STEAM ROOM FOR ANGER

moth: Is your creek by any chance a salmon stream? You can put the brakes on developers with that! I get depressed when I see a row of perfectly livable homes with "Land Assembly" signs up on all the lawns. There is usually a hold-out somewhere in the middle of them. That would be me! Your place sounds beautiful and I would be there on a rocking chair with a shotgun on my lap. I wouldn't actually, because I am a non-gun person, but I would be hopping mad.

SF-Cakes: the only ones screaming at you about wearing masks are likely the same people who yelled about having to wear a mask when it was desperately needed. I do believe (or pray) that we will settle into some kind of "norm" where an individual isn't singled out and berated for wearing a mask when it is deemed okay to go without. We may start seeing folks masking up when flu season rolls around - at least on public transit and such. Maybe get a mask that says "Don't Ask" or "F**k Off" :-)

flashlight: I have no problem with a "vaccine passport' depending on how it is used. You can't go to Africa, South America without proof of Yellow Fever vaccination. If you are Muslim and want to go on the Hajj, you must present proof of a meningitis vaccine. I would be happier on a long haul flight if I knew everyone on the plane had been vaccinated. Perhaps when it is no longer such a major global pandemic, and is just endemic I might feel better.

sfcakes- that is total bullshit

elderberry - it feeds into a salmon stream & is part of a SPEA. The city & developers have already thought of it - it's all protected & planned as park/greenbelt. Where my house stands will actually not be built on. But a lot of the wilderness will be gone & turned into "usable" park - you know grass & paved bike lane & playgrounds & crap like that. Not that I mind playgrounds but I mind cutting down 100 year old trees for them. Reclaim a concrete parking lot and rewild it and make it a playground, kwim? Anyway. It's another thing that I can't control & don't even have a timeline for so it's causing me stress.

moth: that really sucks. So sad to see old trees come down and your house turned a bike lane or some other form of open space!

SFcakes: I am truly sorry for the whammies being visited upon you. Just when you realize you have been hit by an oncoming bus -- it backs over you!!!

SFcakes - the issue for me is I will have to move. otoh, they might give me bigger $ so there's that. but I don't wanna move and see this lovely little neighbourhood torn up

mets is way worse tho. if someone would take away my mets for the house I'd burn it all down myself

sfcakes so sorry you having to deal with this. Hugs to you.

"you're already are dying of cancer. If it's tomorrow or 5-10 years from now... and yes I will say YOU are dying of cancer. You think that bitch is gone??? Just lying in wait."

WTF???

If you want to believe you will die of breast cancer, go for it.

Since your post wasn't directed at any one person, I assume your comments were directed at the rest of us, everyone who's been posting here. You are saying that we are all doomed. That none of us were successfully treated, with the cancer fully eradicated. Seriously? Yeah, a lot of us will die of cancer. But the majority of people diagnosed today with breast cancer will not die of breast cancer. Fact.

No I am saying in the end we are all going to move on to somewhere else, Whether we die of breast cancer or something else we all in that line which is life. I'm sorry if if i'm not making my self clear. I am NOT saying that those with breast CA or really any type of CA should throw in the towel. I'm just angry that people are are bitching about getting a vaccine/wearing masks WHEN they already a have disease that might kill them.

Beesie, I hope u understand I was NOT saying people with BC or any other type of CA should just give up. then where would we be? It's txting.You can't get the nuance like u do when u talk to someone.

Betrayal, to the ageism which has been expressed here, I think that it's a valid topic for discussion - without judgement. I don't disagree that the preventable death of someone elderly who was otherwise enjoying life is tragic. But I don't think that every death is tragic. Sad, yes, but not tragic. My mother lives in a LTC residence, one that fortunately has not had a single case of Covid among their residents. I look at some of the people who live there, and I wonder if they are want to be alive, living the way they are living. I think about my father, who decided at age 87 that he no longer wanted to live with his progressive physical ailments. He was so happy when he made this decision; he'd had a good and interesting life but had reached the point where the physical difficulties outweighed the pleasures. He literally willed himself to death. I think about an extended family member who was a dear friend, still sharp as a tack at 96. He'd been very healthy, but then encountered a serious health problem that required surgery. It was after his recovery that he commented that he was ready to go. Was it tragic then when he died after a second emergency surgery, or was it a blessing? I think about myself, knowing that I would never want to be in my mother's shoes, aged 96 with Alzheimer's and constantly confused. And I look at some of the others who live at her residence, those who cannot communicate and who are fully dependent on others for care and feeding, and I wonder what they would tell us if they could speak.

