Pre-surgery hormone therapy

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My oncologist has me doing six months of letrozole before a mastectomy and probably radiation. (I already know from the MRI and biopsy thatI have several positive nodes.) I know that taking that little pill is supposed to “starve” the cancer, but somehow I feel like I should be doing more. At first I wanted to do the surgery right away, just to get it over with!

In some weird way, I feel like I should be suffering more. All I have is hot flashes! I do think this is influenced by my memory of Mom’s chemo treatment 25-30 years ago.

Has anyone else played this waiting-for-physical-action game?

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  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited September 2020

    What's your MO's reasoning for this?

    Neoadjuvant (pre-surgery) chemo is often done for those with large tumors, or who are HER2+ or TN or sometimes, node positive. But letrozole before surgery? That's more unusual, although I believe some studies have suggested it shows promise as a treatment regimen instead of neoadjuvant chemo. Is your tumor large?

    Why didn't you have surgery right away? I know there have been some delays because of Covid but you were diagnosed in July, and I thought most delays were done by then.



  • LillyIsHere
    LillyIsHere Member Posts: 830
    edited September 2020

    Beesie, the breast center i go to has been doing the same, starting patients who qualify on anti-hormone therapy during Convid19 months to postpone the surgery for later on.

    I am very curious to know if letrozole has shrinked your tumor TXlorelei. I hope so, that means that letrozole is working for you.

  • TXLorelei
    TXLorelei Member Posts: 85
    edited September 2020

    The MRI showed one large and one small tumor totaling about 5 cm together

    According to the MO, this recommendation was discussed with the care center's Tumor Board. She told me that doing this would hopefully eliminate the need for chemo. I expect that I'll have another biopsy in a month or so to see how it's working.

  • LillyIsHere
    LillyIsHere Member Posts: 830
    edited September 2020

    TXLorelei, how does MO know if letrozole is working? When are they going to have another MRI to check if the size of the tumor is shrinking? I don't want to scare you but I did have ILC. Before surgery, MRI didn't catch 2 positive lymph nodes and the LCIS in the other breast that were confirmed from biopsy after the DMX. ILC is not easy to be seeing with scans.

  • Cowgirl13
    Cowgirl13 Member Posts: 1,936
    edited September 2020

    TX, I would definitely get a second opinion as soon as you can. Even if he discussed this at a tumor board meeting. When I was looking for a second opinion I was told that it is good to go outside because often the people who comprise the tumor board can tend to have the same outlook. Good luck.

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited September 2020

    Lorelei - If you don't mind my asking, you're in Houston so where are you going?

    You have a plethora of medical institutions to choose for a 2nd opinion. Even if you're committed to staying in your area, it might be worth going to the med center &/or one of the research/teaching hospitals for a 2nd opinion. I didn't want to be a number in line at MD Anderson, but you certainly can get a 2nd opinion there. Or Methodist, or Baylor, or St. Luke's or Memorial. I was sure glad I got a 2nd opinion at the Med Center.

  • OCDAmy
    OCDAmy Member Posts: 873
    edited September 2020

    I had a large tumor and my MO tried to shrink it prior to surgery with AI. It reduced the size but not by much so I still ended up with MX andchemo after surgery but I have read some research that it can be quite effective in shrinking tumors.

  • TXLorelei
    TXLorelei Member Posts: 85
    edited September 2020

    My next MO appointment is in a couple weeks so I’ll find out then how they’ll check my progress.
    @MinusTwo - I'm already going to Baylor in the Med Center since I live inside the Loop. I feel like I'm in good hands.

    I do know that my sister who is a pharmacist was completely unsurprised when I told her about the treatment plan. (She does drug education at a hospital in a different state.)

    I’m just incredibly impatient. I had everything planned in my mind and I guess I still haven’t mentally reset all my expectations.

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited September 2020

    Lorelei - Yup - you're in good hands at Baylor. Still, be sure you "click" with the docs you get. It's a long haul and you want someone you feel comfortable with who gives you all the time & information you deserve. If personalities don't match with one of the docs, don't be afraid to go for a 2nd opinion.

  • hopewhispers2021
    hopewhispers2021 Member Posts: 1
    edited January 2021

    I am in the same boat. Anastrozole started on 09/03/20 after learning my Oncotype DX recurrence number is 6, so no chemo for me... and the tumor has shrunk. Verified by ultrasound in November. I am scheduled for a MRI on 02/02 then we will discuss surgical options..

  • TXLorelei
    TXLorelei Member Posts: 85
    edited January 2021

    I got a new MRI last week that showed the “mass and non mass” area had shrunk a noticeable amount. I got the go ahead to schedule a consultation with the surgeon next week. Hopefully I can soon move on to MX and then radiation.

  • LillyIsHere
    LillyIsHere Member Posts: 830
    edited January 2021

    TXLorelei, this is wonderful news. Good luck and let us know how it goes with BS.

  • ctmbsikia
    ctmbsikia Member Posts: 1,095
    edited January 2021

    Good news. Saw the topic header and read since I have not heard of doing hormone therapy pre surgery. And with nodes involved. Wonder if it's just for lobular cases, all cases, what the actual criteria is? There's probably a study around somewhere.

    Good luck going forward and thanks for sharing.

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited January 2021

    Great news Lorelei. Thanks for sharing, Will you do the surgery with Baylor too?

  • TXLorelei
    TXLorelei Member Posts: 85
    edited January 2021

    Baylor is in partnership with St. Luke’s so I think that’s where they’ll send me.

    My MRI was actually delayed 3 weeks because of the contract dispute between St. Luke’s and my insurance company. At least now they’re back in-network for me.

    Thanks everyone

  • YesIamaDragon
    YesIamaDragon Member Posts: 363
    edited January 2021

    I am late to this discussion, but my breast surgeon told me that the hormone blocking treatment for early stagers pre-surgery was standard in a lot of other countries. I was HER2+ so straight to chemo for me, but I have wondered if more of us triple-positives would have PCR if we got the hormone blockers up front. I didn't start mine till I was done with radiation!

  • KMom57
    KMom57 Member Posts: 252
    edited January 2021

    Late to the discussion too, but neoadjuvant endocrine therapy was also recommended to me instead of chemo.Two surgeons and one MO concurred. Another thought my nodal involvement was too much. It's been awhile and lots of other decisions since then, so I don't recall all the details, but my research and questions at the time also indicated it was becoming standard treatment for highly ER+ BC in Europe, less so here in the U.S., but that treatment was moving that direction in the US too. One surgeon at an NCI cancer center told me she'd had a couple of patients who got PCR, and others who were able to have BCS instead of mastectomy. Her hope was it would save the nodes in mine. It did not, unfortunately. The MO reasoning for doing it was to make sure my cancer was responsive to letrozole as you lose that opportunity if you have already done surgery.I did have clinical improvement, but not much apparent pathological response. Incidentally, The way they tell if the cancer is responsive is they rebiopsy the Tumor after one month and look to see if the ki-67 drops below 10. Mine dropped to below 1. But I still didn't get PCR or any nodal clearance. I have no idea why. They also reimage after a certain period of time to make sure it is not growing. The science as explained to me made senseto me at the time. I still don't know whether I made the right choice as I still had a lot of cancer in final path.
    EDITED to add: Another NCI center recommended neoadjuvant chemo. I ended up doing letrozole before before surgery and chemo after. Had we known how many nodes I had positive (we thought there were onlythree), maybe it would not have been recommended. May never know if it was the right choice.


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