling in the ears is irritating enough without the noise. I kept my eyelashes all through AC and now after 2 taxol I have none. My eyes hurts so that tells me that eyelashes are not only pretty but a very necessary thing. God knew what he was doing there! LOL ByE for now
  • Caya
    Caya Member Posts: 971
    edited March 2007
    Hi all,

    I was at a Look Good Feel Better session today - it was lovely, a nice 2 hours, great makeup.
    I'm going for my first of 3 Taxotere infusions tomorrow - I'm nervous, because it seems the possible side effects aren't too terrific ( are any of them- lol?)...
    I was tired and slept a bit this afternoon, I'm going to bed soon because I have to get up at 6:00 a.m. to be downtown at the hospital for chemo.
    Sorry I just skimmed the posts today, too tired and anxious about tomorrow.
    Hope everyone is feeling okay, looking forward to the chemo being over, however like Viddie, Skye, and Brenda I'll be on Herceptin. Brenda - please press on with your insurance company - Or speak to your local Cancer Society about getting help. This is pathetic.
    I hate hearing about how many of you ladies in the U.S. have to pay for many of your drugs, treatments, have to fill out endless forms your insurance etc. ,and some just don't get the treatment they need etc. I am not saying the medical system here in Canada is perfect - it is not. There are longer wait times for certain surgeries, seeing a specialist sometimes, and it is harder to get some tests done lickety split. But I am very grateful that our health coverage here is "free" - it really isn't because I think we pay higher taxes up here, but then again, I never have to worry about payment for any kind of treatment, or to deal with the insurance on major issues. I think we have enough to deal with when someone in the family is very ill, and I can honestly say that once I was diagnosed I was seen by the onc. and breast surgeon pretty quickly - within 10 days for both. All scans and other tests were done in a timely manner. Now this may be because I live just north of Toronto and have access to all the latest procedures and some of the biggest cancer centres in Canada. But I am still grateful.
    Good night everyone, you gals are a true inspiration.
    hugs
    Caya
  • tlc60
    tlc60 Member Posts: 83
    edited March 2007
    Hi Ladies:
    I just returned from Taxoter #2, (I'm doing dose dense, 4 A/C, followed by 4 Taxotere. Like most of you the fatigue is the killer for me.
    I don't post too often, but I do read. You all are such a great support to me, and I appreciate all your insightful thoughts. You have made this "journey" easier to deal with. You are all in my prayers often.
    Thanks for being there,

    tlc
    6 down, 2 to go!
  • meliaanne
    meliaanne Member Posts: 682
    edited March 2007
    Hi all,
    For those of you getting herceptin,how is it given? I am triple neg so it isn't an option for me, but I am just curious. Do you get your hair back with it? It sounds like a long treatment cycle?

    I am one week post # 4 ac (soooo glad to be done with that) and the mouth sores are back in force. I thought I had fought them off, but guess not. The vit E clears them up overnight but then they are back in full force by evening. I guess I should try to use it at work too. I do use biotene at work, and the magic mouthwash at night. At least it is keeping my weight down, since most things hurt to eat. I had scrambled eggs tonight but that doesn't work for lunch, since I can't fix them at work. I guess I am lucky not to have more problems than slight nausea and mouth sores.

    Have a good night all. Sweet dreams.

    Melia
  • horsegal
    horsegal Member Posts: 103
    edited March 2007
    I'm sorry to be stupid, but what is NED??

    Thanks, Jen
  • Caya
    Caya Member Posts: 971
    edited March 2007
    No evidence of disease.

    You're not stupid Jen, we all asked that in the beginning.
    Off for my Taxotere now.
    Caya
  • horsegal
    horsegal Member Posts: 103
    edited March 2007
    Caya -
    Thanks for the info! I knew it had to be something like that, but couldn't figure out what the initials stood for! Good luck with your treatment today - Jen
  • IowaCindy
    IowaCindy Member Posts: 341
    edited March 2007
    yeah, I had weak legs after my first Taxotere. That was rather scary. Also woke in the night with leg twitches and spasms. And my eyes started to have twitches too. The doctor put me on Mirapex. It's helped everything but the eyes. They're still randomly twitching.

