Could my lymphedema be causing inflammation in my lower back?

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cowgal
cowgal Member Posts: 833
edited May 2021 in Lymphedema

I am wondering if lymphedema that has spread into your back could result in inflammation around your spine and cause nerves to be compressed, including the sciatic nerve? Has anyone dealt with this?

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  • flashlight
    flashlight Member Posts: 698
    edited October 2020

    Hi cowgal, I don't have issues with my lower back from lymphedema, but I do have swelling in the left shoulder, left chest, and up the side of my neck to my ear. I just saw my PCP and I'm going to try prednisone to get the swelling down. I have gone to therapy and the massage does help, but the side of my neck/jaw is a new issue. Good luck to you.

  • runor
    runor Member Posts: 1,798
    edited January 2021

    Ah, the migrating swelling. Yes. It happens. For having only had one, lousy node removed (that's all the surgeon could find despite deeper cutting and deeper digging, her words for what happened) I have had what I consider widespread lymphedema. My boob, armpit, shoulder blade, side, ribs below bad boob, sometimes up into my neck and left side of face are commonly puffier than the right. When I take my bra off at night it's like pulling dental floss out a block of cheese, that bra is DUG IN! I can always tell how bad things are by how easily, or not, my wedding ring slides on and off.  

    One night I was laying in bed, feeling my gut flab, which flops on the bed beside me like a deflated floaty device when I thought, hmm, I swear there is a bigger handful of flab on the left side than the right. No. That's crazy. Who gets fatter on one side? That doesn't happen! Does it? I don't know if it does or not but I am definitely thicker on the waist on the left (bad) side than on the right. This is detectable with the flab pinch test and the 'grab a handful of that stuff' test.  

    My LE ebbs and flows. But I can FEEL it in my face and neck, as well as see it. Bulldog jowl meets penguin neck. I'm so sexy. I do some facial massage that's supposed to get the lymph flowing. I don't know if it helps. I've gone at my face and jaw with one of those massive old vibrators. All it does is make my nose run violently and jangles my eyeballs around very badly so I can't see very well. I do not think this device is refined enough for delicate facial use. I do some floor stretches on my back, the most effective exercise for me. As well in the spring strenuous outdoor work (raking, hauling, picking up, burning, splitting wood, turning soil by hand, etc) seems to get things flowing and i feel my best when more physically active. But in the winter when I am sloth-like, the LE gets bad and yes, all the way down my side to my abdomen, I am puffier. After my surgery (where shit went wrong) I was black and blue and green all the way down my ribs right to my pubic bone. I looked like I'd been hit by a truck. I often wonder if that didn't set the tone for future LE. 

    Cowgal I don't know if LE can cause sciatic pain. But it sure can be its own misery. 

    Is that you in your avatar pic hugging a cow? Is it a charlais?


  • VL22
    VL22 Member Posts: 851
    edited January 2021

    You are funny! But also full of great information. I only had two nodes removed, but have had issues ever since. Of course my doctors tell me it’s not possible, but why else do I get swelling on my right armpit, or right side of my back, or right arm?

    I’m sorry you have these issues, but it makes me realize I’m not alone. I wish doctors would understand that when they act like I’m imagining things it really stresses me out

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited January 2021

    As posted in many other threads, the average education that a doctor receives in medical school about lymphadema is 15 minutes - out of 7+ years. Most don't understand or accept LE. I have breast & truncal LE that was finally diagnosed by my RO. My BS, PS and MO all said... pooh pooh... I would make an appointment to meet with a trained LEPT.

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  • cowgal
    cowgal Member Posts: 833
    edited January 2021

    Thanks everyone for your responses. I am still struggling with back issues but it has either gotten a little better or I am just better able to manage some of it to function.

    Runor - yes that is a charlois. My husband and I farm and ranch.

  • PoseyGirl
    PoseyGirl Member Posts: 359
    edited January 2021

    Hi ladies,

    I appreciate this thread, as I have been wondering lately if lymphedema must have arm swelling involved to be considered so? Ever since my mastectomy, I will get puffy on the side of my chest under my arm and it will last maybe a few days and then go down. My arm hasn't been an issue at all thus far. This week I'm puffy under my arm on the side of my chest again, but it's been more persistent. I'm definitely aware of it when I'm wearing my sweater, my coat etc. I have a slight build, and can see some puffiness. but what got me feeling nervous this week is that I feel some tightness in where my boob used to be and I've never felt that before...only puffiness in the side under the arm.

