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  • brittonkb
    brittonkb Member Posts: 102
    edited August 2020

    Shar - Thanks for sharing the article... I’ll definitely take a look. I wish we could just wave a magic wand and have all the answers! It was actually my oncologist at the James Cancer Center who recommended the powder. He is my lead oncologist but I also have a local MO where I receive my infusions. I still have time but will definitely let you all know how it works out.

    Nottoday - I am employed but have worked remotely since Covid hit. I did a lot of my work remotely even before Covid so not too much of a change. I definitely found it hard to concentrate with fogginess last week. I spent some time yesterday checkI got some emails I sent to make sure I didn’t sound drunk and that I sent to the right people!

  • Smichaels11
    Smichaels11 Member Posts: 132
    edited August 2020

    brittonkb, that is too funny about the work emails! I have been working from home due to COVID. My boss is allowing me to continue working from home until after chemo and surgery recovery, which will probably take me into mid-December. During my brain fog days I also feel like I'm sending drunk emails, lol! I have a lot of staff that reports to me, and I feel so badly because I have them repeat themselves and clarify things so many times. I'm very thankful to work for a great company with excellent health insurance. I feel so badly for those who work in less than ideal situations or don't have insurance. That would be terrifying.

  • Melbo
    Melbo Member Posts: 346
    edited August 2020

    Day 4 of my first chemo cycle and I believe the Perjeta-induced diarrhea has begun. Other than the fatigue, the diarrhea is the worst and is the one symptom I am the most concerned about. Everything else has kind of come and gone: heart burn, a sore on my tongue, funky tastes, and my fingers feeling clumsy. I'll notice one of the symptoms for a bit, and then 20 minutes later it will be gone. Still no nausea, even though I am trying to be hyper-aware of it starting so I can take one of my pills to stop it. Granted, based on what you guys have posted about your experiences with TCHP -- day 4 seems to be when the worst side effects kick in. I was surprised to feel pretty decent for days 1, 2, and 3.

    So far I have managed to walk every day -- just 1.5 miles and nothing super fast, but at least it's something.

  • AnnaTheBrave
    AnnaTheBrave Member Posts: 69
    edited August 2020

    Melbo, I’m sorry you aren’t feeling great. Don’t forget there are options and to reach out to your team if Imodium isn’t cutting it! Imodium was all I needed to control things in terms of dehydration but my MO also added an rx called Bentyl, to try during my next round, which is supposed to help with the painful stomach cramping. She said it can be great but it’s hit or miss in terms of effectiveness; I’m hoping it helps and am glad I have something to try!

    Has anyone had the experience of taking Claritin for the Neulasta and then NOT taking Claritin? I had asthma during my first round, which is usually well controlled just with Zyrtec. Since I can’t take Zyrtec and Claritin, my MO told me to just skip the Claritin and take tramadol if needed. My legs were achy but not unbearable during my first round, but I’m worried I’ll be miserable this round

  • kimintx
    kimintx Member Posts: 13
    edited August 2020

    This is my first post here ever. I have been a lurker for the last few months. But, I just started Chemo at the end of July. I will be having my 3rd round this Thursday. I have had no symptoms at all. I feel pretty good so far. I keep waiting for the bottom to fall out. Unfortunately, I do have it in my liver, too. I was not expecting that but I will fight it like everything else. I believe I am considered the triple negative because one of mine was a low postive so they are treating me as a triple negative. Please, forgive me, I am not sure of all the correct terminology for everything. You ladies, have given me such hope from your stories and your motivation to help yourself and others.

  • mtspacekace
    mtspacekace Member Posts: 157
    edited August 2020

    Melbo: My Perjeta induced diarrhea starts usually day 4. This time I had constipation on day 3, felt great day 4, and day 5 the holy hell gates broke loose. Take the Imodium! I was able to get it controlled by mid-morning and was fine the rest of the day. After it starts, and I get it under control, it seems the rest of the time it’s manageable and I don’t need Imodium. I did get dehydrated, and I knew I wasn’t drinking enough fluids so I went in about day 8-9 and got a bag of fluids at my infusion center. That helped a lot. It can depend a lot of what I eat too. Greasy foods are a big no-no!

    kimintx: Sorry you have to join us, but welcome! We are all here to help each other fight this nasty thing!

  • Melbo
    Melbo Member Posts: 346
    edited August 2020

    So far the Imodium seems to be working, although I'm still really nervous about eating or drinking anything. I am trying to make sure I at least get my 64oz of water for the day though, and I'm at least on track for that. The nurse coordinator also mentioned a prescription I can get if the Imodium isn't enough, so I'll keep that in mind.

