Waiting for core biopsy results, being hopeful is so hard
Hi everyone,
just created an account a few days ago and lurked a bit. I am waiting for my biopsy results. According to radiologist, my oncologist and gynaecologist who took the samples, it doesn't look good, but trying to think positive until pathology results come back.
I am not a stranger to the C word, since in 2011 I was treated for Hodgkin's Lymphoma 2A with 4 cycles ABVD and involved field radiotherapy. The lump I have right now is up, middle, right, is right at the border of that field. It is a very big lump (5cm+), which came out in 1 day some months ago and didn't change size as much as I could tell by poking it, so I ignored it for a while, waited for semester to be over since I am working as a professor in a university and I am fed up with cancer delaying my life. Sorry a bit of a rant here, I was 33 when Hodgkin's was diagnosed and I got biopsied right before my wedding, got the results one day after the wedding, you can imagine how hard was it for me to dance during it with all the anxiety. Now at 43, right when my research started to take off, life seems like having other plans for me.
Back to the topic, the punch biopsy was done on Wednesday (3 days ago) and it was on the breast lump as well as 2 lymph nodes that looked suspicious under my arm. The doctor who performed it wanted to already stage me, full body CT, bone scan etc, but I told him I'd rather wait for the diagnosis. Probably just need a week off from all this during my vacation, hope I don't regret the decision. I am planning to take the samples to a second lab anyway (this is done for BC as well right?).
I am very glad I found this forum, I'd like to thank the moderators who seem to maintain a very active board here. I know such platforms are so helpful. Last time I had great support at a lymphoma forum. I'd go as far as saying, they kept me sane during and after the treatment.
Then again I am reading the signatures of everyone, they look so long, respect all of you and wonder in case of a BC diagnosis, if I can maintain a normal life for a few years at all. Also I got adriamycin for Hodgkins, I can't get it again, so are there options? Some part of my breast was radiated, means I will lose it (without option)? So many thoughts come and go as I am trying to enjoy the last days of my life without C word stuck on me again, that is until pathology speaks.
*sigh*
Sarah
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Hi Sarah - I'm so sorry you're here, but glad that you found this forum. We've all been through some variation of the situation you are facing, and know how hard it is to deal with the uncertainties. While there's always hope that the biopsy results will be benign, if they are malignant then the results (ductal vs. lobular, infiltrating vs in situ, positive or negative for the three different hormone receptors, tumor size, and so forth) will give you and your doctors the information you need to formulate an initial treatment plan. If you do have BC, the first few weeks after diagnosis are often a whirlwind of appointments and scans (MRI, sometimes PET/CT); your plan should definitely take into account your previous radiation and chemo treatments. This page (Chemotherapy for Breast Cancer | Breastcancer.org) should give you some idea of the wide variety of chemotherapy treatments used for different types and stages of BC, but in short, I believe that if chemo is necessary, you will have options. The first few months after a BC diagnosis are definitely disruptive (and scary!), but I think that for many of us life settles back into a more or less normal routine of family, work, and activities once active treatment (surgery, chemo, radiation) is finished.
Again, and while it may be a long shot, I'm hoping that you get benign results. If you have to join us here, though, please know that this is a fantastic and helpful community, and that you will get a ton of support! -
there should be plenty of options once you know more about what you’re dealing with. The initial biopsy results will likely only say whether it’s cancer or not and if it is cancer what type it is. Treatment can’t be determined until you find out whether it’s positive or negative for ER, PR, or HER2, which usually takes a few extra days. For instance, I got the confirmation that it was cancer on 16 July, but didn’t learn the rest of the information until I saw the surgeon on 21 July.
Breast cancer sucks no matter what stage or the treatment plan will be, but there are new treatment plans available every year and outcomes for most people who catch it early are quite good. Keep us updated as you learn more! This website was my lifeline when I was going through treatment last year
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Just want to welcome you Sarah! You've been through so much already - I hear your frustration and worry..... I'm unable to offer more than typhoon and Melbo already stated. Just want to welcome you and send support. please let us know once you hear more....
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Thank you for the answers typhoon, Melbo and LivingLife. Last time I learned to take it one at a time and not jump to conclusions only after seeing half of the picture so I didn't even tell the radiologist forward the report to me. I am trying to stay calm and wait until it is known what kind of a challenge I am facing.
