Puckered Skin
I am overdue for my mammogram (partially due to Covid-19 and partially due to caring for my beloved father in another state, who just died of cancer), and was not happy yesterday to discover an area of puckered looking skin on the upper left quadrant (toward the armpit) of my left breast. This breast is slightly larger than the other, and it (smaller breast) shows no signs of similar puckering. I had shingles last fall and stopped wearing a bra, and I am wondering if maybe this is just a stretched ligament area and resulting cellulite type puckering? If I saw this on the back of my thigh, I wouldn't be worried at all! My breasts are not that large, C cup, but still, I've been without a bra part of the time for over a year and full time since March (thank you, pandemic).
The pucker is most obvious when I am bent over. I noticed it when I was brushing my teeth. It is a good sized dent in my breast, running up and down floor to ceiling as I bend over to the sink, about an inch or perhaps inch and a half long and perhaps half an inch wide. There is a smaller one like it closer to my armpit. The larger one is visible as a small rounded mark when I am standing with arms at my side.
I am going to get my exam and mammogram as soon as possible, but my father's funeral is tomorrow, and I need to travel back to my home, since insurance won't cover here. I need to be back in Seattle where they have my previous mammograms from a past cancer scare that was determined to be calcium deposits. My little town doesn't have what I need. Ugh.
Worried. Thank you for letting me vent.
History: 56 years old (57 next week). Father's sister had breast cancer at age 40; mastectomy. Lived to almost 90. My BRCA is negative. Father's cancer was prostate, bladder, liver.
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I'm sorry for the loss of your father, and that you have this extra worry on top of it. There have been several women who have posted with dents in their breasts that turned out to be benign conditions, but it's still necessary to get checked out, of course.
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Thank you so much, AliceBastable, that is comforting to know! I will still get checked as soon as possible, but it does ratchet my worry down a little to read this news.
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Alice is right; there are some benign conditions that might produce a dent. Yes, get it checked out when you can but try not to stress to much about it. You've already had a tough year -- I'm sorry that your father passed away. Cancer sucks. ((Hugs))
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Thank you so much, ElaineTherese. Whatever it is will not change by my worrying about it, so I am trying not to do that. One step at a time, as much as possible.
While my sister was here preparing for our father's funeral tomorrow, I had her take a look. We had better lighting, and there are definite differences between the two breasts.
The right side is almost completely smooth, with just one small place where there is a stretch mark that makes a small pucker. If I move just right, a slight rippling of the surface happens on that side.
The left side, however, has several puckered/indented places and looks a bit distorted in shape on the half of the breast toward the armpit. In at least some places, the puckers/indentations correspond to stretch marks, but are larger than the marks themselves, and are in both upper and lower quadrant of the side toward the armpit. The rippling surface effect is much more marked, with deeper and larger depressions.
The left also has one spot forward of the indentations, closer to the nipple, that almost appears slightly swollen. It is roughly circular in shape and about as big around as a (flat) golf ball. I had not noticed it, but my sister did. She took some photos, and sure enough, I can see it clearly, too. When I look down at the contour of my breast, I did notice that my breast had a slightly different shape from normal; it is slightly fuller to the left (toward the armpit) of the nipple than it normally is, almost swollen looking at that one point. It does not hurt.
Without discussing the puckering, I asked my partner to feel for lumps, as I generally "read" my breasts as lumpy all over. My partner said "you have a 'muscle' on the left that you don't have on the right" and positioned my fingers to the left (toward armpit) and slightly below the nipple. There I could feel something that felt somewhat firm but also a bit soft, rather like a piece of ripe fruit, and somewhat flat.
One more piece of history to add: About five or six weeks ago, my dear father took a fall at home. I was racing to help him, and tripped over a cord, falling hard, full out, and striking some plastic totes with my body on my way to the floor. My left breast was bruised on the upper inside quadrant, and the entire breast was a bit sore for a while. Could this have anything to do with this, at this late date?
I have written to my primary provider tonight in case any referrals are needed. She is always very supportive.
I am being detailed in case my experience later benefits anyone else who may have a similar experience. I will come back with updates after I am checked.