    I also just got my genetic results back -- no genetic mutations for breast cancer. This cancer is just random. On the plus side, it means a low risk of getting a different breast cancer or ovarian cancer down the road.

    kimintx - it's a terrible club to be in, but sharing the experience with others going through it at the same time does help a lot.

  • brittonkb
    brittonkb Member Posts: 102
    edited August 2020

    Kimintx - welcome! Certainly the club no one wants to join but better sharing experiences with others going through it. Sorry to hear it's also in your liver. Love your positive attitude toward fighting it! A good friend of mine has it in her liver too - we see the same oncologist who says never to give up hope and that he has “a bag of a thousand tricks". So many treatment options are available.

    Melbo - sorry to hear you're not feeling well. Hope you're able to move past that soon!

    I went for blood work today. Had my first infusion last Monday and second should be a week from now. My WBC was 2 and my ANC dropped from 5,000 last week to 640 today. Anyone else experience such lows? They said the ANC needs to be > 1,000 to safely have chemo so really hoping for a decent rebound this week! Dr gave me an antibiotic to take at even the slightest sign of infection. Wish me luck that the counts rise and no need for the antibiotic!

  • Evergreenman
    Evergreenman Member Posts: 17
    edited August 2020

    Hi Ladies, I was talking to someone from my peer support group and I find her experience is quite inspiring so I might share it with you all. She got diagnosed in 2011 with stage IV and spread to liver. After the treatments she has been cancer free all these years. She worked full time throughout the treatments and now she is very happy and thriving! Her air grown back after a year and it became more curly and beautiful.



  • kimintx
    kimintx Member Posts: 13
    edited August 2020

    Thank you for that story! I love to hear this and gives me hope!

  • Smichaels11
    Smichaels11 Member Posts: 132
    edited August 2020

    Good morning everyone! I'm at the center now for my 3rd infusion. Waiting on my blood work now. I have been feeling great the past week so I'm not looking forward to this again, but no pain no gain!

    Welcome Kimi, I appreciate your great attitude!!

    Britton, I'm curious about going in for blood work between infusions. Do others do this as well? I haven't had to go. They check my blood work the morning of my infusions.

  • mtspacekace
    mtspacekace Member Posts: 157
    edited August 2020

    Smichaels: Best of luck with #3! Just think, you will be half done after this! I go before my infusions to get blood work...last time I went about 6 days before because I saw my oncologist that day. He had said my blood work looked great and I wouldn’t have to repeat it before my infusion. This time I go in Friday for bloodwork and then my infusion is Tuesday, I see my oncologist Wednesday.

  • Nottodaycancer2020
    Nottodaycancer2020 Member Posts: 27
    edited August 2020

    Melbo-how are you feeling after your first cycle?

    Welcome Kimi

    Smichaels-Going into the third round 💪. I hear you on feeling great and heading into another cycle. I feel pretty good and go back for my 2nd on Friday.

    Evergreenman-it’s so good to hear positive stories!

    As for me- I buzzed my hair last night as the hair was getting annoying falling out over the place and I started to have a bald spot on the front. It was a bit more emotional that I expected with that first look in the mirror. It’s a little shocking at first. My kids and hubby helped shave it off. I already go back for my 2nd cycle Friday. I’m really not looking forward to being on the steroid. I did struggle with some chest pressure (maybe anxiety) and poor sleep. I will meet with the MO eighth before the appointment to go over symptoms I’m assuming. I also scheduled an appointment with the integrated health doctor who will go over supplements I want to take and provide resources for holistic support.

    Not sure who asked but I have not gone in for routine blood work between cycles. I go in 2 days before my cycle for blood work


  • brittonkb
    brittonkb Member Posts: 102
    edited August 2020

    smichaels - My oncologist office brings patients back for blood work mid-cycle just between the 1st and 2nd treatments. They said it's up to me if I want to come in between future cycles. Although I wonder if they'll want to see me next time too if my counts don't rebound quite a bit. I probably will do it either way, if for no other reason than to see how much I should stay away from my teenagers (and husband who now spends most of his days driving our teenagers around!). I'm actually staying with my mother in law right now until we see how things go. The MO is concerned about potential infection. Best of luck on your infusion today! Another one to check off!

    Nottoday - Good for you for getting ahead on the hair front. I noticed more 'shedding' this morning. My 13 yo daughter (at least as of now) wants to cut and shave my hair so thinking may do that Sunday or Monday depending on how things progress and how I feel after infusion on Monday. I'm sure you'll get more and more accustomed to it in the coming days.