From what I've read, Covid does not provide a peaceful passing. And with Covid, so many people have died alone, without their loved ones there to hold their hands and provide comfort. From that sense, every death from Covid is tragic. But separate from that, is the Covid death of a physically and mentally incapacitated elderly person as tragic as the Covid death of someone who is 45? I wish we hadn't had any of those deaths, but are they the same?

A very controversial perspective on this comes from Ezekiel Emanual, here: Why I Hope to Die at 75 . He sits at one end of the spectrum on this topic. I don't agree with him for a second. But I'm not all the way over on the other end of the spectrum either. I think that medical science has allowed us to extend life beyond what is desirable for many people. And in that sense, a 'preventable' death of someone who is ready to die might not be that tragic.

Edited to remove reference to KID1919's post, since she has removed her post.

Beesie, I have removed my posts. I can see where they could be taken the wrong way.

Beesie: Sorry but we can agree to disagree about the ageism. The statement that someone who lives beyond the expected age expectancy and then dies is "not a loss, not a tragedy, not a reason to close society and society has been harmed because of it" is pure ageism. Please remember some of those who died survived childhood diseases before vaccines were invented, lived through World Wars, the Depression, etc and were contributors to the lives we now live, so society did benefit from their existence even if tangentially. Their lives mattered to someone.

If someone opts to not survive beyond 75 and yet, due to luck of the draw they do, will this same person take their own life so they can fulfill their prophecy? As far as the 96 year old, I think death became acceptable because it was on their terms. To use advanced age as a criteria for one's determination that someone else has outlived their life expectancy and possibly their societal contributions, just rubs me the wrong way. Personally, I do not view the elderly as a drain on society. Just MHO and that plus $2 will buy you a cup pf Wawa coffee. The end.

A house on my block with an assessed value of $694,110 (which was bought for $400,000 and renovated about four/five years ago) just sold for $849,100, $30,000 over the asking price. Yikes!! We bought ours for less back in 1975 than the extra offered. These are brick and fieldstone row houses over 80 years old. I almost fell over when I heard what the house went for. One of the best investments my husband and I made. No way I could afford it now.

Betrayal-  I am pretty sure you are referring to me. Ageism? People under a certain age can't drive cars, vote or buy alcohol. Is that ageism? It probably is. I think you're making it sound like I  implied that it's of no consequence that many elderly died (and I think I used the term frail elderly, but I can't remember). And that is a complete misrepresentation of my intent. It IS sad when anyone dies. A loss and sadness to each family that they leave behind. The value of those people to society was not and is not part of the conversation, as far as I am concerned.  But I maintain that LIFE YEARS not just lives, must be calculated into this discussion. Because these two numbers (lives and life years) are both critical in viewing the global reaction to covid. I think it's important for people to know these things in order to judge if the actions taken were warranted, justified, wise or criminal. We need ALL the evidence (which is in short supply) and to understand ALL angles and topics that might form further such decisions. 

 Beesie, I think there is so much food for thought in that article you mentioned. Living LONG and living WELL are NOT the same thing. But that is another topic for another day. 

I see many posts have been deleted and if any of them were directed at me I am sorry but I did not see them as I have been out for most of the day and not at my computer to check in.  So I'm not ignoring anyone, but I got here after everything was gone. 

DogMomRunner my MIL is in a nursing home, flat on her back with a diaper watching Gunsmoke re-runs. Her form of dementia thankfully doesn't include screaming fear or anger but that is no way to live. That she's content doesn't make it a good life. She'll run out of money soon, and while she can stay where she is (so glad for that), she will have to have a roommate. That's going to be very hard for her, especially if her roommate is one of the people w/ the very agitated type of dementia.

I do not want to end like that.

I have dementia myself. Still home and in early stages and pray will be able to stay there until the end. Probably that will kill me though.