In Favor of Feminism: Share Your Views
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SummerAngel, maybe the pro-lifers YOU personally know have convinced you that they aren't anti-women, but that is not everyone's truth. And I don't care if any man claims to be pro-life, because it's none of his business in the first place. Most pro-life people are merely pro-zygote, pro-embryo, and pro-fetus. They do not care about babies, children, adolescents, or adults, except to control them.
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I should explain my posts. I am a committed feminist. I have lots of strong emotions (rage mostly) about the latest efforts to restrict abortion (Texas and elsewhere). I get it. What I want to add to the conversation is information from research on the topic of reproduction that informs the discussion and might be helpful in thinking about the issue. Diana Greene Foster, a UCSF professor, studied women who were turned away from abortions because their pregnancies were too advanced and compared their life conditions with women who were able to get abortions. She finds that not being able to get an abortion pushes these women and their families into increased economic problems and poverty for many years. Her research is reported in The 19th.
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Alice, keep in mind that you're speaking about my mother, whom I love very much. She is, overall, a very caring person. She has given a lot of her time and money helping women who were unexpectedly pregnant and wanted to keep the baby. She is not a monster. This is a problem I've seen over and over again with this issue: The inability to even attempt to comprehend what the other side is thinking and feeling. It leads to stonewalling on the issue and we'll never get anywhere that way.
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SummerAngel, I get that you love your mother. I also have "pro-life" relatives who donate money and items to new mothers and their babies. Good for them. But I really dislike the ones who say they are pro-life but picket choice clinics, or won't assist women (frequently girls!) who decide not to stay pregnant. And those babies don't stay newborn forever. Are the pro-lifers, even the "nice" ones, keeping those kids clothed and fed until they're adults? Are they finding college assistance or scholarships for them when the time comes? Are they babysitting them when the mother has to work extra hours or two jobs, or when she just needs a break so she doesn't crack up?
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I have many things to say on the topic of abortion so I will make numerous posts. I try my best not to mix politics with the feminism thread but in this case it's necessary in order to make a few points.
To start with, illimae, yes, teaching prevention of pregnancy would be a logical place to start in curbing abortion. However, not all states require sex education be taught in school (see chart, next post) Texas does not require it. But if they do teach it, the majority focus on abstinence-only. (chart, next post). Now when in the history of mankind has abstinence ever been effective among the masses?
Never.
Then there's the assault of the Trump administration on Title X funding which grants about $260 million a year to family planning clinics and related health services for low income and uninsured individuals. It serves about 4 million women annually through independent clinics. Forty percent of those women use Planned Parenthood affiliates. His administration ruled Title X grant recipients cannot discuss abortion or they lose funding.
Since Planned Parenthood does not perform abortions but does inform individuals about them, they withdrew from the Title X program, losing millions and loss of reproductive health care for many of their clients. So less education about pregnancy prevention.
Another thing. In the 1980s, Republicans made abortion a campaign issue when Reagan ran for president as a way to win votes. Many do not believe it was ever about saving the unborn. They just wanted power. And yes, the media magnify the two polarized sides of this debate because that's money in their coffers from this hot button issue. You are not going reap the same kind of salacious headlines with the topic of "teaching women and teens how to prevent pregnancy".
One more note. During Trump's term, he appointed 220 federal judges who serve for a life term. Many are conservative, young white males. He did his part to pack the courts so more rulings fall in favor of Republicans who do not seem to believe in women's equality. Keeping women poor and pregnant and raising children with little means doesn't seem to be a problem to them.
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The following statistics are from 2015. Only recently has Texas voted to update their sex ed policies (after 23 years) which go into effect next year; however, abstinence is still heavily favored and sex ed will still not be a school requirement. -
Here is a FB poster also perplexed why Texas doesn’t use other measures to address abortion, and a few replies she received:
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Divine, the stats for Texas are really disappointing but not entirely unexpected, just this morning I had to scroll through several channels to find something other than religious programming or football.
Growing up in California, I was fortunate to have Health class coving real issues like STDs/AIDS without any churchy preaching at all. Unfortunately, so many issues are intertwined that it’s nearly impossible to educate simple facts without people jumping in to stop it. I wish more parents would teach their kids, both male and female, what school doesn’t (sex ed, finance, dealing with life difficulties).
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illimae, I so agree when you say: “Unfortunately, so many issues are intertwined that it's nearly impossible to educate simple facts without people jumping in to stop it.“
It is difficult to even have a conversation on the topic of abortion it is so taboo. If you say you are pro-choice, another will accuse you of being “pro-abortion." A twisting of words that confuses the issue. There is a lot of nuance on this topic, but for many, there is no room for discussion. I don't think I've ever had a person in real life ask me where I stand on the issue, or even bring it up at all, other than several women I know who had one.
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France, Britain and Spain are pretty low on this list, which is relevant to the contraception issue. While I support religious freedom, it has no place in policy and influence in education. The US needs to teach that at home, if it’s important to the family.
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Wow. I had no idea what role religion played in other countries, so that’s a fascinating chart.
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One more post on the topic today, tho I still have more to say and will get back here in a day or two.
“A satirical group in Nebraska are looking to fight abortion reformers with a tongue-in-cheek campaign called 'Boners Kill'. The organization, known as Pro-Life Nebraska, describes themselves as a group that advocates for policies that "actually save lives" without "controlling the bodies of people with uteruses, killing them, or resulting in unwanted birth". They created this pamphlet:
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Divin...I posted the prolifnebraska website on facebook.
