Experience with nipple sparing mastectomy?

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renbird
renbird Member Posts: 110

Hi ladies-

I’ve dropped out of sight a bit because my lumpectomy and subsequent re-excision still left ONE bad margin... AND then my super high 35 Oncotype score (yikes!) has me scheduled for chemo! Whoosh! This, even though Stage One and no lymph node issues. Really shocked me.

Here’s where I am now:

1. My surgeon has offered me the option of a second re-excision, but because my breast is small and dense and cloudy with many calcs, and (I’m only 48 with (hopefully) a long haul ahead which I don’t want to be full of more scanning, biopsies, and such, plus with chemo no rads!) I am pretty sure I will elect to have a mastectomy this month.

2. That said: I now have another option presented to me by my surgeon: a nipple sparing mastectomy or a simple mastectomy.

Has anyone out there had experiences with a nipple sparing mastectomy?

Thank you! : )

-Renbird

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  • LiveLoveLaugh2020
    LiveLoveLaugh2020 Member Posts: 322
    edited October 2020

    Hi Renbird. Sorry on the high onco score and having to have chemo, sending positive thoughts your way. I had a bilateral nipple sparing MX last year. I am very thankful that my nipples survived and I’m very happy with the outcome.

    One downside I wasn’t expecting was two surgeries back to back. During the MX my surgeons didn’t like the blood supply to the nipples/skin and how things looked so they held off on placing the expanders to give everything a week to heal. I’m told this is not very common but does happen when needed. I don’t want to scare you in any way just wanted to tell you the good and bad of my experience.

    So to say I woke up in a shock and was devastated is an understatement because it was not something I expected at all. But a week later I went back in and had the expanders placed. Even though I was upset about the additional surgery I’m glad they waited and my skin and nipples survived.

    It’s a long healing process, the nipples take a while to heal. I had delayed healing on one side and bruising for months. But like I said I am very thankful that my nipples survived and look great.

    This is quite the emotional roller coaster. I wish you the best going forward and I’m here if you have any questions.

  • renbird
    renbird Member Posts: 110
    edited October 2020

    LiveLaughLove2020-

    What a great handle! : )

    Thank you so much for your prompt and informative reply and well wishes. Sounds like your reconstruction was the trickiest not if your experience. So sorry that happened to you. Ugh.

    I am not planning on reconstruction, (although they’ve told me I may be able to have a fat graft down the road, but I’m so tiny that evening with one breast gone, I won’t be terribly uneven.) I think though that seeing two nipples will be helpful to me.

    I guess during surgery they triple check that there’s no cancer in the area left behind, and if there is, they switch to simple mastectomy. Was this what they told you?

    Thanks again!

    -Renbird

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited October 2020

    renbird - I had hoped to have nipple sparing mastectomy, but once the surgeon got in she discovered the margins would be too close - so they had to go. She had warned me and I was prepared, but still. I'd always planned to go to Vinnie for the 3D tatoos, but somehow just got used to it.

  • muska
    muska Member Posts: 1,195
    edited October 2020

    I had nipple sparing seven years ago. Great option for the right candidate. My tumors were not close to the nipple, I think that’s the main pre-requisite so to speak. You probably could consider direct to implant if you wanted to

  • hnsquared
    hnsquared Member Posts: 72
    edited October 2020

    hello renbird....sorry you are here with us and needing more surgery. I had a bilateral skin sparing, nipple sparing direct to implant surgery on 9/21. So far so good 😊. My tumor was not near my nipple so my bs said I was a good candidate. I was also a good candidate for direct to implant due to not wanting to be larger than I was prior to surgery. I’m healing well. My nipples are a little bruised but my plastic said they are healing well. Obviously I’m still in the early healing stages but I am happy with my choice.

    Yes...during surgery they did pathology on the nipple and there were no concerns. If there were then I wouldn’t have had nipples. I will say it was so crazy at my first post op appointment to see my skin and nipples...they looked like my breasts. Please let me know if you have any questions.

    Heather

  • bcincolorado
    bcincolorado Member Posts: 5,758
    edited October 2020

    Hi,

    Sorry you are dealing with this.

    I had skin sparing/nipple sparing on my cancer side. It is me at least on the outside of me over there! Glad I did!

    Best wishes to you!

  • LillyIsHere
    LillyIsHere Member Posts: 830
    edited October 2020

    I had nipple sparing BMX last Fall. Looks fine but what I know how I would have prefered to remove the nipples for two reasons:

    1. You can't feel them anyway

    2. I wouldn't need to wear bras if I didn't have the nipples but now I do because they poke through the shirt. I never liked wearing bras and now I do need to wear them.

    Good luck!