I am a little let down by the fact that, just when I managed to get over the C word and its effects in my life, i have to deal with it all over again, and this time maybe it will be harder?
Last time I had been working in a big company and right before the diagnosis I was offered new responsibilities. After only 6 months of treatment (that is with me skipping rehab even), they kind of pushed me aside as if I could die any moment. It took me 3 years to move to university and leave that terrible job behind. Then it took another 3 years to be tenured. Now I don't even know how to tell my colleagues about skipping a semester or two, or more depending on what is served on my plate. Not to mention I almost lost all my friends because very few of them had the heart to push their own fears and accompany me on my journey. Also about a year after the treatment, I had some stress coming out of no where and it took me years to bounce back from depression.
Did you get counselling during/after treatment? I am thinking of arranging one this time around, skipped it all last time and wasn't a good idea perhaps.
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I didn’t do counseling or anxiety meds while I was being treated, but in retrospect I should have at least taken them up on the meds. A lot of the women who have had chemo worked through it — of course I’m not sure how that equation changes in the times of covid and being in a classroom. At this point you can’t make any plans. The waiting sucks so much, but its impossible to decide what you need to do until you know what you’re really facing l.
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Sarah, the practice to which both my breast surgeon and oncologist belong has a team of oncology social workers (LCSWs), and I had four sessions with one of the therapists during the three months from diagnosis through surgery and recovery. I tend to internalize stress, and was so focused on trying to be strong for my family, friends, and colleagues ("Everything's fine! Nothing to worry about!"), that I initially didn't process the diagnosis at all - instead, I somehow lost about 20 pounds and started shedding hair even before surgery. I found the therapy sessions to be very helpful and useful every step of the way - I could let go of the stress, face my fears, and restore some sense of internal equilibrium. I'm glad I had counseling, and recommend it highly.
You've been through so much already, and the possibility of facing cancer again must be kind of overwhelming. No doubt you are incredibly strong, but think of counseling as a form of self-care, of reinforcing your existing strength, and of gaining additional coping skills and techniques. -
i am waiting for my dr to call and explain my core biopsy results to me I got my report before she did I have is think of my charger so it will lease has everything but I am confused about a couple things that's on there also happens at the end of my report it says that this could be a negative report due to specimen so should I be concerned also there's a port on here that I'm trying to understand when it says ---
Final Diagnosis
A. Breast, left, with calcifications, stereotactic core biopsy:
- Columnar cell change and columnar cell hyperplasia with luminal secretions
and
several
microcalcifications
- Negative for significant epithelial atypia
- Negative for in situ or invasive malignancy within the examined sections
1
B. Breast, left, without calcifications, stereotactic core biopsy:
- Benign adipose tissue
Microscopic Description
A. Core biopsy fragments of breast tissue demonstrate a background of benign
ducts and
lobules with fibrous stromal tissue and adipose. Some ducts and lobules appear
expanded
and involved by columnar cell change including columnar cell hyperplasia. There
are
luminal secretions with microcalcifications. Definitive epithelial atypia is
not
appreciated. There is no DCIS or invasive malignancy identified. A smooth
muscle heavy
chain myosin stain confirms basal cells surrounding the dilated and involved
terminal duct
units.
This assay has not been validated on decalcified tissues. Results should be
interpreted
with caution given the possibility of false negative results on decalcified
specimens.
Can someone explain this to me should i be worried and my mom is a breast cancer survivor of 4 years now
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I'd like to update that the doctor who took the samples just called me to say that it is breast cancer, but they don't know the type yet (they are working on it). Two words I caught was invasive and non-specific but he said receptor test is ongoing. Also they don't know yet about lymph nodes (they took samples from there too).
Friday I have an appointment with BC specialist. My CT though is next week since I delayed it because I was expecting the results to come out on Wednesday earliest.
Should I push for an early CT so when I go there Friday we know more about the stage? Or just wait and see what oncologist say? The news were expected, yet I am still trying to process this, so a little clueless at this point. Any help is appreciated.
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Sarah, I'm so sorry about your diagnosis. Invasive carcinoma of no specific/special type generally means infiltrating/invasive ductal carcinoma, so at least you know that much. If your oncologist has already scheduled the CT, it probably makes sense to go ahead with the appointment. As you indicated, the more information everyone has up front, the better for you in terms of moving ahead to deal with this cancer.