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CherylCC - First, condolences on the loss of your father!! You are under a lot right now! I'm glad you posted here and already have some great feedback. I'm glad your sister has been such a great support too and you to her in the loss of your father I'm sure. I'm soooo glad you wrote your primary care! I was going to recommend you doing that even before you returned home if you could manage to do so. I realize the stress and all that entails with close losses! I hope you are able to get some kind of evaluation scheduled for soon after you arrive home. I cannot speak for your area though I've had so many medical appointments - most in-person - since COVID. They have done a great job 98.8% of the time - these have included many local appointments in central PA, though also Pittsburgh and Cleveland so I hope that's true where you are too....
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LivinLife, thank you so much. Burying my father yesterday was so difficult. We are a very close knit family. He fought so hard against cancer. His aggressive prostate cancer was treated and he had no sign of recurrence, but sadly one effect of that particular treatment is a higher risk of bladder cancer, and that is what happened.
I haven't heard back from my primary care provider yet, so am going to call her office today. The messaging system is really just intended for non-urgent matters, so I'm not surprised, but since it was after hours it was all I had available over the weekend. Yesterday, my brain was in funeral mode all day and I didn't even think of this at all.
My sincere thanks to everyone who has been supportive and replied. It does a great deal to help me to keep my worries under control.
--Cheryl
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Please keep us posted, ok?
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Thank you, LivinLife, I will. My primary provider has been in touch and I have an appointment with her next Tuesday afternoon. She will likely fax orders that same day, and the good folk at the Seattle Cancer Care Alliance stand ready to book me immediately for an appointment there that same week, so I should have some information soon.
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I saw my primary care provider this afternoon. She thinks the puckered and indented skin is likely related to stretch marks. (Whew!)
However, she did feel the lump. It is located on the underside of my left breast, in the 7 o'clock position if a clock face were on the breast as you look at it, putting it in the lower inner quadrant. Nothing like it on the right side.
She has faxed orders for a bilateral diagnostic mammogram and an ultrasound to the Seattle Cancer Care Alliance. I will schedule the appointment when I phone them tomorrow.
I am remembering that a good majority of lumps are benign. I am much more worried about my sister, who is waiting for results from an abnormal gynecological exam. We just buried our dear father, who died of bladder and liver cancer, and the thought of possibly losing her, too, feels unbearable. She and I are trying to take one step at a time and not borrow worry from tomorrow. Some days, it manages to trickle in anyway.
--Cheryl
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Thanks so much for the update Cheryl!!! I soooo feel for you and your sister having been in a similar situation myself... just so overwhelming with your recent loss while you and your sister are worrying about each other and having to address your respective health concerns at the same time! One step at a time sometimes a morning or an afternoon or an evening at a time as hard as that can be too at times. All we really have is right now so do what you can to focus on what is right in front of you.... Please check back in as you can...
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Thanks so much for your very kind note, LivinLife! I appreciate every bit of support so much, and it really helps me not to worry when I talk with those who have already been through this whole process, no matter what the eventual outcome. You are so right, it can be overwhelming to have this going on while my sister and I are yet so fresh in our grief for our father and worried about our mother, who is grieving very hard for the loss of her sweetheart and lifemate of more than 60 years. Last night, I was feeling what might be best described as a "bruised" feeling, emotionally. I really appreciate this board being here with its informative posts (last night I switched horses from reading about "puckered skin" to reading about "palpable lump," as well as the wonderful emotional support that helps keep my worries in check.
My new update is that I am scheduled for my diagnostic mammogram and ultrasound at the Seattle Cancer Care Alliance for this Friday morning, December 11. It is a 5+ hour drive, so we are driving over on Thursday. It's so worth the drive to have the great care and expertise they offer!
--Cheryl
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Cheryl, get them to test you for more than just BRCA, because of the other cancers in the family. And if the ultrasound and mammogram don’t see the lump, they should order you a breast MRI to rule out ILC, which sometimes doesn’t show itself well on other imaging modes.
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Thank you so much for your message, ShetlandPony! I will ask for this. I don't remember seeing ILC before, what does that mean? Thanks again!
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IDC, invasive ductal carcinoma, is the most common type of breast cancer, and it originates in the ducts of the breast. ILC, invasive lobular carcinoma, represents around 10%-15% of breast cancers, and originates in the lobules of the breast. Lobular cancer can be harder to detect because it often forms in sheets or lines, appearing as a thickening or a pucker rather than a distinct lump. Breast MRI is the most sensitive mode for finding ILC. So that is why, if mammogram and ultrasound don’t “see” this lump, an MRI could be done.