  • OCDAmy
    OCDAmy Member Posts: 873
    edited October 2020

    I had nipple sparing on my non cancer breast and even after subsequent surgeries it was never in the right place. Ended up having it removed. Now I have matching nipple tattoos in the correct location.

  • beach2beach
    beach2beach Member Posts: 996
    edited October 2020

    HI,

    I too had small, dense breasts that already had been beaten by previous biopsies. Honestly when the BS told me I possible could have a NSPM, I had never heard of such a thing and at that moment all I knew was I wanted the boobs gone! I was told that it would depend during surgery if anything showed close to or at the nipple. I was able to have the nipple sparing mastectomy and I opted for direct to implants. I wasn't looking to go any bigger. I'm still small, barely a B.

    I would have been ok with or without the nipple sparing but I'm happy with it.

  • Mangosan99
    Mangosan99 Member Posts: 60
    edited October 2020

    I had NS BMX on 9/17 knowing that there was a good possibility that my margins would be close and I would have to have one removed in a subsequent surgery. Almost immediately post-op the cancer side turned black and I almost lost it anyway--it was a bit traumatic for me. But, it did survive. Pathology then came back as a 1mm margin so still going through the process of deciding whether to keep that nipple or not. Pleased with the result and would like to keep the nipple but it has prolonged the decision-making process for me.

  • LiveLoveLaugh2020
    LiveLoveLaugh2020 Member Posts: 322
    edited October 2020

    Your'e welcome. Yes, I was told they check the cells behind the nipple during surgery to make sure no cancer cells were seen even though there is always a possibility of different news upon final pathology. But my DCIS was small and away from my nipples thankfully. My nipples are even, and "reactive" (as in not always erect which I was told could be a possibility, only when cold etc). I don't regret it at all and am very happy.

    Again, wishing you the best.

  • pegasus68
    pegasus68 Member Posts: 73
    edited October 2020

    I'm sorry you find yourself in this position. I had a prophylactic nipple sparing bilateral mastectomy direct to implant last year, so my situation was a little different but I am very pleased with the results. I was told ahead of time that they would analyze blood flow during the mastectomy, and if it was not sufficient they would delay the reconstruction (by a week or two to allow healing). Fortunately, the blood flow during the procedure looked good but I despite this I did have a scare with nipple necrosis afterward (a known possible complication). After using nitroglycerin cream for a week, owever, the nipples ultimately healed perfectly and I have no regrets.

    Best wishes with your decision and hoping for a full recovery for you!


  • Amyb131
    Amyb131 Member Posts: 10
    edited October 2020

    I just had a bilateral nipple sparing mastectomy on 10/5/20...I've chosen reconstruction with TE. Here a week out, and I basically look like a normal A cup...a little lumpy from the TE, but I am very pleased. My cancer was on the right side, but not near the nipple. My outlook is for a full B cup, but if I went no further today, I would be happy with my appearance. I’ve definitely learned that each patients journey and choices are different...Best Wishes to y

  • KayMorgan
    KayMorgan Member Posts: 7
    edited November 2020

    I had a nipple sparing direct to reconstruction mastectomy. Before the surgery my nipples were fairly symmetrical but post surgery they are off by an inch going in opposite directions. Not sure if this is from swelling. With a t-shirt on my breasts look perfect and the same BUT if you notice my nipples... they are 9:00 and 6:00!?

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited December 2020

    Kay - when was your surgery? It takes from 6 weeks to 6 months for some of the internal swelling to go down. If you're more than a month out, what did your PS say at your post-op? I don't think this is a normal result for a good PS.

  • KayMorgan
    KayMorgan Member Posts: 7
    edited December 2020

    It is just 4 weeks tomorrow. I know there is still swelling and firm spots. Not sure if the swelling affects symmetry. Before the surgery they measured my nipple distance from my collarbone and it was the same for each side exactly. Now it is way off. I can be patient and wait three months... I just need someone to tell me this is ok and normal. There is not a single post about this. The implants are the exact same size but much larger than what I was before. Freaking out a bit. Saw the PS only to take off bandages. Was a swollen mess back then. He said that they looked good and to know that nothing is ever perfectly symmetrical. I understand that. The shape is one thing but nipples this off are another story. See him later this week. Wanted to hear from others before I push him on this so soon in recovery. Can swelling distort nipple placement

  • Rah2464
    Rah2464 Member Posts: 1,647
    edited December 2020

    Kay I also had NSP direct to implant surgery. My understanding at the time was that direct to implant an option as long as I wanted to stay pretty close to my natural breast size. My PS increased my size just a tiny bit, and I think it definitely added to the swelling that I experienced because those tissues are just traumatized. I would however push back about the nipples, and maybe consult a different PS. I am sure all manner of things can be impacted by how your body reacts (you could have cording or scar tissue happening in there pulling things around for example) but this is important emotionally for you so push until you get the result you need.

