prophylactic mastectomy and reconstruction
I was advised to get a mastectomy on both sides with immediate implants. Would like to hear waht to expect. and of course a recommendation for implants teardrop, round etc.
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Why, and advised by whom?
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tinasi - there are TONS of threads that discuss just what you are asking.
As to Alice's question - have you been diagnosed with breast cancer? What type, grade, stage, etc?? Are you ER/PR positive or negative? Are you HER2+? Have you met with a breast surgeon, a medical oncologist, a plastic surgeon and maybe a radiation oncologist? Have you had genetic testing? Do you have a family history of cancer? Have you had a mammo or two? An ultrasound? An MRI? A Pet/CT?
You can go to My Profile and fill in your diagnosis to date. More information would mean anyone here could provide a more thoughtful answer.
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By my physician because too many cysts, and cell changing which they dont know if this could lead to cancer
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yep, no diagnoses really. my mom did early becasue of cancer (kidney) a cousin breastcancer but haven"t done any testing
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I would get a second opinion by a breast surgeon or two, first, if you haven’t already.
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I had prophylactic bilateral mastectomies in 2016 because my geneticist told me that I had a 67% chance of developing metastatic breast cancer by age 70–and this was without even counting the fact that I was found to have a mutation of unknown significance in one of the Lynch syndrome genes. If you're unaware, Lnch Syndrome makes people highly susceptible to developing any number of about a dozen different cancers.
I received these results after learning that I had lobular carcinoma in situ (LCIS), which is a non-metastatic cancer, in my right breast. My breasts were extremely dense, which made mammograms hard to interpret, and I always had cysts. (You may want to stop drinking coffee, by the way: when I took a break from caffeine, I noticed a significant decline in cysts and premenstrual breast pain). I opted for mastectomies because I was at a high risk. My mom had had stage 3 breast cancer at age 41 (I was 39 when the LCIS was discovered)—and then she had it again 20 years later, in addition to developing endometrial cancer and perineal cancer, so I felt that I was high-risk. I even had a great uncle who'd had breast cancer. I didn't want to wait 12 months at a time to see MRI results, and I didn't want to take Tamoxifen, which was the alternative to getting mastectomies. My mom developed endometrial cancer after being on Tamoxifen (there is a known association), so mastectomies seemed like the best decision.
Be sure to carefully consider your level of risk because mastectomies are a very big move. Note: You will lose all or most feeling in your breast skin and nipples because the nerves will be cut out. Also, I don't recommend that you opt for a larger cup size because doing so stretches the skin and makes it vulnerable to infection and lymphatic or circulatory problems. This happened to me because I chose a C cup instead of my B's; I figured that I had to go through a bad situation, so I should make the best of it, but I wouldn't take that route if I could revise my past and do it all again.
Unfortunately, my left implant developed an infection 5 weeks after my surgery, and my entire breast turned purple. I had worse chills and body aches than I had ever experienced, and I was hospitalized for three nights and put on intravenous antibiotics; my doctor thinks that I could have been septic. Then the infection recurred every 4-6 weeks for a year, including during my honeymoon. There was never any pain—just hot, red skin as well as constant antibiotics and all of the complications that come from being on them so much (vaginal yeast infections, etc). Plus there was the constant worry.
I eventually had the left implant explanted for ten months before getting a new tissue expander and implant. After all of that, my new breast became red AGAIN about five weeks after receiving the new implant. Again, I took antibiotics and waited to see what would happen. This pattern is still happening, but recently I've discovered that the problem with redness might be inflamed blood vessels, so when I get flare-ups, I take Advil and eat a lot of anti-inflammatory foods. Strangely, this is working so far. My surgeon said that he's never seen a case like mine before. I'm relieved, though, that maybe, just maybe, I can keep this implant because if my problem turns out to be another new, recurrent infection, I won't have any other options for constructing a breast, which makes me pretty sad. I just don't have enough fat to construct a breast.
I'm telling you all of this so that you weigh all options carefully and consider the risks. In the end, despite that I have suffered for the past few years with infections and surgeries, I am glad that I had mastectomies because I truly believe that I am avoiding one or more bouts of cancer by doing so. I miss my real boobs, but my health is more important.