It does seem interesting that the breast you injured is being weird now. Hopefully they will be able to figure out if this is just part of that injury and healing.
Why were you tested for BRCA mutations? Are there family members who do have BRCA mutations? The folks at Seattle should send you to their cancer genetics specialist, who will look at your family tree in terms of cancer. Depending on that, the specialist may recommend genetic testing beyond BRCA.
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Thank you so much for your informative reply, ShetlandPony!
I took my bad fall and bruised my breast (and a lot of the rest of me) on October 21. So it's been a while. But it surely would be nice if this was all related to that!
I believe I was tested for BRCA because there were so many others with cancer and they were mostly dead so could not be tested. My father at that time just had the prostate cancer (later bladder and liver as well). His only sister had breast cancer at age 39. Her son had prostate cancer at a fairly young age. Another brother (might have actually been two of my father's brothers) also had prostate cancer.
On my mother's side, my grandmother's sister died of breast cancer while in her 50's. I remember her, a sweet woman with a wonderful smile and laugh and a hugely swollen arm on the side with the cancer. My grandmother's mother had uterine cancer for which radium bars were implanted in her uterus. She survived to great age, 94.
I believe I have missed a few, so I'll check with my mother tomorrow.
--Cheryl
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Just an update about various cancers in my family tree (I knew I was missing some!)
Father: Prostate, bladder, liver (died). Prostate cancer treated in 2016, no recurrence. Died of bladder/liver cancer, possible brain tumor and other mets, age 86.
My father's only sister: Breast cancer, age 39, mastectomy. Lived to great age (89?). Died of lung cancer, long-time smoker.
My father's sister's son: Prostate cancer, age 50's
My father's brother: Prostate cancer
My maternal grandmother's sister: breast cancer, mets to lungs, died aged 50's
My maternal grandmother's mother: uterine cancer, in her 40's, lived to age 94, died in her sleep.
My paternal grandfather's sister, R: breast cancer in 40's or 50's, survived, lived to great age, died of stroke.
My paternal grandfather's brother, B: pancreatic cancer, died, age 70's
My paternal grandfather's sister, H: breast cancer, age early 50s, many years later, osteopenia bone cancer, died aged late 60s
My paternal grandfather's sister, E: bowel cancer, age 65, died
(My paternal grandfather's family had 7 children in it, and of those, 4 had cancer, with 3 of them dying from it)
The good news is no cancer in any of my four grandparents or my mother.
I was told (or read about, I don't recall which) a possible link between prostate and breast cancer back in 2015. I asked about and received genetic testing, given the cluster of prostate and breast cancer in my father's family. I thought it was just BRCA, but it may have been more in depth. I was in a bit of a fog, and just very relieved it was negative. I will get copies when I am in Seattle tomorrow.
Thank you, ShetlandPony, for asking about this. It brought about a very necessary conversation with my dear mother, who is becoming more forgetful, and some of this information was in danger of being lost. It is now safely stored in a paper notebook, on my computer, and here.
We are still waiting for results for my sister. It feels like forever when you are in that waiting period.
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Another family related update:
My sister's pelvic ultrasound has been scheduled for tomorrow morning at the same time I will be having my diagnostic mammogram and ultrasound.
Meanwhile, my brother's wife has also been tested for a possibly cancerous lesion on her tongue, results pending. Her mother died of breast cancer, with multiple mets, aged 66.
When it rains, it pours. There are three children in my family of birth, so each of us is now waiting for some sort of news about possible cancer. Hoping all negative!
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Wow! Just sooo much going on!!! I'm just glad you and your sister will get your testing done tomorrow too - though odd timing them being scheduled at the same time, huh? Hopefully you will both get results soon. It's the not knowing "What" that is so hard - living in that limbo. Once one knows you can celebrate if good news or at least learn what the plan is if it is not. I'm with ShetlandPony on getting a cancer panel. I have an extensive family and extended family history of cancer as well. My genetic counselor had me do a cancer panel - lots and lots of genes and variants they look at with panels. Mine came back normal except for a variant they are still researching - seems related to colon cancer which I'm already on top of.... thanks so much for keeping us updated - it's helpful and important to and for you as you said! It's also really nice for us to know what is happening when we're getting to know someone, esp. someone new or someone returning.... many of us here really want to be supportive as others have been for us!