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Thanks Divine, posted to facebook prolifenebraska - boners kill. Waiting for replies.
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Devine - love the "how can I prevent abortion" - ejaculate into jello. Woo Hoo.
As I see it & lots of posts on this site concur - they are not supporting "right to life". They are supporting "right to birth". After the kid drops, they don't care about the life of the baby. And certainly not the life of the mother.
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That’s right, MinusTwo. Those claiming right to life are often against providing any support for that life once it’s born. It is a control of women issue.
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DivineMrsM, "If you say you are pro-choice, another will accuse you of being 'pro-abortion.' A twisting of words that confuses the issue. There is a lot of nuance on this topic, but for many, there is no room for discussion."
Exactly, as I see being done on this very thread. If you are pro-life you are "anti-women". This is my point. How are we as Americans ever going to stop fighting about this subject if no compromises can be reached? The extremists have all of the press, all of the control. They are the ones who passed this horrible Texas law. Statistically most Americans believe abortion should be legal, but with restrictions (as it currently is in most states). Extremists won't leave it alone, though. Without open, caring conversations between those with different views I don't feel like we'll ever have a stable set of laws around abortion in this country.
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For the women who prefer to be unattached:
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Anti Cupid spray - great idea!!
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From my perspective, society conditions women to feel guilty if they want “more” out of life than just being a mother. If a woman makes the choice to abort a fetus due to financial hardship, society claims she is selfish, greedy, inhuman. Of course, men are permitted to charge full speed ahead to get whatever it is out of life that they want. Women are not to be demanding. Women must sacrifice for the good of their unborn or they are not womanly enough. So there is this box that women must fit their lives into in order to be accepted. There is no room for any thinking outside the box or it is considered abnormal. Conform. No need to think for yourself. The men will do that for you!
One answer to the abortion issue is free contraception. Yet we have states that do not want to teach students about it, much less distribute it without cost. To me, some of the debate centers around society's hang up with women's sexuality. Why, if birth control was free, all these women might go around fucking for fun! And a lot of people believe a woman should only copulate with the intent to get pregnant and have a baby. Like it’s a chore. Women are expected to look sexy and appealing, but that is for the benefit of the male gaze. Men have always been given a pass to "sow their wild oats". Society does not want women to indulge.
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Here is yet another perspective on Texas' abortion ruling. In the case of rape, a victim has only six weeks to discover whether she is pregnant. Yet Texas has 12 weeks to process a rape kit, giving a rapist 90 days to flee. Texas currently has more than 6,000 untested rape kits sitting on shelves.
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Link to end the backlog website: https://www.endthebacklog.org/
Excerpt from site:Though experts estimate that there are hundreds of thousands of untested kits in police and crime lab storage facilities throughout the country, there is no comprehensive, national data on the nature and scope of the rape kit backlog. Few state governments and no federal agencies track this data. Across cities and counties, there are vast differences in the way law enforcement officials track and report rape kit data, if at all, making it exceedingly difficult to compare data and to have a national picture of the backlog.
Excerpt from commentary by Mariska Hargitay, founder of endthebacklog website:
As Polly Poskin, executive director of the Illinois Coalition Against Sexual Assault, has said, "If you've got stacks of physical evidence of a crime, and you're not doing everything you can with the evidence, then you must be making a decision that this isn't a very serious crime." Beyond the obvious threat to public safety, beyond the wasted opportunities to both prosecute the guilty and exonerate the wrongly convicted, the backlog sends a devastating and inexcusable message to survivors: y byYou don't matter. What happened to you doesn't matter. -
So, here’s where I’m probably a bad feminist. When it comes to rape and rape kits specifically, it is my understanding that prescribing or at least offering emergency contraceptives is part of the exam process, so how is this forcing a woman to continue a possible pregnancy?
I do absolutely agree that there should be no backlogs. If states can find money for things like vaccine incentives or additional unemployment, they can certainly address this too. If the backlog is due to staff issues, then perhaps they need to hire more people I’d send the kits to other labs, I think we’d all rather have a backlog of 23&me kits.
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I have read that the rape victim may be informed about the emergency contraceptive pill but it is not handed out. It would be up to the victim to access it, Some hospitals with religious affiliation as well as pharmacists have been known to refuse to give the pill. I do not have any first hand or even indirect experience (like knowing someone who is went through this), this is what I’ve gleaned through articles and reports I’ve read. It’s estimated that between 17,000-32,000 people become pregnant through rape each year in the U.S. Texas. What a tragic statistic! Gov. Abbott said rape is against the law and he will eliminate it. I’m assuming he means in his own state, not quite sure how he plans to tackle such a huge issue. Or why he waited until an abortion law was passed before addressing the matter. The additional tragedy is anywhere from 70,000 to 100,000 rapes against women occur in the U.S. a year. That makes my heart ache. It’s an epidemic.
illimae, my state of Ohio has its own issues, but I still love it for many reasons, and you probably feel the same about Texas, and I just wanted you to know my comments on its governor and its laws aren’t personal towards you.
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No worries Divine, I didn’t take it personally. I would agree that if likely depends on the religious affiliation of the hospital and I too only know what I read. But, I will say that I had to use plan b once and it was as easier than getting pain killers. While we may not remember if we are “late” or not, we do usually know if we’ve had unprotected sex.
I think it would make more of an impact on pro-lifers to focus on realistic prevention since all they see or chose to see is killing babies. I don’t know the answer but I am equally frustrated that Abbott changed a law that was not a problem for most womenas far as I know.
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