I do think that women who are diagnosed with cancer should consider mastectomies because my one of my good friends had stage one breast cancer a couple of years ago, and she opted for a lumpectomy and radiation. A year later, the cancer came back. This time, though, the implants were impossible from the prior radiation, so she had to get the flap surgery. Unfortunately, she developed a severe infection and was hospitalized with intravenous antibiotics as well. I feel so bad for her.
I'm not trying to dissuade you but to fortify you. Make sure that you have a support network or partner who will be supportive, and be confident with your decision. You need to just take it all as it comes and stay strong—you can't become depressed about what happens—and keep in mind that it's psychologically tough.
Your breasts will be really swollen at first, and it will take time for them to normalize. You will also have to wear drains for a few weeks after each phase of the surgery.
There is also something called "red breast syndrome," which I developed in reaction to the acellular dermal matrix that was inserted below my skin to provide shape and substance. I wonder if that's why my breast continues to get red—because my skin hasn't absorbed and adopted the donor tissue yet. You may not need ADM, though, if you are heavier set or if you plan to place the implants under your muscles as opposed to over them.
If you're high-risk and have a family or genetic history, I would consider mastectomies, but if not, I would recommend that you get another medical opinion. Educate yourself and make a decision that you believe in and fully own.
I wish you the best of health and success. Good luck!
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"By my physician because too many cysts, and cell changing which they dont know if this could lead to cancer"
"yep, no diagnoses really. my mom did early becasue of cancer (kidney) a cousin breastcancer but haven"t done any testing"
Prophylactic mastectomies is a HUGE step to take for anyone who is high risk, and most people take a long time - years even - to decide if it's what they want to do. This is major surgery that will change and affect your body for the rest of your life. Reconstructed breasts, no matter how good the reconstruction is, are not real breasts. This is particularly true of implant reconstruction - it's not the same as having implants for cosmetic purposes, when the implant is placed below the soft, warm, natural breast tissue. When it's just the implant that makes up the breast and nothing else, it's a replacement for a breast but it's not a breast.
Some questions for you:
- How old are you?
- What screening have you had done? Mammogram? Ultrasound? MRI?
- Have you had a biopsy? I'm assuming yes, since you mention "cell changing".
- How long have you been having issues?
- Who is this physician who has recommended this to you? Your family doctor, your OBGYN, or some other doctor?
- Have you seen a breast specialist?
- Have you had your risk level assessed by a genetic counselor and/or a Medical Oncologist?
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Now, to the reasoning for having a prophylactic mastectomy.
First off, breast cysts are extremely common. About 60% of women have fibrocystic breasts, and with fibrocystic breasts comes a high likelihood of developing cysts. It can happen at any age, but the most likely years to develop cysts are between the ages of 35 and 50, the peri-menopause years, when our estrogen levels are fluctuating and doing weird things. Some women develop just one or a couple of cysts, and other women develop lots of them. I had quite a few. Cysts are almost always harmless, and often will eventually drain and disappear on their own. Large cysts can be aspirated. That's a 2 minute procedure where there doctor inserts a needle and syringe and pulls the fluid out of the cyst. I've had that done lots of time. Generally the development of cysts slows down or stops once a woman is into menopause. I still got cysts after menopause, but instead of a large number of large cysts, I'd just get the occasional small one. A recommendation to have prophylactic mastectomies because of breast cysts? That's practically unheard of.
"Cell changing" I assume to mean that you have had a biopsy and have some type of atypia. Atypical conditions (atypical ductal hyperplasia (ADH) or atypical lobular hyperplasia (ALH), or a few others) are high risk conditions. Generally the recommendation is monitoring and/or endocrine therapy (a daily pill that reduces estrogen levels). Some women who have atypical breast conditions, usually in combination with a strong family history of breast cancer, do choose to have prophylactic mastectomies. However for most women, the risk is not considered high enough to warrant such major live-changing surgery. Overall, approx. 25%-30% of women diagnosed with ADH or ALH will develop breast cancer within the next 25 years.
