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  • BlueGirlRedState
    BlueGirlRedState Member Posts: 1,031
    edited May 2021

    Picking an age to die by () makes no sense considering the wide range in health/ quality of life in all age groups. And everyone has to define that for themselves. I think back to years ago when I stopped to apologize to a bicyclist I thought I had run of the road. He told me everything was fine and that he was turning. Then he asked me to guess how old he was. Turns out he was 95!! We chatted a while. When I asked him what the secret was to such a long life, he asked me to lean in really close so that noone else would hear. "Keep breathing" he whispered. I laughed, and replied, "and a sense of humor"

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2021

    wonderful interaction blue girl. And reminds me of when I was driving to my appointments pretty early on, Ariana Grande’s song used to come on the radio “Just keep breathing, breathing, breathing...”. I turned it into a mantra. And humor is definitely a plus! Love this.

  • Springdaisy
    Springdaisy Member Posts: 58
    edited May 2021

    this is going to sound terrible but that doctor and all his viewpoints shows how sanctimonious and pompous some doctors can be. Thank goodness they're not all that way.

  • Lumpie
    Lumpie Member Posts: 1,650
    edited May 2021

    Vaccine Therapy to Prevent Recurrences in HER2-Positive Breast Cancer

    Brief interview with Lee S. Schwartzberg MD, FACP about vaccine research. Spoiler alert: seems promising. Read the transcript or listen to the narrative.

    https://www.practiceupdate.com/C/117405/56?elsca1=...

    {No charge to red/listen but registration may be required.}

  • Lumpie
    Lumpie Member Posts: 1,650
    edited May 2021

    Regarding drug approval: part of the consideration is whether the now drug is less expensive than currently available options. This seems questionable to me. We still don't fully understand why some drugs work in one patient but not in another. Patients have allergic reactions to some drugs but not others. It seems to me that having more in one's proverbial arsenal is an advantage in an of itself.

    As regards an age to die: kind of silly. People's outlooks change. Think of how many people early in life practically say "broken bone? Euthanize me!" but in later life say "not so fast!." One's outlook changes with one's circumstances.

  • Lumpie
    Lumpie Member Posts: 1,650
    edited May 2021

    In breast, prostate cancer survivors, hormonal therapies may raise CV risk

    Hormonal therapies for the treatment of breast and prostate cancers may improve survival among patients with cancer, but also may confer poor CV {cardiovascular} outcomes among survivors.

    3 minute read with links.

    https://www.healio.com/news/cardiology/20210428/qa...

    {Access to article is free but may require registration.}

  • morrigan_2575
    morrigan_2575 Member Posts: 824
    edited May 2021

    i refuse to register/create accounts just to read an article (pet peeve). Can someone that is already registered tell me what vaccine they're talking about for HER2+? Is it the one presented at SABCS 2020 or something else? I'm in a Moffit run Vaccine Trial, getting the DC-1 vaccine.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2021

    this is almost the whole transcript. I hope this would lead to something that helps those of us who are already MBC as well

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  • morrigan_2575
    morrigan_2575 Member Posts: 824
    edited May 2021
  • moth
    moth Member Posts: 4,800
    edited May 2021

    cancer immunotherapy & increased risk of venous embolism (blood clots)

    https://www.cell.com/med/pdf/S2666-6340(21)00063-5.pdf

    Roopkumar et al., Med 2, 423–434 April 9, 2021 ª 2021 Elsevier Inc. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.medj.2021.02.002

    Cancer itself raises riks of blood clots. Now it seems immunotherapy treatment adds additional risk. This study found 24% of pts on immunotherapy developed embolism.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2021

    SBRT Safe for Cancer Patients With Multiple Metastases

    Given the critical need, NRG Oncology NRG-BR001 trial sought to determine the safety of delivering curative-intent SBRT to patients with 3 to 4 metastases or 2 metastases within close proximity to each other.

    https://www.medpagetoday.com/radiology/therapeutic...

    Love the phrase curative-intent!!

    Dee

  • Karenfizedbo15
    Karenfizedbo15 Member Posts: 717
    edited May 2021

    woooh nice one Dee!

  • Lumpie
    Lumpie Member Posts: 1,650
    edited May 2021

    Cryoablation Promising for Early Breast Cancer

    Almost all patients and physicians report satisfaction from cosmetic results; overall recurrence rate 2.06 percent

    Cryoablation seems promising for early breast cancer and has minimal risks, according to a study presented at the annual meeting of the American Society of Breast Surgeons, held virtually from April 29 to May 2.

    Richard E. Fine, M.D., from the West Cancer Center & Research Institute in Germantown, Tennessee, and colleagues examined the safety and efficacy of cryoablation for women aged 60 years and older with unifocal, ultrasound-visible invasive ductal carcinoma ≤1.5 cm in size; tumors were hormone receptor-positive, human epidermal growth factor receptor 2-negative. One hundred ninety-four patients (mean age, 75 years; mean tumor size, 7.4 mm) met the eligibility criteria and received successful cryoablation treatment per protocol, receiving a freeze-thaw-freeze cycle for 20 to 40 minutes. Patients were followed up at six months and then annually to five years.

