STEAM ROOM FOR ANGER

The vaccines are doing pretty well against current variants. It would be great if we could end the pandemic before more spread around the world. If they do, the mRNA technology is made to be tweaked and quickly ramp up production of the updated vaccine like we've seen. Similar to how flu vaccines need to be updated but faster.

I've seen many stories of unvaccinated people surviving. Those stories don't scare me. It's the aggregated data that gave me pause. I prefer dog and music videos.

When we say hospitals are getting overrun, we don't say all of them. Mine aren't. I want to keep it that way.

Enjoy dinner!

I think that you always need more than one dose of vaccine to work (there may be exceptions) the first one forms the immune memory and the second one boosts the memory. There are some people who will need of third dose of some vaccines, because they personally didn't have a high enough response and are in a high risk situations, (health care personnel and Hep B for example) most of us never get tested about our personal vaccine response since the schedule is meant to capture most people.

I think that the difference here is that the vaccine is a small price to pay to be part of a engaged society and when there is so much evidence that the unvaccinated are forcing the rest of us to not be able to re-join society, children to be safe in school, businesses to thrive etc. It is hard to understand why someone would choose not to vaccinate for themselves or the greater good of society. It is true that many people do things for the greater good of the society because they are penalized or rewarded to do so- others have internal motivations or loved ones they place above themselves.

Knowing that severe Covid infection or death is preventable, free, and easily available with a vaccine that is so much safer than so many things people choose to do is frustrating.

Research has shown that we "normalize" some risks that are statistically quite dangerous (driving a car) and are very afraid of less common and much less risky things like flying. I don't know how much this has to do with fear of the vaccine.

"Please come back and post when the next variant happens, which there will be the next variant, that the vaccines will not cover. Then what?"

Variants don't develop in isolation. They develop on a continuum.

The more cases of the virus, the greater the likelihood that the virus will successfully mutate and new variants will develop. The only way to minimize the impact of future variants is to reduce the number of cases of the current variants. The only way to reduce the number of cases of the current variants is to have most of the population vaccinated and wearing masks.

The Delta variant took hold in the U.S. and Canada because when it landed on our shores, unvaccinated people immediately started to catch it. This is what created the environment in which the Delta variant was able to thrive. Now it is so prevalent that it is breaking through even with those who are vaccinated. This is precisely why those who are vaccinated are so frustrated with those who are not.

Okay. So is there proof that a vaccinated person didn't bring the Delta variant? Where is the proof it was unvaccinated? If you have it, I will gladly read it. The reason for the booster is because two shots are not enough to hold back the variant, so you are just as much able to catch it and give it to me.

I think for now I'm going to be done commenting. I have something very exciting I'm doing tonight, and I want to concentrate on that.

I hardly post here. But after I read this back and forth, I couldn't help but wonder how we got here.

I have to agree that this outrage over a minority group of people, who for whatever reason opted out of a preventative medical intervention, is bordering on bullying.

KBL, I'm so sorry you felt bullied. This is certainly something you shouldn't have to endure when you're fighting to stay alive!!!

What happened to our freedom to weigh all options and decide what the best intervention is for us as individuals at the moment? Especially when we're cancer patients. I've battled cancer and lost two friends to cancer both under 45 so I'm especially sensitive to its impact.

The vaccine will prevent death from COVID. But no one has clearly answered the question about its impact on cancer recurrence and morbidity over the long term. They can't. I'm not blaming them. They have to get everyone vaccinated so that we can get out of this misery. There is just so much we don't know about cancer and our immune responses. A study on the varied immune responses of COVID vaccines on cancer patients (I can't post the link because I didn't have suffient posts here, but you can find it if you search for 'covid vaccine' on cancer.gov.) has very interesting findings but it also highlights gaps in what we know!

Clearly there's a need for more research about cancer and our immune responses. It would be more productive, for example, if we collaborated to demand more research in that area.

But no one should be cohersed to make a decision one way about one's health and most importantly no one should ever be labelled a conspiracy theorist when they ask hard questions.

Regardless of your vaccination status, mask! stay away from confined spaces, if possible! And take care of yourselves and each other. Life is too short as it is 🤗🤗!

I think the root of anti-vax is anger (appropriate for this thread!). I see it similar to the anti-Pharma, anti-chemo, 'chemo is poison' angry crowd. Yes, it sucks that we got cancer and have to do all these drastic treatments of chemo, radiation, surgery, hormone-blocker, etc. It really sucks, but what is a realistic alternative? Some choose to direct their anger at Big Pharma and reject conventional treatment, but IMO, anger is not a useful response, you don't get results. You want to survive? Suck it up, you have one crappy option after another. Same with pandemic, the anger is directed at all directions. I mean, I literally put poison in my body, what is a couple of extra shots of highly tested mRNA vaccine, can't be worse than FEC-D.