Family history of cancer... while a lot of other cancers can be related to the breast cancer, to my knowledge, there is no connection between kidney cancer and breast cancer. And breast cancer is one cousin, and no other family members, would not be considered significant or a risk factor for you. Breast cancer in first degree relatives (parents, siblings) may be significant. Having several second degree relatives (grandparents, aunts, uncles) with breast cancer may be significant. A cousin is a third degree relative. One cousin with a particular cancer, with no pattern of this cancer (or related cancers) in the family, is not significant. 50% of all men and 40% of all women will develop cancer over their lifetimes, so a couple of cases of cancer within an extended family is normal and to be expected. Most cancers are not genetic; only approx. 10% - 15% of breast cancers are thought to be genetic.
As the others have recommended, you need to see a breast specialist and you need to have a risk assessment to get more information about whether or not prophylactic mastectomies are advisable for you. If it is assessed that you are high risk, it may be suggested that you consider having prophylactic mastectomies - but even if you get this recommendation, it's your decision to make. Some high risk women opt for the surgery, others choose to monitor and/or take endocrine therapy to reduce their risk. And if you decide to consider having prophylactic mastectomies, it's your decision to make on whether you would like to go flat, opting for an aesthetic flat closure (a nice smooth chest), or if you would like to have reconstruction. If reconstruction interests you, implants are just one option. There are several different reconstruction techniques and you should talk to one or more plastic surgeons to understand your options and the differences in the techniques.
Having prophylactic mastectomies is not something to do without being absolutely certain that it's what you need and want, and without really knowing what you are getting into. From the information you've provided, it sounds as though you are many steps away from needing to know about types of implants, which is what you've asked about. Please take several steps back to understand first whether this is necessary and whether this is what you want to do. Most of us posting have had this surgery, and we know how that it's not something to go into without fully understanding what's ahead.
Best of luck to you! And please let us know what happens as you investigate the situation more.
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Yes, I will do this. I have scheduled appointments
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Lady warrior,
I am sorry you went through so much. I am concernd about after the surgery. ANd of course the surgery itself. I dont drink much coffee, so not sure if this is a factor. Were you instructed on what implants to get and pros and cons about them? The surgeon says without the surgery I would have a chance of about 20% to develop BC. I am hoping for a one time surgery with implants .
Tina
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Dear Beesie,
I guess I was not very accurate the diagnoses is LIN 2 basically a pre-precancerous abnormality benign but a cell change where it is not sure if it could develop into something. I am 49 years old so basically not looking tinto getting pregnant or so. I am concerend about surgery and the condition after surgery. Gentesting was never suggested. I have had ultrasound and mammography not a MRI so far. My doctor is a breast specialist her in Heidelberg, Germany (that is where I am located at at the moment). His suggestion was a schock to me but I have been worried for the past 10 years.
tina
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Tinasi, if I knew then what I know now, I could have removed both breasts and get over with fear, pain, etc. I wished my doctor would have suggested when by breast was dense and had many cysts.
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Ah, you are in Europe. Same breast conditions, different terminology.
You say you've had a mammogram and an ultrasound. And a biopsy, I presume, in order to actually get the diagnosis of LIN2? It's not something that can be diagnosed from imaging - only a look at the cells under a microscope can provide this diagnosis.
"LIN A condition in which abnormal cells are found in the lobules (glands that make milk) of the breast. This condition rarely becomes cancer. However, having LIN in one breast increases the risk of breast cancer in either breast. Types of LIN include atypical lobular hyperplasia and lobular carcinoma in situ (LCIS). Also called lobular intraepithelial neoplasia and lobular neoplasia." https://www.cancer.gov/publications/dictionaries/cancer-terms/def/lin
"WHO classification of lobular intraepithelial lesion (LIN): LIN1 = ALH; LIN2 = LCIS; LIN3 = LCIS variants (pleomorphic, florid)" https://app.statdx.com/document/lobular-carcinoma-in-situ-classic/f6e1c70c-9fea-49a7-bfc1-602fc1b54e37
With LIN2, what you have is what is called classic LCIS. This discussion board has an LCIS forum, which might be a good place for you to read and post any questions you have in order to connect with others who have LCIS. Some with LCIS do choose to have prophylactic bilateral mastectomies, but others do not.