    Have any of you had that tightness feeling in the chest where your breast was? Could lymphdema affect me there?

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited January 2021

    Posey - I have no arm involvement. Only breast & truncal (still called that although I don't have breasts). And yes, LE could be there, and could as well cause tightness. I see you had ALND, so that's definitely an indicator. That's exactly where my LE likes to hang out. And rads - since we know that is the gift that keeps on giving. My rads were 2014. I still have to stretch every single day.

  • bcincolorado
    bcincolorado Member Posts: 5,758
    edited January 2021

    vl2 I had 2 nodes out as well and have issues as well. I did go to a specialist who works with breast cancer patients and taught me about massaging the arm to get the fluid back. I Often do that when I am in bed lying down and raise my arms arms and just push on it all the way down the arm and it is almost like honestly you can feel the fluid moving back into my body. Strange but true.

  • PoseyGirl
    PoseyGirl Member Posts: 359
    edited January 2021

    Thanks, MinusTwo! I’m trying to do simple lymphatic massage movements and I do stretching. It’s not painful or anything...just an awareness of the puffiness and tightness. Do you do massage?

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited January 2021

    posey - hi! You might try a compression shirt to see if that helps - my LE is arm only for the most part, but I do have non-cancer breast side puffiness as well. Under Armour has some t-shirt type compression shirts and since it is winter something like this might work as a short term experiment.

    https://www.underarmour.com/en-us/p/tops/womens-ua-tactical-heatgear-compression-t/1235253.html?start=0

  • runor
    runor Member Posts: 1,798
    edited January 2021

    Poseygirl, for a long time after my lumpectomy the swelling in armpit,  ribs and  side made it feel like I was carrying a rolled up beach towel under my arm. (There is a very busy lymphedema thread here on BCO that might be worth checking out. )  I did a lot of the prescribed exercises without much luck. Getting in to see a physical therapist ...ha ha ha, here in rural Canada it's a case of hurry up and wait and wait and wait some more. Totally by accident I was laying on the floor, rolling around on my back, trying to stretch out my lower back cause I was having some back pain when I did a stretch that I have done many times. But I had not done it since my surgery. So I get in position and bring my knees up, arms out at the sides, flat on the floor, and I let me knees/legs drop over to one side to twist and stretch out my lower back when a lighting bolt of agony ripped through my armpit/chest and I screamed! It felt like a bear had sunk its claws into my chest and torn apart muscle and sinew and cartilage. Oh my god it hurt so bad it brought tears to my eyes!  Within a week that feeling of towel-under-arm was gone. It has not come back. I do get migrating swelling but when things get bad I get down on the floor and I do that stretch and it hurts like an SOB but it's like it breaks all that stuff loose, all that stuff that is grabbing and scarring and blocking and the flow is improved. No exercises that I did standing up, none of them, have benefited me like that flat on back, arms out at right angles, knees bent (feet on floor) then flop the knees over to one side. That was for me the killer crunch that set things free. (sorry to everyone who has read this story 100 times already). It made no sense why no one had told me to get down on the floor and twist my chest and arm by flopping my legs in the opposite direction, to rip and tear those damaged tissues free. It was an accident. And it saved me from a lot of misery.

    Cowgal, I thought that might be a young Chianina but it's hard to tell from such a small photo. I grew up on a ranch until I was about 11. 

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited January 2021

    Runor - I hadn't heard the story before and am grateful to hear your results. I'm going to try it on days when I feel tight & swollen.

  • Clynnejohn505
    Clynnejohn505 Member Posts: 22
    edited May 2021

    I know I'm late to this thread but thank god for finding it! Mine goes down my right side into my shoulder at times. I can feel the lymph moving at times. Exercise helps and my lovely strait jacket looking bra. I wear it at night when I feel it flaring up. Has anyone noticed an increase in their lymphedema when the weather and/or barometric pressure chagnes?

  • flashlight
    flashlight Member Posts: 698
    edited May 2021

    Clynnejohn505, My truncal lymphedema seems to get bad when it is hot and humid. Therapy was able to help me with the swelling when it went up the side of my neck and across my shoulder. When it is hot its hard to wear the compression bras!

  • Rah2464
    Rah2464 Member Posts: 1,647
    edited May 2021

    Clynnejohn505 I still haven't figured out the myriad of ways my lymphedema flares up. I do suspect weather changes participate though. I guess I am going to have to start keeping a journal. I just recently started using a rowing machine. My LE therapist said next to swimming the best exercise to move lymph because your whole body is active and she is right. It is definitely helping me.

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