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I’ve been taking mag for years for SVT and sleep. I was planning to continue when I start tam. But I’ve read on pubmed that there’s a mechanism in which it feeds BC tumor growth. Obviously, once the tumor is removed, I guess it won’t be growing, but I don’t understand if it actually promotes BC cell initiation or just promotes growth once it goes from cell to tumor.

I’m sorry if I sound so ignorant about this. I understand different sorts of cardiac issues and Parkinson’s, but this cancer thing is so complex! It’s a whole other universe to me.

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  • Monarchandthemilkweed
    Monarchandthemilkweed Member Posts: 176
    edited August 2021

    I’m interested in the answer too. I always have tsken magnesium for sleep as well. I stopped at diagnosis and haven’t resumed but was planning to after chemo.

  • Bayla
    Bayla Member Posts: 4
    edited August 2021

    Following. I take magnesium citrate for multiple reasons including nerve and muscle health for my back pain, migraine prevention, and normal bowel. When I asked my MO about my supplements, he would not engage in a conversation and said to take what I want after standard treatment. I never thought about stopping magnesium, but now I will question it. Thanks.

  • ShetlandPony
    ShetlandPony Member Posts: 4,924
    edited August 2021

    Waves, could you give us the citation so we can read the article that concerns you? I looked up magnesium on the Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center integrative medicine site, where they provide information about herbs, botanicals, and supplements. For magnesium they describe many benefits, and what drugs and health conditions it may interact with, but it does not describe any concerns with breast cancer or with cancer therapy, except to say that monoclonal antibody treatments may cause low magnesium. I take it for bone health, with my onc's ok.

    https://www.mskcc.org/cancer-care/integrative-medicine/herbs/magnesium



  • Esther01
    Esther01 Member Posts: 294
    edited August 2021

    My IMD has had me on 200-400 mg magnesium daily since diagnosis (Optimag Neuro by Xymogen). My SpectraCell soon after diagnosis showed that I was deficient.

    I looked magnesium up in the book that I have been reading by Dr. Mark Stengler and Dr. Paul Anderson (2018: Outside the Box Cancer Therapies, Hay House Inc.). Here's what they say on pg 54 about magnesium supplementation during chemo:

    "Alkylating agents that are platinum-based... are given to approximately half of all patients undergoing chemotherapy... These anticancer agents have shown in multiple studies to cause magnesium deficiency." It says that cisplatin, carboplatin, oxaliplatin, pyriplatin and phenenthriplatin are platinum-based. It then goes on to describe the symptoms of magnesium deficiency (muscle cramps, fatigue, insomnia, etc).

    It further reads, "Research has shown that between 41 percent and 100 percent of patients receiving low dose cisplatin became deficient in magnesium. Research has also shown that magnesium supplementation during platinum-based chemotherapy signfiicantly reduces the degree of low magnesium levels. It is recommended that everyone on this type of chemotherapy take supplemental magnesium either orally (400 mg daily) or intravenously. Speak with your oncologist and integrative doctor about magnesium supplementation as part of your treatment."

    I really like this book because they include over 300 footnoted studies in each chapter, and I had never seen the majority of the studies they highlight. Here are the studies to which they were referring here:

    TC Johnstone et al, "Understanding and improving platinum anticancer drugs- phenanthriplatin" in Anticancer Research, 2014, 34(1): 471-476.

    JE Buckley et al., "Hypomagnesemia after cisplatin combination chemotherapy," Archives of Internal Medicine, 1984 (sounds like an old study), found at https://doi.org/10.1001/archinte.1984.003502200630...

    E. Hodgkinson et al., "Magnesium depletion in patients receiving cisplatin-based chemotherapy," Clinical Oncology (Royal College of Radiologists (Great Britain), 2006 Nov, 18(9):710-8.

    Blessings,

    Esther


  • Esther01
    Esther01 Member Posts: 294
    edited August 2021

    Oops, I meant to include the front cover.

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  • Waves2Stars
    Waves2Stars Member Posts: 158
    edited August 2021

    The studies I’ve seen talk about it promoting tumor growth.

    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12011-017-1207-8

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32761610/

    Since I don’t have access, I can’t find out how much an association there is or if it’s specific to BC subtypes. I’m really curious

  • purple32
    purple32 Member Posts: 3,188
    edited September 2021

    I take MG with my CA or they say CA doesn't work. UGH I have osteoporosis


  • moth
    moth Member Posts: 4,800
    edited September 2021

    I have a copy of one of those articles wavestostars if you want it - the first one. It's more about the cell biology & how during early oncogenesis the cell take up a lot of Mg. lmk if you want it.

    They also linked to this article which is open access; https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC47594...

    "The inverse association of higher total magnesium intake with all-cause mortality was primarily presented among postmenopausal women and was stronger among women who had a high Ca:Mg intake ratio (>2.59). There were no clear associations for prognosis with intake of calcium. We found that magnesium intake alone may improve overall survival following breast cancer, and the association may be stronger among those with high Ca:Mg intake ratio."

  • Waves2Stars
    Waves2Stars Member Posts: 158
    edited September 2021

    Thank you, Moth! There is probably a difference in cellular uptake of Mg vs a causal connection. Also, thanks for the link to the second article!

  • BlueGirlRedState
    BlueGirlRedState Member Posts: 1,031
    edited September 2021

    I did find increasing Mg helped with muscle cramps (calf) while taking Tamoxifen 2009-2014. At the tie I was taking Ca/Mg that had reocmmended 100% Ca and 50% Mg. I was not worried about Mg since it seemed abundant in many foods I ate. When I switched to 100% Mg and 50% Ca, the cramps almost disappeared. Also I was a little worried about how much Ca since too much ( how much is too much??) seems to be linked to heart issues for women. I eat quite a bit of yogurt, cheese, milk. NIH fact sheet on Mg. I guess I'll use more pumpkin seeds on the salads. I wonder if kobocha or some of the other sweet squashes I planted have it. https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Magnesium-HealthProfessional/

  • Carlsoda
    Carlsoda Member Posts: 249
    edited September 2021

    I’ve been taking 400mg of magnesium glycinate for years and years and my oncologist never said anything about it. She did take me off tumeric and my very high Vit c during chemo. I know magnesium really helps with my foot craps and over all joint soreness.

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