Forum: LCIS https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/95
And from the information pages on this site, here is the page about Treatment for LCIS: https://www.breastcancer.org/symptoms/types/lcis/treatment
Lastly, here is a very detailed article about LCIS: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5841603/This is what this article has to say about treatment: "Historically, mastectomy was recommended for women with LCIS, based on the observation that there is an increased risk of subsequent invasive breast cancer. Haagensen et al pioneered the concept that "when it (LCIS) occurs alone without accompanying infiltrating carcinoma, it is a distinctive benign disease which predisposes to subsequent carcinoma" and advocated a more conservative approach of close follow-up as an alternative to mastectomy. Currently, there is a general agreement that LCIS represents both a risk factor and a non-obligate precursor of breast cancer. Observation alone is the preferred management option. Counseling for chemoprevention with tamoxifen or aromatase inhibitors is recommended.
The National Comprehensive Cancer Network (NCCN) guidelines recommend follow-up of patients with physical examinations every 6 to 12 months and annual diagnostic mammograms. In the 8th edition of the American Joint Committee on Cancer (AJCC) staging system, LCIS has been removed from the staging classification system and is no longer included in the pathologic tumor in situ (pTis) category. Results of randomized controlled clinical trials support the use of tamoxifen or aromatase inhibitors for risk reduction among women at increased risk of breast cancer. The National Surgical Adjuvant Breast and Bowel Project (NSABP) Breast Cancer Prevention Trial (P-1) demonstrated that subsequent risk of invasive breast cancer can be significantly reduced by tamoxifen."
You may decide that a bilateral mastectomy is the right course of action for you. But given your stated concerns about the surgery, I'd recommend that you do your own reading and research to make sure that this is what you want. It is not your only option with a diagnosis of LIN2 / LCIS, and it's your decision to make, not your doctor's. -
I had prophylactic mastectomies with direct to implant reconstruction (nipple sparing) in 2014 when I was 34. At the time pre pectoral reconstruction (implants over muscle) was uncommon so mine are under the muscle. Which has been fine for me despite being very physically active, but just be aware the over the muscle is more common now and preferred by many patients and surgeons if you are a candidate. However there are pros and cons to both.
Mine was due to hereditary risk but it was also after years of screening, testing, and deliberation. I actually did quite well with surgery but it WAS a big change. I have limited feeling - only on certain parts of surface and sometimes an unpleasant “twinge” in my right nipple after each surgery. You can see from my signature below I also had a surgery about a year later - that was to replace implants as I was not happy with the rippling - then last November - to take out the anatomical implants due to my own concerns about the rare complication of BIA-ACL (Breast Implant Associated Anaplastic Large Cell Lymphoma) as well as some other issues I had with their comfort - and another tomorrow for fat grafting. So even with immediate implant reconstruction or any reconstruction, there can be future revisions involved.
My recovery went well overall, personally I was off the prescription painkillers and taking long walks within a couple days but I followed all restrictions so it was a while before I got back to yoga, Wright lifting, driving, and all those other things I did before. I had no major complications though but as I said, that does not mean it’s not a significant surgery with risks both from surgery itself or after.
I do recommend not rushing into it. Get a second or even third opinion if you feel you need it - or even if you don’t just to get another brain on it -
Dear Divecat,
Thanks a lot for your reply. you mentioned that you"ve changed the anatomical implant due to the possibility of getting the lymphoma . How wa the change? Do you regret it? I"am assuming you are having round implants now?
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Dear Beesie,
Thanks you so much for all the information. I will def. read through it. I was so scared after the diagnosis and still not sure waht to look for. Th sis def very helpful for me. So you also had a mastectomy? I will get different opinions but I am afraid that is the only option..
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Dear Lillywashere,
That sounds like you had a similar diagnosis?
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tinasi, since you have LCIS but don't have breast cancer, if you decide to go ahead with prophylactic mastectomies, you have lots of time to do research on different reconstruction techniques and lots of time to talk to different plastic surgeons. Don't rush into it! The last thing you want are surprises, since most surprises that people have with breast reconstruction are not good ones - it's things they should have been prepared for or warned about in advance.