    Cindy
  • IowaCindy
    IowaCindy Member Posts: 341
    edited March 2007
    Funny you should mention Nioxin. Just yesterday the hair dresser at my nursing home pulled me aside and strongly encouraged me to try it. She said it helps clean the chemicals out of the pores, encourages blood flow to the scalp to help with the hair growth. I asked her if you were supposed to wait until chemo is done and she said no, start now.

    She got permission from the administration to order some for me. I can get it at a cheaper price than if I went to a supply house.

    I'm skeptical too but she was so certain.

    Cindy - still doing a billiard ball impression
  • Rebecca
    Rebecca Member Posts: 971
    edited March 2007
    Cindy you really started my day with a smile! Billiard ball impression indeed

    My onc seems to have a habit of shrugging his shoulders and sighing "chemo" when I mention a new side effect, and unless I specifically ask for something (like magic mouthwash) he does not offer anything other than the meds for nausea. I mentioned the wobbly legs to him at one point, and he gave me a quick neurological assesment, but no solutions. I guess I will just have to tough it out. So far I have been very fortunate because I am not incapacitated....but yesterday I was tired climbing stairs which was scary for me...especially since 6 months ago I was skipping up those very same stairs. If it gets worse, at least I know what to ask for, now!
  • robertin
    robertin Member Posts: 78
    edited March 2007
    Hey guys,
    I had my first Taxol treatment on Tuesday. They sure watch you like a hawk to make sure no nasty side effects happen, but it went smoothly and I slept a lot. Yesterday was an incredible day. I actually had energy and worked all day. Today I have a slight pain in my hips - kinds of like when you go camping. Well, that's nothing too painful, so this will the first post-chemo Thursday that I will be at work. Wow! So far I like this Taxol a lot better. I might start swimming next week.
    I mentioned the $10,000 Neulasta shot to my onc. She had no idea the hospital charged so much, but she's going to look into it.
  • Rebecca
    Rebecca Member Posts: 971
    edited March 2007
    Hi Robertin!

    if the hospital is obstinate about that horrible charge, I have also heard that you can contact the pharamceutical company directly for help. The have deep pockets, and they do not like to be sued because people can not afford medications. In your case, though I think that it is the hospital that is gouging you....that is really crazy!

    Brenda-this might be good for you too so that you can get your Herceptin.
  • Amera
    Amera Member Posts: 452
    edited March 2007

    So are we all considered high risk? I was listening to something on NPR about it yesterday and I still cannot figure it out. My surgeon said I would get alternating MRIs with mammos every 6 months. My tumor never showed up on mammo. The oncologist said that they would probably just go with mammo. I'm not convinced this is the answer. I think I will push for MRI at least once a year. I think it's the surgeon who decides, right? They do the scans? I will have to ask.

  • Dar1
    Dar1 Member Posts: 146
    edited March 2007
    Hi all - I went for my follow-up appt. yesterday. My doctor is sick, so I saw the other doc - for about 5 minutes after waiting for 2 hours. Frustrating, but what can you expect when 1 is covering for 2. By the time I got out of there the pharmacy was closed, so I will start Tamoxifen today. I spoke for awhile with the nurse though.

    I'm not getting taxol or herceptin, but a friend of mine in New Brunswick is on that now. She was diagnosed in 2005 and had FEC, which she found very hard. She gets taxol 3 weeks out of 4, herceptin every week for 3 months, then (I think) once a month for a year. She is finding it a breeze! Taxol effects the hair, but herceptin does not. I met a lady a couple of weeks ago who was finishing her treatment -she had lost her hair from the AC just about a year ago and had been on herceptin all year - just about done. She had a lovely head of salt and pepper hair. I was so jealous! And she was so proud of her hair - it was good to see. She looked very well.

    So I am done with the Cancer Centre for 3 months - barring any unforeseen SE. What a trip it has been (and is).
  • Rebecca
    Rebecca Member Posts: 971
    edited March 2007

    Yippeee Dar1!!!!

  • Amera
    Amera Member Posts: 452
    edited March 2007
    So most/all of us are close to finishing the AC part of the chemo right? Yeah! Let's hope the rest is easier.

    I was supposed to do Herceptin every 3 weeks, but am not. I talked to a woman the other day who was doing it. I think she said the initial infusion was about an hour but the rest were only 20 mins. No real side effects either. It's not considered chemo, I guess. Hopefully that will go well for those gals doing it.

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