And just because I accepted to get the shots doesn't make me a sheep or less apprehensive. I've had my doubts too, but I followed my logic with my cancer treatments and rolled up my sleeve. Who really likes to get chemo or blood pressure med or vaccine??

If that's the case, please explain this paragraph.

This was in the link Moth posted, specifically this sentence: An individual may be offered either COMIRNATY®(COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) or the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine to prevent coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) caused by SARS-CoV-2.

What do they mean by “either” if it’s one and the same?

The FDA-approved COMIRNATY^® (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) and the EUA-authorized Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine have the same formulation and can be used interchangeably to provide the COVID-19 vaccination series. An individual may be offered either COMIRNATY^®(COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) or the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine to prevent coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) caused by SARS-CoV-2.

ok, my eyes are terrible, so I maybe I can't see right... but it looks like the last date on the hospital data screenshot was Aug 13? Are we talking about if hospitals are overrun now???

blue, it does say August 13, so they are a little behind, but it’s a seven-day total, so it’s one week behind.

I think it says patients may be offered one or the other because it might be differently labelled. It's like gettting tylenol or acetaminophen. They're still the same thing.

They settled on the name Comirnaty a few months ago btw. That's the brand name. Tozinameran is the generic. The BNT162b2 was the lab name, with the BNT referring to BioNTech.

https://www.fiercepharma.com/marketing/pfizer-bion...

Are people somehow suggesting that what... the FDA is approving a new drug? A different drug than the one that got the EUA? Is this some new reason to dismiss the FDA approval? I don't get this at all

I don't get the concern about the name other than Moderna picked a cooler brand name 'Spikevax'.

I'm more concerned that in a large hospital system where my Florida relative lives the number of COVID patients increased from 1 in 20 to 1 in 3 in 2 1/2 months. What are non-COVID patients supposed to do?

I am going to remove that sentence, as I do not want to put out misinformation. If I’m wrong, I admit it. I’m not sure.

I do not feel that it is discrimination/bullying if I disagee with another's decision. I choose science and have had the vaccine. So if I am a sheep, so be it. I no longer wish to be told to stay home, criticized for wearing a mask, etc by the anti-vaxers so they can roam free in society, hold super spreader events and prolong the agony of this epidemic. I resent having to postpone outpatient surgery because there are no hospital beds available and the hospitals are so overrun with Covid cases that others are being denied access to necessary medical care including mammograms, breast bx, etc.

Yes, everyone has a right to their opinion, and their rationale for making that decision but they must also accept the consequences of that decision if it goes south. None of us chose to develop BC so that is a common uniting factor, some of us are angry that we are having this experience (worst experience of my life to date and won't bore you with the details), but most have opted to take some form of medication deterrent (chemo, AI's. etc) to hopefully mitigate its impact. I have empathy for everyone who posts here and wants to rant.

As far as surviving Covid, my DB (took all recommended precautions) is one who developed it before the vaccine was available, spent 2 months sleeping upright on his couch so he could breathe and now has long Covid issues. He will be on blood thinners for the rest of his life meaning he can no longer take the drugs he needed to treat his Psoriatic arthitis, has had to make adjustments in his lifestyle to prevent any injury which could lead to hemorrhaging and has some residual lung damage. So many who have survived will never have the quality of life they had pre-Covid and it may impact on their lifespan, ability to be providers, etc. It's a crapshoot as to what their outcome will be.

I would experience guilt if I were unvaccinated, developed and survived Covid but caused another person to die due to my decision. This virus will continue to persist and evolve until we achieve herd immunity. The Covid dead have not been able to express their stance on whether they would have taken the vaccine which is more the pity.

Spikevax is metal! 👍😁

I still laugh at Aciphex (say it). Thought the commercial was an SNL skit.

I’m really annoyed with the dribs and drabs of cancer effects. Seromas. Fatigue. Lymphedema. Cording. Diarrhea. Fatigue. Low wbc. Low rbc. Tests. Tests. Tests. Joint pain. Physical therapy. Chemo brain. Hearing loss?!? Tests. blood draws.

As my SO says I’ve been poisoned, stabbed, and shot with lasers. Isn’t that enough?