I had sub-pectoral implant reconstruction with an expander. I would have had a lumpectomy if I'd had a choice but with my diagnosis, that wasn't an option for me. Given that I was so reluctant to have the MX, going flat wasn't something I could face, but that is one option that many woman choose and it's probably the easiest (as in least risk of complications and re-surgeries) way to go. My objective was to look natural and unchanged in clothes. Since sexual sensation and most feeling is lost with reconstruction, I didn't want to affect other parts of my body just to have a more natural feeling and looking (when nude) fake 'breast'. So that's what led me to implant reconstruction. But there are other reconstruction methods, using your own tissue and nerves and body fat, that provide results that are very natural and more similar (from an appearance standpoint) to a real breast.
I found the following graphic on-line from a plastic surgery site, and have doctored it a bit to remove the parts specific to reconstruction after a lumpectomy and reconstruction issues after breast cancer treatment, which can sometimes complicate things versus having a prophylactic mastectomy:
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Dear Besseiiie,
Thanks again for all the information and graphic, I really appreciate your oppeness and sharing of personal information. I will reseach, also my surgery is set for August 7th, I still need to have more opinions and research time. This forum is great lots of information and help.
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Sorry did not see your post earlier!Yes, I have round implants now (Inspira SSM). In my very first surgery I actually got rounds too and switched to anatomicals after about a year due to rippling.
No regrets at all. I was a prophylactic patient so keep in mind my reasoning was to reduce risk in first place so I was not happy with the risk of BIA-ACL and how it seemed the link just got more clear everytime they updated. I never really disliked my anatomicals (though they were some cosmetic defects I grew to accept) but I find the rounds much more comfortable and squishy - not quite like natural breast tissue but closer! On *me* they actually look more natural but that is a personal thing. I did get fat grafting last week to address some of the rippling though as it was still more apparent with the rounds than with the anatomicals, though not as bad as first implants as he went a bit bigger and used a different implant this time
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Dear dovecot
thanks for your answer. I would prefer round over anatomical too. was your place over or under th muscle?
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Mine are under the muscle. Back in 2014 pre-pectoral placement was not very common, and at least in the hereditary cancer community it seemed the preference was to go under the muscle anyway unless there were significant concerns with the pectoral muscles in order to make it easier to detect changes in the breast (as any remaining breast tissue would be over the implant, not under it) and reduce the need for the intensive MRI screening many of us in that community were trying to get away from doing regularly by doing PBMX.
I have chosen not to go pre-pectoral in subsequent surgeries as I have not had any issues with them once my muscles relaxed (I am active, I do lift weights, do yoga, kayak, HIIT, run, etc...my push-ups have never quite recovered 100% but I can still do planks, etc). I have little to minimal distortion, they are relatively warm, etc. My PS also preferred for me to keep them under just as I have rather thin skin/tissue so it was better to reduce rippling. I did debate it briefly just as it seemed like it was the newer thing to do, but I just don't want to rock the boat as I have not had issues with them because of their placement, if that makes sense.
My sister on other hand did go pre-pectoral with her PBMX in December 2019. Her PS prefers to go that way, and she lifts very heavy weights so it made sense for her as well to minimize downtime and risk of losing her ability to lift heavy. From comparison, it seemed she had less initial "tightness" than I did as she did not have to deal with her muscles needing to relax, and her implants basically dropped and fluffed out a bit faster than my did, though with a similar frame to mine she does have more rippling; her PS is planning to put bigger implants in and do some fat grafting though to address some of those issues.
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Dear Diva cat
I was wondering myself why he would recommend the over the muscle surgery. I am very active sport, etc and i am hoping to be able to do this all afterwards. I would like to get the less invasive as possible with the least recovery time. Unfortunately I am not able to choose a plastic surgeion unless I pay out of pocket so it would be a breast specialist performing both the mastectomy and implant. You have the regular round implants?
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Late last year I underwent a prophylactic bilateral mastectomy, almost 6 years after my LCIS diagnosis which because of my very 'active' fibrocystic breasts led to additional biopsies almost every time I underwent my 6-month imaging. I couldn't tolerate even low dose tamoxifen although that is an excellent risk-reduction option for many women. For these reasons (plus a strong family history) I had a nipple-sparing, direct to implant procedure (round implants placed over the muscle, roughly equivalent to my prior size) with a highly skilled team. One complication I had with this procedure was a scare with nipple necrosis, but in the end everything healed beautifully and I am pleased with the outcome. I do have some rippling on one side for which I may have fat grafting down the line but is really not too bad.
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