This is probably going to be a very stressful week for you, with testing and so many unknowns. The appointment with the BC specialist on Friday should result in your having - at a minimum - an outline for your treatment plan, and that helps immensely in terms of reducing stress.
You are in my thoughts this week. -
Thanks for the update Sarah and sorry it is indeed cancer. You really seemed expecting that though - kind of preparing yourself as much as you can for such news. I hope your employer and coworkers will be more supportive, or at least not invalidating, than in the past... The appointment Friday should be helpful for gathering additional helpful and important information... Please let us know how that goes.
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Welcome Apy! It sounds like overall you received very good news. I'm not sure about the benign conditions - if they may want to just monitor or remove those or just let them go. Most important no invasion and no DCIS - so all looked benign from what you wrote - Great news!!
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Thank you, although the news didn't come as a surprise, the unknown "stage" get me worried. I suddenly started imagining all kinds of "can I breath properly, is my lungs ok" kind of thoughts.
It is full body CT + bone scan under the knees from what I understood?
I was wondering if I get CT on Thursday, Friday when I talk to doctor I know more and don't get freaked out during weekend or just stick out with the appointments and take it one step at a time, do CT next Monday and get the second appointment next week Wednesday. I need to process this too now, also at home we have a water leakage problem, which, if not solved, blocks the heating system, which we wanted to get it fixed this week. Everything happens at once, *sigh*.
Thank you for the support, means a lot to me.
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Hi—The CT Scan will most likely be Chest/Abdomen/Pelvis and the Bone Scan will be the whole body. Good Luck with everything and keep us posted!
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Sarah, the unknown stage is just that they need more information which the scans will tell them. A lot of people receive diagnostic staging and then final staging after surgery. Is there no breast MRI included in your plan?
Regarding the timing - I would leave it as is. This is similar to how my diagnostic process was - first discussion and what information they are gathering and potential next steps, and then second (and third) discussion as more information came in from CT and bone scans (and breast MRI and second round of biopsies because they didn't get enough with the first). Also, your CT taken Thursday may not be read before your meeting on Friday. The CT and bone scan will be used to correlate each other - sometimes things show up on one but not the other so if there is something concerning on the CT the doctor still may not share it if he is waiting for correlation from the bone scan read.
The CT scan is pretty quick and involves dye injection and a cannula. Bone scan is a longer process over two hours and involves injection of radioactive substance, you then need to wait for a few hours while it trundles around your system, and then you lay on a table like a giant photocopier and it goes head to toe. CT will show soft tissue and lymph involvement (in my case it also picked up the giant lytic hole in my pelvis that probably could have been seen from space) and the bone scan is more for metastatic hot spots in the bones.
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H Sarah, I'm sorry about your diagnosis. (BTW, congrats on the tenure - that's a big accomplishment!) With regard to the scans, this is how I find it easiest on my schedule:
I get my nuclear med injection at 8:00 AM. I ask them to leave the IV line in so that the CT techs can use it. It avoids having to be stuck twice and the CT folks are always happy about that. The CT staff will remove the IV once they inject you with the contrast.
I pop over from the clinic side of the hospital to the radiology side and arrive there around 8:15. I have to be there an hour before the CT scan so that I can drink the bottle of contrast. The scan starts around 9:15 and takes less than 15 minutes. I make sure I use the toilet because my bladder can be quite full. They don't want us to eat before the CT scan, but liquids are OK.
After that, I go back to clinic side and wait for the bone scan. That one can take longer (maybe 30+ minutes) and they always ask if I've used the bathroom. Anyway, that's how I like to schedule it.
Come back and let us know how things proceed from here.
All the best,
Carol
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Hi Sarah!
I'm sorry to hear that your biopsy resulted in a cancer diagnosis. I was a tenured professor when I was diagnosed seven years ago at age 46. My colleagues were very supportive, and allowed me to reduce some of my responsibilities while I was undergoing treatment. I did teach through chemo and radiation; it was doable. But, I essentially put my research agenda on ice for awhile. Take care! ((Hugs))
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Hi everyone,
thank you so much for the answers. I had to stay away from this site not to obsess over reading all of what can go wrong until i know more about the situation to keep anxiety at bay.