    The researchers observed no significant device-related adverse events or complications reported among the protocol-treated patients. Most adverse events were minor. Fifteen patients underwent sentinel lymph node biopsies; one had breast cancer-related positive sentinel lymph nodes, with no recurrence at 60 months of follow-up. Overall, 27, one, and 148 patients underwent adjuvant radiation, received chemotherapy, and began endocrine therapy, respectively. During the follow-up visits, more than 95 percent of patients and 98 percent of physicians reported satisfaction from the cosmetic results. Only four of the protocol-treated patients had recurred at a mean of 34.83 months of follow-up (2.06 percent overall recurrence rate).

    "Cryoablation potentially represents a dramatic improvement in care for appropriate low-risk patients, and at three years' posttreatment, the ICE3 trial results are extremely positive," Fine said in a statement.

    https://www.practiceupdate.com/C/117648/56?elsca1=...

    https://www.breastsurgeons.org/meeting/2021/docs/p...

    {Report based on presentation at the annual meeting of the American College of Breast Surgeons. Reporting and access to press release are free. While this approach was targeted to a specific subset of patients, further de-escalation of treatment and fewer side effects sure would be a plus for those able to benefit.}

  • moth
    moth Member Posts: 4,800
    edited May 2021

    This is the second recent study to come out showing BETTER breast cancer survival from lumpectomy + rads than from mastectomy

    "The cohort included all women diagnosed as having primary invasive T1-2 N0-2 breast cancer and undergoing breast surgery in Sweden from 2008 to 2017"

    almost 50,000 Swedish pts

    "Breast conservation seems to offer a survival benefit independent of measured confounders and should be given priority if both breast conservation and mastectomy are valid options."

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamasurgery/fulla...


    My editorial comment: We urgently need to add this evidence into discussions of pt decision making about surgery. My perception is still that too many pts make a non evidence based decision, and that a system which financially rewards surgeon + cosmetic surgeons teams for more aggressive surgery might be contributing to poorer outcomes for women.

  • santabarbarian
    santabarbarian Member Posts: 3,085
    edited May 2021

    moth you are right. So many women are afraid to keep their breast; a knee jerk fear.

  • Lumpie
    Lumpie Member Posts: 1,650
    edited May 2021

    I, too, have talked with SO many friends, colleagues... even medical professionals.... who automatically assume that a mastectomy is more effective. I hope that better information gets to the people who need it. Part of the problem is that people are often obliged to make a decision quickly and with inadequate information. It can also be difficult to get insurance coverage to correct post-partial cosmetic issues. I wonder if this may impact some patient decisions.

  • buttonsmachine
    buttonsmachine Member Posts: 930
    edited May 2021

    I completely agree that this information needs to be made known to newly diagnosed patients.

    Will BCO be making content on this? I hope so.

    Unfortunately the mastectomy vs lumpectomy w/radiation decision is often made when people are in the shock and awe phase, and under pressure to act quickly. To make matters worse, I think our culture of celebrity plastic surgery leads a few women to believe that they will get Hollywood results from their reconstruction, which is just not usually the case when it comes to breast cancer.

    My personal opinion (having done both surgeries, and lived with the consequences) is that unless it is medically necessary for some reason, a mastectomy should not generally be offered when a lumpectomy with radiation is a viable alternative. Just my opinion! I know others will disagree, and that's okay.

  • LaughingGull
    LaughingGull Member Posts: 560
    edited May 2021

    I posted about this in another thread but will repeat here, since here is where this discussion is getting more traction. I don't think we know enough of why patients choose one option or the other to conclude that there is this widespread, uninformed, knee-jerk decision process. It is not unreasonable to want a breast (or both) removed after a breast cancer diagnosis. That was my case, I had very dense breast tissue that rendered any screening, including 3D mammograms and MRIs, completely useless. Also, we don't know the reasons for the better outcomes in that study, and it could be that radiation is behind the better outcomes, and which surgery one chooses, lumpectomy or mastectomy, is irrelevant, and that what should be reviewed is when to offer radiation. I am very happy I had a mastectomy. Down the road I chose to have a prophylactic one on the non cancer side. For one thing, I went through 20+ years of useless cancer screening, and I am happy I will never get another mammogram. We shouldn't jump to conclusions so quickly.

  • buttonsmachine
    buttonsmachine Member Posts: 930
    edited May 2021

    LaughingGull, I do think that situations like yours where screenings risk being ineffective or too burdensome can be good reasons to opt for a mastectomy. It's certainly not a one size fits all matter.

    As an aside, I think you raise an interesting point that if the radiation is in fact responsible for the better overall survival, maybe radiation should be offered after some mastectomies, where it currently is not, as you say.

  • moth
    moth Member Posts: 4,800
    edited May 2021

    Just to be clear that study compared 3 groups.

    Lumpectomy + rads had better outcomes than mx + rads. Mx - rads was worst.

    Certainly there are many other reasons why someone might want a mx.

