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  • Kimmh012
    Kimmh012 Member Posts: 87
    edited June 2020

    thanks Coach Vicky, I had no problems getting Armidex name brand filled yesterday ... I die notice cash price was $2,634 for a 30 day supply, I paid $0.00 as I meet my high deductible already. Once I reach my deductible, everything is paid 100% on my Aetna Plan... Onc told me start on June 15th, since I stopped Exemestane on the 1st. My debilitating bone and joint pain continue, it has not lessened since stopping, on a side note, my hot flashes has increased ... I am not normal, LOL...

  • morrigan_2575
    morrigan_2575 Member Posts: 824
    edited June 2020

    "Over $2 million billed to insurance since diagnosis. The magnesium Rx is not covered under my insurance. "

    😲😮😲

  • Annie60
    Annie60 Member Posts: 328
    edited June 2020

    I would like to know what everyone, if needed, is taking for insomnia? I am handling letrozole pretty well, the trigger thumbs have resolved, hot flashes diminished, energy level is good except for lack of sleep. I just really need to sleep.

  • ElaineTherese
    ElaineTherese Member Posts: 3,328
    edited June 2020

    Annie,

    I'm taking Melatonin about a half an hour before I go to bed. It works OK. Other meds I've taken to address insomnia: Doxylamine, Ativan, Xanax, and Ambien. My doctors wouldn't prescribe Ativan, Xanax, or Ambien for long-time use. Doxylamine succinate is in some formulations of Unisom and in Nyquil. It worked for me in the past. Good luck!

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited June 2020

    annie - have you tried melatonin? My BS really encouraged it because many breast cancer patients have a lower than average level. There is some indication that it is helpful from both the sleep front and the cancer front. It is a good idea to titrate up from a lower dose up to 10mg (his recommendation) if you tolerate it, but it can cause some vivid dreams if you start too high. I can’t personally testify as I have not tried it. I do have sleep issues that pre-date breast cancer, but haven’t taken anything to help with it. I am a person who doesn’t require a lot of sleep to function decently, while also knowIng that sleep is important and restorative - it’s an area I need to work on, lol! Here is a link. It also goes without saying that sleep hygiene is important - dark cool room, no tv or phone, etc. - I also need to work on that..

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5503661/

  • wahoomama87
    wahoomama87 Member Posts: 194
    edited June 2020

    My naturopath has me on melatonin nightly and also magnesium. I'm sleeping well, so I'm assuming it's helping!


  • Redkitty815
    Redkitty815 Member Posts: 44
    edited June 2020

    Hi all,

    I am new to this Board and hoping to benefit from your wisdom if any of you have had a similar experience or may have seen any research, etc. I was diagnosed in November with a large, grade 3 HR+, Her2- (IHC equivocal, FISH-) tumor with at least one malignant node. I jumped right into neoadjuvant chemo (AC-T) plus a clinical trial immunotherapy drug plus placebo. I had a partial response to chemo before a double mastectomy and implant reconstruction two weeks ago. The pathology came back as expected-a smaller, but still there tumor and a single malignant node. Once again, the Her2 was equivocal and sent for a FISH test but my oncologist assured me that it would be very unusual for it to test positive after testing negative.

    You can probably guess the next part: the Her2 came back positive but low. I am slated to talk with my MO Wednesday about next steps, but her initial guidance was to do another (milder) course of chemo and begin a year of Herceptin and possibly Perjeta. I am ready to do whatever is most likely to get rid of this nasty beast, but wondering what questions or concerns I should raise with her? I still have my port and I was fortunate to have few side effects from the first go at chemo outside of hair loss and mild neuropathy which has resolved.

    Thank you all!!!

  • wahoomama87
    wahoomama87 Member Posts: 194
    edited June 2020

    I can't speak to AC+T. I just finished round 4 of 6 of TCHP (which is the standard protocol for Triple Positive) - Taxotere, Carboplatin, Herceptin, Perjeta. I'll finish in July and then have my surgery. And will continue Herceptin for sure for up to a year. They will decide about the Perjeta after surgery. I will say that I've had a great response so far - my tumor has shrunk by over 50% after 3 treatments and they can no longer see visible evidence in the one lymph node that tested positive in my biopsy.

  • Wheatscapes
    Wheatscapes Member Posts: 52
    edited June 2020

    I take Melatonin for sleep issues. The chewable are fantastic to keep by your bed in case you wake up in the middle of the night and need to take some - no need for water. Don't take too much as it can cause insomnia if it is taken at too high of doses

  • Jettie
    Jettie Member Posts: 81
    edited June 2020

    wahoomama87, that's awesome news :D hope the shrinkage continues!

    Annie60, the insomnia/2 hour sleeps are winning at the moment for me, have tried melatonin, benadrly, ambien, nothing is getting to the level i need to fall asleep well and stay asleep. I hope you find something that works. I will continue to see if i can find something that work for me :D

    Wheatscapes, I didn't know too much caused insomnia, maybe I should try less again and see if that helps, with extra if it works and I wake up after 2 hours..... guess i know what i am trying tonight.

