Choice Between AC-T & TC
I've been lurking the community for about a month now as I've come to grips with my diagnosis in mid-September and have found a lot of comfort with the stories and support so I've decided to officially join. I hope to be a supportive contributor and give back as much as I hope to receive. Prior to my BMX surgery 10/06, I went in knowing I had a 2cm tumor, ER/PR + and 1 lymph node impacted with cancer based on the initial biopsy. My oncologist did say she would run a mammaprint test post surgery to see if chemo was recommended so long as it was the single lymph node impacted. Well, surprise, I had 6 lymph nodes removed in surgery and 2 were found to have macromatastases, largest being 13mm (choke). Yesterday was a bit jarring as I learned of this updated pathology. I was also informed my cancer was now grade 3 vs. grade 2 as indicated on the original biopsy. Needless to say this information put me in a tailspin. So chemo is a definite at this point, which I am totally fine with. What concerned me is my Oncologist giving me a choice of AC-T (recommended) or TC. I'm frightened of the prospect of life long heart issues that could result from the AC-T regimen but struggle to understand the true, measurable calculated benefit vs. risk with one chemo over the other specific to my cancer grade/stage. I am younger with no apparent heart problems outside of HBP which I've been medicated for some 15 years now but I want quality of life. I want to be able to go running again some day and chase after my kids without a heart issue. Has anyone been given the opportunity to choose chemo regimens? If so, what facts/data did you use to base your decision? I know overall this whole cancer situation seems to be a crap shoot, but I am a planner, organizer and facts type of person so making an informed decision is important to me. Any support, advice or knowledge would be greatly appreciated. TIA!
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Dear Ballarinashavefins,
Welcome to the BCO community. We are sorry for your diagnosis and treatment and we are very glad that you have reached out to our members to share your experiences and hopefully to benefit from the support that is readily available here. While you are waiting for some of our members to weigh in in response to your question you might also do a search using the search function in the tool bar using the names of your drugs. Be sure to use quotes if you are using more than one word. Such a search will lead you to other posts and other members who are following those treatments. You can reach out to them via private message which is another feature that allows members to connect with others with specified questions. Here is a link to information on our main site that discusses choosing a drug combination. Keep us posted as to how we can continue to support you here. We look forward to having you.
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I was originally set up for AC-T and then was switched to TC once I got back my Oncotype. I had two sentinel nodes show micromets so my MO sent out for Oncotype. While waiting for Oncotype results I pushed for ALND to check for further nodes as I knew I couldn't live with not knowing. They found two more nodes fully positive more so than the sentinel nodes so MO said I was destined for chemo. Set me up with AC-T and then a week before I was ready to start chemo I got my Oncotype results which was a 3. Even though I had 4 nodes involved and Oncotype is good for up to 3 nodes, my MO was encouraged by the low score and said the heart risk associated with the Adriamyacin outweighed any benefit I would get from it. He switched me to TC. I didn't choose the TC and was just following oncologist guidance but his reasoning made sense to me. Best of Luck to you.
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With 2 positive nodes you still qualify for an Oncotype if you want to get a recurrence risk assessed based on genomics of the tumor. https://www.oncotypeiq.com/en-US/breast-cancer/hea...
I was supposed to get TC and then when my Oncotype came back indicating I was triple negative, my MO changed her recommendation to AC+T. I understand AC+T to be a more aggressive chemo regimen. While there is a risk of cardiac problems, they're by no means ubiquitous. I was back to doing zumba several times a week and running after my dogs, and back to school full time within a couple months of finishing chemo for stage 1 cancer. I had no heart problems and still don't (just had a repeat echo in March in prep for treatment of my recurrence). My own personal sense is that the younger you are the better it is to hit it as hard as you can. Grade 3 also suggests a certain aggressiveness which I think warrants a strong approach.
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Hi Ballerina. Sometimes I think our medical professionals give us more latitude than is appropriate. Your MO is the expert and should be guiding you in this decision, IMO. But since the question was put to you, you need to understand as well as you can what you are choosing between.
VERY few of us (if any) will have experience with both of these prescriptions, and anyone who does likely has substantially different health from one time to another. So we can't give you comparative help. Here is a website link for Chemocare, which provides info on each of the chemo drugs in similar format. It might help you assess toxicity, efficacy, and side effects.
My own experience was with AC (not including Taxol.) I had 4 cycles, dense dose (meaning, 2 weeks apart rather than 3.) It was not horrible for me. I was in excellent health when diagnosed at age 58, with exceptions of managed HBP and hypothyroid. Surprisingly, after many years of taking meds for HBP, I no longer need them. So for me, that is a positive surprise effect.
Good luck. Let us know what you decide.
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I had 2 nodes with cancer and a large tumor. My oncotype came back (3 years ago) at 18 so we decided on TC. It is a very doable treatment and I’m glad that was the route I took. Best of luck with your decision and treatment.
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Thank you all for the support and information. To MountainMia's credit, I completely agree. As much as I respect the freedom of choice, it would have been easier for my MO to just say these are the options and here is what we are going with. To her credit she does strongly recommend the AC-T over TC but does it really necessitate a choice if there is a preferred or better treatment plan.
I'm going to, for now, agree with the AC-T as the course since she recommends it. I will, however, also push for the Oncotype and Mammaprint to have because I think they are great sets of data to have to understand my cancer and help guide some decision making.
Thank you all for sharing your experiences and insight!
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I could have done either TC or AC + Taxol, but my oncologist said that (in her experience) her BC patients were more likely to finish AC + T than TC. Because I did AC + Taxol (+ Herceptin + Perjeta), my oncologist ordered regular heart scans. If they had detected any problems with my heart, she would have stopped treatment. (As she likes to say, "You only have one heart.")
AC was not a picnic. I definitely had chemo brain while on it, though I worked through it. I did not have chemo brain on Taxol (Taxotere's gentler cousin) but taxol chemos are known for causing gastrointestinal distress (diarrhea, constipation, heartburn, nausea, etc.). Personally, it gave me diarrhea (which I treated with Imodium). Taxotere is also associated with a very very very very small chance of permanent hair loss. On the other hand, if you want to preserve your hair through cold capping, cold capping works better for BC patients who receive Taxotere or Taxol, and doesn't work as well for those receiving AC.
Each regimen has its pros and cons. My neighbor did TC, and it worsened her heart condition. (Thank goodness, she didn't do AC.) AC has had no long-term effects on me.
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I did AC because that was the standard treatment at the time. Most people do NOT get heart problems. I am more active than ever.....hike, walk, take different exercise classes almost every day of the week etc. etc. My advice would be to do whatever is recommended NOW so that you have the best chance of NEVER having to deal with it again!
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