  • Accarpenter
    Accarpenter Member Posts: 32
    edited December 2020

    I had a prophylactic bmx 12/2019. The plastic surgeon wanted to spare the nipples and assured me reconstruction would be great. I opted for an immediate diep flap reconstruction. I just finished my second surgery and my nipples are very uneven, very pale in color, and the nipple placement is limiting the results of my reconstruction. They are completely numb and I would have been so much happier to just tattoo them on and have had better results

  • KayMorgan
    KayMorgan Member Posts: 7
    edited December 2020

    I do have cording from my arm pit to my elbow on one side and a thick large cord from my arm pit into my pec and breast on the other. I have been doing exercises that is stretching the area but have only been doing them for the last week. I had implants before, that is why they went directly to reconstruction. That is why I couldn’t understand why all of a sudden I had a symmetry issue. These implants are 100cc bigger than the implants that came out

  • KayMorgan
    KayMorgan Member Posts: 7
    edited December 2020

    I can totally relate to you. There is nothing fun about any of this. I did not expect to be perfect after surgery and understand that breasts are ‘sisters not twins’ But asymmetrical nipples ruin anything that is good. I would rather take the nipples off and tattoo them instead of hide them all the time. Mine are erect all the time so it looks strange with them pointing wrong. If something was symmetrical before and they are using the same skin, how do they mess it up? Are you still swollen? Do you have cording

  • DiveCat
    DiveCat Member Posts: 968
    edited December 2020

    I had prophylactic nipple sparing direct to implant in 2014. I am happy I did it as seeing my nipples still there was a bit reassuring. They are a bit asymmetrical though and while that does not bother me much clothed (I always wear a bra even if just a stretchy wire free one) it bothers me visually unclothed a bit. I am finally getting nipple tattoos to help even them out optically.

    It’s very personal though. I don’t have any substantial sensation in them (except the zingers I get it seems after each surgery) and for me it was definitely just a way for me to keep something “I could”.

  • KayMorgan
    KayMorgan Member Posts: 7
    edited December 2020

    Thank you for replying. I am wondering if one of my nipples attached to the implant in the wrong place. I have extra skin near my armpit that seems to be tacked up. The breast skin is so tight over the implant it is like it is attached. It is tight until near my armpit and then loose and extra skin. Feel like that is keeping my nipple high on that side. Is that normal or is it just swelling? Anyone else have this

  • Rah2464
    Rah2464 Member Posts: 1,647
    edited December 2020

    Kay I had all kinds of cording issues these last 2 1/2 years from my surgery. I worked with a massage therapist to release a lot of them but finally listened to my PS and had a revision surgery about two weeks ago. My PS told me she removed a lot of scar tissue ( pathology all benign yay) and I feel 1000 percent better. I really struggled with going back in, felt like I was complaining or failing - why do we do this? I hope you will pursue resolution to your issue. If your current PS doesn't listen, find a different one. My PS had to convince me to go back in and I am so glad that I did.

  • KayMorgan
    KayMorgan Member Posts: 7
    edited December 2020

    I needed to hear that! I was just thinking last night that I should just be grateful for just having something. This is the only safe place to complain. When I mentioned it to someone who hasn’t had cancer they always say that at least the cancer is gone. Makes me feel bad that I probably should be worried more about the chemo but honestly I care more about where my nipples are pointed and about losing my hair.

  • Rah2464
    Rah2464 Member Posts: 1,647
    edited December 2020

    Kay I so understand. It isn't vanity, it is sanity. We all have things that are critical to us. So push for what you need to heal in whatever form. You aren't complaining or whining or being a bother. You are holding yourself in value in whatever form you decide that takes.

  • Lilac17
    Lilac17 Member Posts: 31
    edited December 2020

    I had a nipple sparing mastectomy in 2018. I never thought much of it, I was happy to have my own nipples. But recently I was going through my chart and I saw notes from my second opinion. It said I was “not a candidate for nipple sparing mastectomy from an oncological perspective and to be a candidate from an aesthetic perspective would be up to PS”-

    I remember zero of that conversation! My second opinion was so arrogant I tuned out and discounted everything he said and decided to stay with my original surgeon. Now two years out, I do have some regrets. That second opinion surgeon has since left that hospital so I can’t even ask him to clarify his statement. My tumor was 2cm from the nipple so based on my research that is pretty close to the cut off.

  • KayMorgan
    KayMorgan Member Posts: 7
    edited December 2020

    I was told two cms was the cut off, I was just under. My surgeon was able to get a good margin and good blood flow, those were also determining factors to keep my nipples. I would think that even if you did find that doctor, he would have to guess why he wrote that note. Did you ask your surgeon or one of your current doctors?

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