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Thank you so much, LivinLife. The Cancer Care Alliance just phoned to confirm my appointment, and I learned that no provider will be meeting with me for this visit. I was surprised by that, I thought I would be meeting with someone like last time and be able to ask questions. They did tell me I would be getting my results right away, so there won't be any waiting. I will find the medical records department and ask for copies of my previous workups, since I've moved since then and my file here at home has gone astray. I want to see what genetic workup was done. It does sound like it would be a very good idea to have a full cancer panel if one wasn't already done.
I'm just so nonplussed that I won't be seeing a provider, and will have no way to ask about a cancer panel tomorrow, or to ask about the MRI if the lump doesn't show up on mammogram or ultrasound. Last time a provider met with me first, then I had the screenings, and I thought that was standard procedure. When I expressed my surprise that there wouldn't be a provider seeing me tomorrow, I was told that all providers are booked. I just assumed it would be like last time, I suppose, and so I'm feeling a bit off kilter just going in for testing and not really seeing anyone other than technicians. What if the results are not good?
--Cheryl
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I would be surprised and disappointed, too. If they say you will get results tomorrow, does that mean the radiologist will talk to you after the imaging? Or just that someone will call you? A technician can’t do it, so there should be at least a nurse you can talk to about it. Ask exactly who will call and when. Try to get your images on a disk before you leave, and fill out the records request for your copy of the day’s imaging reports. Ask what is the fastest way to get your copies.
The cancer genetics panel is a separate thing from the imaging. Maybe call the cancer genetics department and ask to schedule a consultation. If they require a referral, your primary can do it, right? You have done a good job of gathering information. For my genetics consult, the genetics counselor put it all on a family tree chart. It showed any cancer, and also cause of death for deceased relatives. And everyone’s age/birth year.
I’m so sorry cancer scares are harassing your family. You and your sister are both going to be worried about the other. Just breathe and imagine holding hands. Try to focus on what you can learn at your appointment while you are there. Keep us posted if you can.
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Thank you so much, this was so helpful to read, Shetland Pony. I made the requests when I arrived this morning.
Mammogram done, currently waiting for results. Then ultrasound.
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The technician just came and told me verbally that my mammogram is negative. She said I will also receive a letter.
Now waiting for ultrasound.
--Cheryl
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The radiologist did my ultrasound and only sees normal tissue in the area where my physician felt the lump, so I am considered clear and instructed to return in a year.
She also commented on the calcifications I was here for in 2015/2016, stating they are either stable or evolving like benign calcifications are expected to do, which was reassuring.
I asked about a lump that does not show on ultrasound or mammography and the reply was that sometimes the practitioner does not frequently exam my breasts and thus is not familiar with the normal tissue.
No report is ready yet, but they are to fax to my primary care doctor and I have requested mailed copied until end of treatment, so hope I get one as well.
--Cheryl
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Glad you got the releases, etc. as ShetlandPony suggested. I am quite surprised the tech delivered results of the mammo.... wow! COVID changing some practices? and maybe b/c it was negative? This all sounds like good news though I cannot tell if you are comfortable with this or not. I hope you follow up with your primary care so the two of you can talk about this, if even via telemed... Have you heard anything from your sister about her experience today?
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Yes, I was surprised, too, LivinLife! And I was a bit disappointed with the form of the written results, as I was expecting an actual report with BIRADS, etc, but was instead given a generic form with some checked boxes. The actual form wasn't prepared yet and they said it would be sent to my primary provider, and I can get it from her if I like. I am also hoping it will be mailed to me with the other information I requested yesterday, since I requested copies "until end of treatment."
On the form it said I have category A breasts, ie. almost entirely fatty, which makes them easier to screen, I believe. This makes me more comfortable with the findings of everything being clear. I don't know if I can get an MRI at this point, with the specialists at the Cancer Center thinking nothing is there, or if I should pursue that. It was a relief to hear that both the mammogram and ultrasound were negative. Now, to let it rest, or not?
My breasts always feel rather lumpy to me, to the point where I have pretty much given up on self exams. In retrospect, I think this was a bad idea. Given our family history, I think I need to persevere and just learn what feels normal for each part of my breasts. Maybe even make some notes, so I remember from time to time what is where.