  • Dup403
    Dup403 Member Posts: 16
    edited June 2020

    Hi there! I have not posted anything here but have been closely following since I started chemo in March. Happy to say I’m done!! 4 x TCH with Herceptin to follow for the remaining year.

    My last round was on June 2 and just wondering what everyone who has finished has their recovery been like. I know we are all snowflakes & no 2 are the same but curious as to what recovery was like. I am currently experiencing the thigh and upper arm muscle weakness which makes simple tasks feel like an Olympic sport... I also gained 20lbs. No idea how that happened but according to the scale & jeans it did. Think that a lot of that 20lbs is fluid retention as I seem to bloat up as the day goes on. I have been trying to be more mobile & active but these lead legs makes it hard. I have also just started on a b-complex supplement.

    Also any ideas on what to expect with Herceptin alone. Hoping it’s a lot more friendlier than chemo was!

    Thanks everyone so much and hoping everyone is doing as well as can be on this crazy ride

  • LaughingGull
    LaughingGull Member Posts: 560
    edited June 2020

    RedKittty,

    Your diagnosis is similar to mine, at least in terms of stage and presentation. My cancer was 3.5cm when diagnosed, with one confirmed lymph node, also grade 3, and I also had residual disease after surgery, including in the one node. Hope you are having a good recovery from the surgery. Some thoughts:

    • In the pathology after chemo and surgery, was your cancer still grade 3? Mine went down to grade 2.
    • In my case, because of the residual disease, they offered me radiation, even if I had a mastectomy, not lumpectomy. Radiation decreases the chances of a recurrence in the same area.
    • They did not offer me additional chemo, although I begged for it. I had Herceptin+Perjeta to complete one year and then a year of Neratinib, but all of this is for the Her2+ aspect, which was high in my case.
    • I would inquire about starting hormonal treatment, have you discussed that with your doctor yet? I got an oophorectomy and I am now in aromatase inhibitors, this was an aggressive approach to attack the hormonal nature of my cancer. I was 48 at the time, already in perimenopause and I was glad to get my ovaries removed for other reasons too (mild endometriosis and regular ovary pain, had had an episode of uterine lining thickening prior to cancer and I didnt want to take Tamoxifen)

    LaughingGull

  • morrigan_2575
    morrigan_2575 Member Posts: 824
    edited June 2020

    @Dup403 - I did 6 rounds of TCHP and 1 round (so far) of HP. I'm 1 month post chemo.

    Most of my (presumably) Chemo related issues have cleared up including, nose bleeds, fatigue and minor neuropathy in the feet. My blood counts this week were almost back to normal.

    The only issues I still have are, some muscle soreness in my thighs (feel like I've done 1000 squats) the occasional odd taste (it's 80% back) and, a minor version of that tongue/mouth issue (I had all Chemo) which I hope is just residual and, will be gone for good by my next HP dose.

    I don't know if it's because I didn't get steroids (other than treatment day) but, i ended up losing 21 lbs during Chemo and gained 5 of it back in the last month 😌.

    I go for my BMX tomorrow, hoping I get the all clear on pathology and sentinel nodes but, I'm preparing for bad news to be safe (easier not to get my hopes up).

  • wahoomama87
    wahoomama87 Member Posts: 194
    edited June 2020

    Morrigan_2575 -

    Thanks for sharing about the post chemo. I have 2 more rounds to go of TCHP and then will do Herceptin (and possibly Perjeta) for a year. I'm hoping the chemo side effects are gone after I'm done with the TC part. Good luck tomorrow! I will probably have my BMX in August. So far, they see the tumor shrinking and NED visually in the lymph nodes - which is really good because there was definitely a positive one in the pre-chemo biopsy. So I'm praying also for good pathology in August. Will you have radiation, do you know? Reconstruction?


  • Dup403
    Dup403 Member Posts: 16
    edited June 2020

    Morrigan 2575 1000 squats sounds about right. I did take steroids, day before, day of and day after treatment which I think is where this weight has come from. I can work on losing the weight but I need my legs to do this and that’s my biggest issue right now.

    I hope everything goes well for you tomorrow and am sending good thoughts your way

  • morrigan_2575
    morrigan_2575 Member Posts: 824
    edited June 2020

    @ Wahoomama - I am doing reconstruction. I will have TEs put in tomorrow and then I'll go to implants.

    I don't know about Radiation. So far there's been no indication of lymph node involvement. So unless we get a surprise tomorrow I shouldn't need radiation but, I'm prepared if it happens.

    @Dup403 - Thanks! good Luck



  • ByHisGraceTwice
    ByHisGraceTwice Member Posts: 225
    edited June 2020

    Morrigan — will be in your pocket tomorrow with prayers all goes uneventfully with a speedy recovery. I’m doing Taxol with Herceptin but did have one solo H so I could distinguish which SEs Came from which med.

    Herceptin— the real thing, not a biosimiliar, very little SE. indigestion not a problem when prescribed one daily omeprazole DR 40 mg capsule dry/runny nose. Using a nasal saline spray and saline gel/rose infused vaseline and Claritin. First echo after initial Herceptin infusion all heart function ok; will retest in a couple weeks.