  • LaughingGull
    LaughingGull Member Posts: 560
    edited May 2021

    The truth is, we don't know the cause for the better outcomes, right? Not clear from the study.

    I was offered radiation after the mastectomy. There is some criteria for radiation post-mastectomy (which I dont remember precisely but related to how widespread the cancer was) and I qualified. Insurance didn't complain.

  • LillyIsHere
    LillyIsHere Member Posts: 830
    edited May 2021

    The outcomes are regarding deaths from recurrence and it doesn't include deaths from heart damage from radiation. I belong to the group of women who asked to have BMX for several reasons that are unique for me (us): difficult to read mammograms of very dense breast, to avoid radiation on the left side next to the heart to avoid future heart disease, to reduce anxiety for future 6 months scans, to reduce local recurrence in the other breast, etc. So, there is no size fits all.



  • moth
    moth Member Posts: 4,800
    edited May 2021

    clarifying further, this study looked at both breast cancer specific mortality & overall mortality so damage from radiation would also have been captured

  • Lumpie
    Lumpie Member Posts: 1,650
    edited May 2021

    I thought I would post this caveat re post-op mammograms:

    "Mammograms will be recommended if you had a special type of mastectomy called nipple-sparing mastectomy, also known as subcutaneous mastectomy. In this surgery, you keep your nipple and the tissue just under the skin. Enough breast tissue remains to warrant the continued use of screening mammograms.

    "Breast MRI is another and possibly more effective way to screen women who have had breast reconstruction and are at high risk for recurrence."

    Obviously, your care team should be providing guidance on on-going screening, but recommendations change so it is good to go in "forearmed" with up to date research and recommendations, especially if you are high risk or have had a more complex case or surgery and have been transitioned back to your PCP for post-early stage care.

    Source: https://www.breastcancer.org/symptoms/testing/type...

    PS: I knew I had read about post-mastectomy mammograms so I went searching for when those were recommended. It must be the particular subset noted above. Surgical options change... recommendations change.... take care & stay healthy out there!

  • Aram
    Aram Member Posts: 417
    edited May 2021

    Survival is not the only criteria when choosing MX vs lumpectomy. I have extremely dense breasts. I have been going through regular (every 6 months) ultrasounds for the last couple of years and at the end I found the tumor myself. I don't want to have to go through this ever again and so MX is the best choice in my case. I don't believe choosing either approach should be restricted.

  • LaughingGull
    LaughingGull Member Posts: 560
    edited May 2021

    Went back to the study and indeed, it says that lumpectomy + rads had better outcomes than mx + rads. My bad. However, it also says: "It remains unclear whether this is an independent effect or a consequence of selection bias"

  • LillyIsHere
    LillyIsHere Member Posts: 830
    edited May 2021

    Thank you Lumpie. I had a nipple-sparing mastectomy and my doctors told me I no longer need mammograms. I should ask on the next appointment. I wonder what other women like me are recommended.

  • Rah2464
    Rah2464 Member Posts: 1,647
    edited May 2021

    Lilly I also had a nipple sparing mastectomy, and no one has mentioned getting a mammogram at all. I have had one MRI however but that was related to determining an issue with a neuroma. I, too, had extremely dense tissue, cancer on left side close to chest wall. I really didn't want the radiation, although I knew it was still on the table depending on margins. I would love to be able to see more of the data from this study. As a previous poster stated it may be the radiation itself is the key driver. Thanks, Moth, for sharing this.

  • PAKNC
    PAKNC Member Posts: 72
    edited May 2021

    I apologize that I'm out of sequence, but I'm chiming in on the heart disease / negative impacts from Tamoxifen in this article. It states - "Anti-estrogen therapy with tamoxifen also increases the risk for metabolic syndrome." I am living proof of that. I didn't even know what this was until I got it from Tamoxifen. My HbA1C went from 5.0 to 5.7 within 3 months on the drug. Unfortunately, I stayed on Tamoxifen for 3 months more because I didn't grasp what was happening to my liver and my PCP just breezed over it. Now, I have to severely restrict my carbs in the hope that I can circumvent diabetes, tiny amounts set off a blood sugar spike. I wish I had never taken the drug because it did nothing for my DCIS and may have permanently damaged my liver. Just a warning to all women that there are always those who fall into the "unintended side effects" camp.

    May 2, 2021 11:27AM - edited May 2, 2021 11:28AM by Lumpie

    In breast, prostate cancer survivors, hormonal therapies may raise CV risk

    Hormonal therapies for the treatment of breast and prostate cancers may improve survival among patients with cancer, but also may confer poor CV {cardiovascular} outcomes among survivors.

    3 minute read with links.

    https://www.healio.com/news/cardiology/20210428/qa...

  • BSandra
    BSandra Member Posts: 836
    edited May 2021

    Dear all, I am sure you all know it but ESMO2021 is so much about this drug, another big TROP2 gamechanger for mTNBC (and not only!): Dato-DXd, build on same platform as Enhertu (T-DXd) by Daiichi Sankiyo! Saulius

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