    Welcome Kimintx! I'm Kim in Ohio :)


  • Iamloved
    Iamloved Member Posts: 228
    edited August 2020

    To all our new members if you would like me to add you to our members list in the orginal post please pm me your name start date and your treatment plan.

    Smichaels11...wishing you the best today at your half way point!!

    mtspacekace...my MO won't let me do labs any earlier than 24 hours.

  • Shar2020
    Shar2020 Member Posts: 234
    edited October 2020

    Welcome, Kimintx. We're here for you! This is a very kind, helpful and supportive group.

    Evergreenman, thank you very much for the inspiring post about the woman in your support group.

    Nottoday, best wishes as you go for your next infusion on Friday.

    Smichaels11, yay, infusion number 3! Halfway through the chemo part of this whole experience. I hope all goes well for you today.

    Brittonkb, hoping all goes well with your next bloodwork, and your infusion goes ahead on Monday. Your oncologist sounds great! I like his comment, “a bag of a thousand tricks!"

    Melbo, I hope the lower g.i. problem has settled and you are feeling better.

    Iamloved, I hope you are ok since your last infusion and fasting. (And I hope you enjoyed the Dairy Queen ice cream after your fasting!)

  • Iamloved
    Iamloved Member Posts: 228
    edited August 2020

    Shar2020...I am doing ok. I do not have the Big D like I did during round 1. I do have more nausea and a bit more fatigue. How is your hair loss?I have been using my lint roller the last few days to help hasten the process. It is a still hard for me to realize this is my reality for the next year. I do have a tiny bit of numbness in my toes today. I will have to make note of that in my journal. 🤗 to all today!

  • Iamloved
    Iamloved Member Posts: 228
    edited August 2020

    Question for all...does anyone else struggle to get liquids in? Everything this round makes me feel nauseous. Water power aides cranberry juice Sprite etc. Food isn't an issue but liquids make me gag.🤢

  • kimintx
    kimintx Member Posts: 13
    edited August 2020

    Lamloved.... I haven't encountered that just yet. But, tomorrow will be my 3rd dose of Chemo. I have not had any bad symptoms yet. (knock on wood) I have had one mouth sore and kinda feel achy like I have a fever but it usually goes away. No hair loss yet either. I keep waiting for the bottom to fall out. Coke tastes really good to me and I was an avid Diet Coke drinker. I take Zofran daily so I usually never feel nauseus. Hope you feel better soon!

  • Nottodaycancer2020
    Nottodaycancer2020 Member Posts: 27
    edited August 2020

    iamloved-I was having a hard time after chemo because I had a metallic taste in my mouth. I ordered water drops and have been adding those which has really helped my intake.

  • Iamloved
    Iamloved Member Posts: 228
    edited August 2020

    Nottodaycancer2020...could I get the info on your drops.

    kimintx...I am happy to hear you are sailing thru this. I hope it continues for you! And no hair loss! Amazing! Are you cold capping?

  • Smichaels11
    Smichaels11 Member Posts: 132
    edited August 2020

    Iamloved, I find that keeping my water full of ice, with a few squirts of lemonade flavored Mio is helpful. I also use a straw so I can drink it really fast. I purchased a large, cute water bottle from Amazon that makes me a little happier while drinking it, lol!

  • kimintx
    kimintx Member Posts: 13
    edited August 2020

    No, cold capping. No Chemo for me tomorrow because of low blood count. UGH. I have to go in and get some sort of injection. I just hate delaying everything! I am ready to roll!

  • Iamloved
    Iamloved Member Posts: 228
    edited August 2020

    kimintx...So sorry to read that. The delay would be the worst.

    Smichaels11…thx for the tip. How did today's infusion go? You're half way there!

  • mtspacekace
    mtspacekace Member Posts: 157
    edited August 2020

    iamloved: I am really struggling to get liquids in! This round has been terrible. I did go in about day 7 and get a big bag of fluids, and am glad I did. After that I have been able to drink crushed ice, water, and a lemon slice (sometimes I add a strawberry) through a straw...or Capri Suns, and sugar free gatorades.

  • Smichaels11
    Smichaels11 Member Posts: 132
    edited August 2020

    Iamloved, today's infusion was pretty uneventful (just how I like it)! Blood work was good. I sat in the recliner for the first time. My other two infusions I was in a bed because of how long TCHP is, but it was pretty busy in the clinic. I didn't mind the recliner, it made icing much easier.