    Biosimiliar Kanjinti has many significant SEs — only had one infusion of it then switched to the real Herceptin.

    Prayers for tomorrow’s surgery.

    🌈

    j

  • Smichaels11
    Smichaels11 Member Posts: 132
    edited June 2020

    Hi all, I am hoping for some clarity. I have triple + and would like your insight into what this means, exactly. My oncologist said its aggressive but with Herceptin and Perjeta it's somewhat of a nonissue now. What does that mean? I thought triple - was the "bad" one, but I'm starting to think differently. Aside from aggressive, is there a higher reoccurrence rate? Long term implications?

  • morrigan_2575
    morrigan_2575 Member Posts: 824
    edited June 2020

    Triple Negative is the very aggressive, very bad one. Triple Positive is more aggressive than HR+ (ER/PR+) cancer, it also has a tendency to spread which is why you almost always (always?) need Chemo. However, it's not as aggressive as TNBC.

    HP does level the playing field bringing survival rates to just slightly lower than HR+ BC. There's also other targeted drugs available for HER2+ (including Triple+) BC (TDM-1/Kadcyla and Nerlynx) both are approved for early stage BC.

    If HER2+ comes back it's most likely to dominos in 2 years and, if it does, it's more likely to be metastatic. However, Herceptin, Perjeta, Kadcyla and Nerlynx all lower the recurrence risks


  • Smichaels11
    Smichaels11 Member Posts: 132
    edited June 2020

    Thank you! That was more info than I could squeeze out of my oncologist. I believe sometimes they try to stay away from the negatives, but I'd rather know what I'm up against. Blech this is all the pits.

  • morrigan_2575
    morrigan_2575 Member Posts: 824
    edited June 2020

    Do your own research and, be your own advocate. I like my MO but, I would go in with a notebook of questions every week. Stuff I read on the Internet, stuff I found here are BCO, stuff mentioned by other cancer patients.

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited June 2020

    morrigan - I’m 10 years out and I still have a list for every MO appointment, lol!

  • Ingerp
    Ingerp Member Posts: 2,624
    edited June 2020

    Dup403--just my $0.02 on Herceptin only. Yes, it's not a chemo drug, so not many SEs but I can't say none. I had really upped my protein intake through chemo and then cut back when I was finished. I started to notice that I felt kind of funny coming out of Herceptin--almost a little drunk. I started making a point to eat meat the two nights before treatment and it helped a lot. And yeah--a runny nose for that whole year, and for a few months afterwards, but that's not a big deal. Hang in there. Schedule something super fun for yourself when you're finally finished.

  • morrigan_2575
    morrigan_2575 Member Posts: 824
    edited June 2020

    Got my Surgical Pathology back T1N1mi. Neoadjuvant got 90% of the cancer but some still remained. They also found Micrometastases in 1/3 Sentinel nodes. Not sure where I go from here, waiting on MO to follow up. I'm guessing I'll get switched to Kadcyla and will need radiation.

  • ElaineTherese
    ElaineTherese Member Posts: 3,328
    edited June 2020

    morrigan,

    I'm so glad to hear that 90% of your cancer was gone! It's good to know that chemo did *something.* You probably have already checked the Kadcyla thread; I'm sure that's a good source of info about residual disease.

  • Bliss58
    Bliss58 Member Posts: 1,154
    edited June 2020

    Hi all. Just popping in to see if anyone has heard from Andi67?

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited June 2020

    bliss - hi! I don't recall seeing Andi67 post on this thread, at least not recently - when I checked her profile it looks like she is PR-, but did see that she posts on the stage IV Herceptin/Perjeta thread and last posted late April. Maybe someone over there has had PM contact with her?

  • Bliss58
    Bliss58 Member Posts: 1,154
    edited June 2020

    Hi SpecialK. You're right, she's not triple+ as I thought and I was thinking of H&P thread. Thanks for your help and I'll go there!

  • Annie60
    Annie60 Member Posts: 328
    edited June 2020

    Has anyone had experience with high numbers in a tumor marker blood test?Mine was high and now scans are being ordered. I am very scared.

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited June 2020

    annie - define what you mean by high? Have you always been firmly in the range before? Are you experiencing any joint pain from anti-hormonals Most oncologists who use tumor markers look for trending results - climbing higher numbers over time as opposed to a single high result - unless the single result is markedly higher And uncharacteristic for the patient. That said, many oncologists don’t use tumor markers for early stage patients for two reasons - there are non-cancer reasons that may affect marker numbers and cause a false positive trend Or result, and for some who truly have recurrence its progression the test shows no change, so is an unreliable indicator. By the time I finished chemo my CA27/29 was double the high end of the range when it had been in the range prior to starting, and at diagnosis. I re-tested at about 30 days intervals and the number dropped, but it took several months to return inside the range. It has gone to the high end of the range several times, but I am someone that shows increases when inflammation is present - that was the issue for me right as chemo finished - and is a common situation.

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