I am glad to read of fellow lecturers, it gives me hope when you say it is doable. Right now I talked to the dean and planned next semester with online lectures. During Corona times I did them all online and recorded the lectures, so I will go with recorded lectures + question sessions, which will reduce my load, phd student will take over the lab sessions which might be in presence this semester.
My IDC turned out to be progesterone and osterogen minus (0/3 both) and HER2 3/3. We don't know if it is elsewhere (lungs etc.) but one of the auxiliary lymph node had a very small segment which had these cells.
Just had an appointment with onc, he wants to go 6 cycles Taxane (every 3 weeks), 1 year Trastuzumab and Pertuzumab. After Taxane, he wants to do an operation to see the situation and maybe radiotherapy too.
I am reading I'll lose all hair with Taxane and it might never come back? That makes me nervous. I also read weekly injection is better for hair? Any experience on that front is much appreciated.
He said they will do some cooling during chemo on my hands to reduce neuropathy, anyone had this?
I'll get port placed next Thursday, CT is Wednesday. No bone scan for now, he said when hormone receptors are 0, then the probability of it being in the bones isn't there. Probably starting treatment week after the next one.
Thank you so much for all your comments and help.
Sarah
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Sarah,
A small percentage of breast cancer patients who do Taxotere lose their hair permanently so, yes it can happen. There are a few women on this message board who fall into that category. Most, however, do recover their hair afterwards.
Do you mean a weekly injection of Herceptin (trastuzumab)? Not sure what you're referring to there.
Yes, many women ice their hands and feet during Taxotere and its cousin, Taxol, to try to avoid developing neuropathy.
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I was talking about Taxol weekly vs. 3 weekly.
Like mentioned here:
https://www.breastcancer.org/research-news/20080417c
My onc told me weekly would have less side effects (wouldn't need growth factor neulasta/neupogen for blood values for example) but life is harder to manage when you have to go there weekly.
I am inclined to try it weekly, since it seems side effects are less and the study says it is more effective.
I was wondering if anyone tried it.
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Hi!
My cancer was too big for Taxol alone, but after I finished Adriamycin + Cytoxin, I did do weekly Taxol + Herceptin + Perjeta. I found it to be an easier regimen than Adriamycin + Cytoxan, though it did give me diarrhea (controlled with Imodium). I did lose my hair (you'll lose your hair with either Taxol or Taxotere), but the chances of permanent hair loss with Taxol are less than with Taxotere. Yes, you typically don't need the Neulasta shot with Taxol but it is an infused chemo not a weekly shot. Hope that helps!
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Elaine, thank you for answering. My tumor is also big but since I got A (adriamycin) as a part of ABVD during Hodgkin's, they can't give me that one again.
Anyone in the same shoes?
I am thinking to get a second opinion before I start, because my case is a little more complicated with my previous regime and radiotherapy all playing a role.
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Go for the second opinion! It will help increase your comfort in whatever direction you end up going....
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When I was diagnosed for Hodgkin's ten years ago, I was determined to research, read, ask, and receive the best therapy to get rid of it and go on my life as cancer free. Back then I went to second/third opinion and optimised my regime as well as I could. I exercised 2 hours during 4 months of chemo every single day etc.
Now 10 years later, I feel like I just bought time and this inevitable end is chasing me. I am a little down morally really, asked about counselling Friday. Hope i can pull myself together and find some strength for this one. I don't even feel like visiting another doctor poke me again for the tenth time and give me that serious face. :-( Sorry for the rant.
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I had the same type of breast cancer as you and from all I have learned it has a really good prognosis. These types of cancers tend to respond really well to chemo and of course herceptin is a miracle drug. Mine was treated with TCHP (taxotere, carboplatin, herceptin, and Perjeta) — which was very doable. During my surgery they didn’t find any residual cancer and said I had a complete response, which put my odds of recurrence in the 5% range.
I finished chemo last November, had surgery in December, and radiation in March. By April my life slowly started going back to normal and I finished my last infusion of herceptin/Perjeta in August. Now — a month later and my life is finally almost normal again. Yes I still get afraid when I feel anything weird in my boobs and I wonder about aches and twinges — but none of it is the fear I had initially.
This is all doable. The prognosis is good. It sucks so much that it can be hard to see your way through, but just focus on what’s in front of you and keep showing up to appointments.
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