    The only weird thing, and this happened during my second round too, was that about 10 minutes into the docetaxel it felt harder to breathe and my face was hot and flushed. It only lasted maybe 1 minute but it still freaked me out. I didn't tell the nurse last time, but I did this time. She didn't seem overly worried because it didn't last long at all. Anyone else experience anything like that?

  • Nottodaycancer2020
    Nottodaycancer2020 Member Posts: 27
    edited August 2020

    iamloved- the drops I use are called Water Drops. They are made with stevia. I bought a 4 pack on amazon

    Smichaels-I’ve just had the one cycle but never experienced anything like that.

  • Melbo
    Melbo Member Posts: 346
    edited August 2020

    I am in awe of those of you going through this with kids at home. I have spent most of the last two days sleeping on the couch with no energy to do anything and I know when you have kids that just isn't always an option.

    My GI issues have been mostly controlled by Imodium and none have been as awful as the first day of issues. I feel like maybe I might have some energy today, although if I end up taking nausea drugs I expect I'll end up right back on the couch again. Hopefully I can at least eek out a few hours before I have to take anything.

    Just to chime in on a conversation I mostly slept through -- my oncologist gets blood work 30 minutes before infusion. They just told me to show up early so they could run it before they start with the chemo.


    I have lost 10 pounds in a week. I have the weight to lose and I'm not going to cry over it -- but it's still really fast. Food doesn't sound good. I am tracking what I eat and I make sure I eat several times a day, but with no appetite and an iffy stomach, the best I can do is usually something small. Water also doesn't sound good right now either, which is of course a problem with the diarrhea. I'm having better luck with gatorade cut with water than I am straight water, but I might order some sort of water drops to see how those work instead.

  • AnnaTheBrave
    AnnaTheBrave Member Posts: 69
    edited August 2020

    Good morning, friends, I’m about to go in for cycle #2. They drew blood on day 9 before a bag of fluids (my MO orders fluids about a week after chemo and again about five days later, and I’m encouraged to come in for fluids as needed) to see how my blood chemistry was responding to the chemo. All was well, but I’m assuming they’ll do another draw this morning since it’s been almost two weeks. I can go in a day or two earlier but they’re discouraging that because of covid—they want as few exposures as possible, I think. For me, it’s not worth the time and energy to figure out child care just to save a little time on infusion day.

    I started shedding lightly over the weekend but it was upsetting and made me avoid showering (which I’m sure everyone around me enjoyed!) so I had my five year old give me a haircut on Monday (with repeated reminders that this is the ONLY TIME she can use real scissors on real hair!!) and I can not recommend this idea enough. If you haven’t shaved yet and you have children in your life, let them cut your hair. You will be EAGER to shave it after that!!! Ha!! She actually did a really great job and in a certain way it was cute, but “great“ and “cute” are relative terms. She kept giggling and whispering, “I can’t believe I’m doing this to my actual mommy!” It was adorable, and I didn’t lose an ear! My husband shaved it for me a day later, though I took the first few swipes. And actually I really like how I look with it shaved, although I had no idea how much gray hair I had hiding under there! I’m rocking the shaved look today, though bringing a hat for coziness. Not sure I’ll feel the same about fully bald, but I hope so, as it’s easier than a wig!

    Regarding nausea with drinking, great suggestions have been made (water drops, IV hydration, zofran, etc.) and I just wanted to add my two cents that heartburn can feel nauseating. I’ve had heartburn since I was a teenager so I know what it’s like, but this chemo-induced bout felt very different. It also doesn’t always have symptoms (or symptoms you’d think to connect to heartburn), and it’s easy enough to try one of the OTC medicines like Prilosec for a few days (after checking with your doctor, of course) to see if it makes a difference. Something to consider, as a lot of these meds attack the whole GI tract.

    Wishing everyone peace and hydration!

  • Trynryan
    Trynryan Member Posts: 20
    edited August 2020

    Hi everyone! I haven’t checked in much this 2nd cycle. My next infusion is Aug 20 and last time I was feeling so much better by now. That is frustrating. I have had much more diarrhea this time which is mostly been managed with Imodium but requires me to be close to a bathroom and really needing to increase my hydration. I also broke out in a chemo rash all over my scalp and nape of neck. It is really itchy and uncomfortable... and it’s unbearable to put a wig or anything on top of it. Between these two SEs it’s been a bummer of a week. I’m trying to get by each day and look for some small win. My daughter brought me over some coconut water.. I didn’t really like it before but strangely it seems refreshing to me now- I usually dilute it a bit with water. At least it is something different. With heartburn I really have not been able to drink carbonated beverages or juices. Take care everyone. I’m hanging on to the thought of the halfway mark next week

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