With my family history of cancer, would I be considered high risk? My mother and grandmother had no cancer, but so many others did. I am not sure how to look at our family history and how it relates to my sister and me.
Finally, to my sister and her news. We are still waiting. She was told her results would be available in the patient portal yesterday afternoon, but there were issues and she couldn't access the portal. She asked for assistance, but still no luck. So she (and we) are on pins and needles waiting for news. My sister is beside herself, has turned to Google for information, and really frightened herself. She has all the symptoms except weight loss and loss of appetite. I told her last night that everyone here says never to talk to Dr Google, always the worst case scenario, etc. and I gave her a link to info on cervical cancer from Mayo Clinic instead. What I would really like for her would be a sister board to this one. Does anyone know of a good support board like this one for women who may have/do have cervical/pelvic cancer? I would love for her to be able to join and be able to read good information and get great support as I have done here. Thank you so very much to everyone who has been so helpful.
--Cheryl
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Cherylcc,
Hystersisters is the gynecological equivalent of BCO. I had a rare ovarian cancer and even hooked up with a few others who hade the same.
https://www.hystersisters.com/
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Thank you so much, MelissaDallas!
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I also think highly of HysterSisters; I was a member back when I had endometrial cancer twelve years ago.
The genetic thing can be a crapshoot. I had mine done through a genetic counselor at the breast center, and in spite of having close relatives with every kind of cancer I've had, there was no connection. It's good to know if there are risks, but the downside of partial knowledge, where there hasn't been testing yet, is that people tend to get really paranoid and assume there's a sword hanging over their head and they start disbelieving their medical team's expertise when they're given the all clear. That can lead to all kinds of anxiety issues.
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Glad you got the recommendations for your sister and hope you hear soon. Even though you wrote "until the end of treatment" you will still need to be the one following up to get copies of those things. You just won't have to sign a release again. You may have already thought that through.... Just such a crapshoot on the genetics testing as Alice said. I lost three siblings and both parents to various cancers and have lost many (most) extended family members to various cancers as well. The only thing that showed up in my cancer panel was a variant that likely puts me at high risk for colon cancer. The genetics counselor said despite all the family history he often finds that coincidental - no genetic ties - so surprising.
That may or may not be true for your genetics so important you get tested. The other part of that - my youngest sister died of a rare neuroendocrine lung cancer. Her surgeon told her oldest son to make sure to get genetic testing. I obviously tested negative. He and his brothers may test positive or negative.... so these things can vary from family member to family member too....
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Thank you, AliceBastable and LivinLife, that is very helpful to know. I requested my records and received them today. Looking through, I found I was tested for the BRCA1 and BRCA2 only, and was negative. My insurance wouldn't cover the comprehensive breast and ovarian cancer panel that was recommended by the Seattle Cancer Care Alliance. They told me about (I had forgotten) testing that can be done through a company called Color Genomics. I am going to look into that, just out of interest. Does anyone else have experience with them or another genetic testing company?
My father's cancer had not yet been diagnosed at that particular appointment, and in March, 2016, using the Tyrer-Cuzick risk assessment model to calculate my lifetime risk of developing a breast cancer, based predominantly on my family history, the calculations indicated a 19% lifetime risk of developing breast cancer. I don't know how my father's prostate, bladder, and liver cancer would impact this risk assessment model.
We received potentially good news about my sister yesterday: it appears that her issue may be large benign cysts. Still waiting for some of the results, and there may be more tests yet to be done, but something that sounds like good news is very welcome.
We haven't heard anything yet about my brother's wife and her tongue lesion. She was exposed to Covid-19 last week at work, and we're all hoping she's not going to be positive for that. I think her doctor's appointment to check her lesion has been delayed due to the exposure.
As I read through the notes from my previous appointments with a provider (no provider this time, just the radiologist who did my ultrasound), it was recommended that I have a clinical breast exam every six months and an annual mammogram. My question that I am currently pondering is whether I should ask my primary provider (family practice physician) to do the exam, or make the trip to Seattle for the clinical breast exam after requesting a new provider there? (The provider I had previously left SCCA after my last appointment there in 2016.) I would love to hear the thoughts of some of you with more experience.
--Cheryl
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