Insurance woes (if this isn't allowed please delete)

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In the continuing irritation that is this day I wrote a post and it disappeared. So I will try to make it shorter. We met the out of pocket max for the year. The insurance payments reflected this until yesterday. Now I owe on all my appointments last week and they claim we still haven't reached the out of pocket max. When my husband called they claimed they reprocessed claims and as a result we haven't met it. They claim they will send him the breakdown of all reprocessed claims.......on the portal there are NO changes at all to any claims.

What is to stop them from continuing to do this so that we never quite reach the out of pocket max (which we HAVE met, in fact I am positive we have paid above that amount)? I admit, I just want to stop treatment and not deal with this anymore. I am supposed to start radiation next week but just want to cancel it, cancel all my other appointments this year, and just hope it doesn't come back. I feel so defeated. We are at the insurance co. mercy. They can do whatever they want to and we just have to take it. I am so upset.

Also....ever since i had radiation mapping I have been just so sad. I think for the first time I truly felt like a cancer patient. I have mentioned to my husband I am struggling but he doesn't seem to get it. He is a great guy, don't get me wrong. But if he ever mentions my diagnosis it is always from his point of view or he puts words in my mouth about how I feel about it. I finally told him this but it didn't change anything and I just keep my feelings to myself. So I feel alone and tired and just don't want to deal with it anymore. Now the insurance issues.........I just want to cancel everything and pretend this never happened. No one listens to me anyway.

Truly this is all just a vent. I needed a safe space to get it out.

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  • BlueGirlRedState
    BlueGirlRedState Member Posts: 1,031
    edited June 2020

    cm2020 - Insurance is so confusing. What is covered/what is not/deductables/co-pays. The claims that go back and forth between insurance and the provider, trying to track what the insurance shows with what is on the bill. One "visit" might result in several bills - different specialists, the facility , a lab, etc. Usually I can only match them with the date of service. Last year I was so stressed with a new diagnosis, and so confused with all the billing, I used the "S" bomb with the insurance, and was about to drop the "F" bomb when I stopped myself, knowing that the person I was talking to had limited ability to even answer questions. I do my best to match bills with insurance claims, call the insurance with questions, and sometimes the provider. With a 3rd incident of BC, my DR ordered a genetic panel specific to BC, because she felt each occurence was a new one and not a recurrence. After 7 months, insurance denied the claim, saying the test was not relevant to diagnosis or treatment. The lab doing the test has done the initial appeal, and feels certain that insurance will cover most of the $1500 charge. At times my partner doesn't seem to get it either, the stress from just having BC, not knowing if treatments are helping, and the SEs. He tends to be quite healthy and energetic, and used to go jogging first thing in AM. He finally sort of got it with insurance, when I showed him one of the confusing ones.

  • Spookiesmom
    Spookiesmom Member Posts: 9,568
    edited June 2020

    Go higher on the chain. Supervisors supervisor. Your state insurance office. Yeah it’s a PITA you don’t need right now, but worth it. If you have copies of previous paid claims, that’s a good start.

  • gb2115
    gb2115 Member Posts: 1,894
    edited June 2020

    Were the claims reprocessed on behalf of the providers, or the insurance company?

  • cm2020
    cm2020 Member Posts: 615
    edited June 2020

    gb2115. That is unclear. The insurance co says the providers and the one provider I have asked says the insurance co. My husband got nowhere this morning despite supposedly talking to a supervisor. I am sick over all of this and scared. I guess I am going to cancel radiation.


    That you ladies for the support. I feel like I am sealing my death warrant by canceling radiation but I can't take the uncertainty with the insurance and really have no one to help me figure any of this out. I have never felt more alone.


  • gb2115
    gb2115 Member Posts: 1,894
    edited June 2020

    Yikes! Even if you, hypothetically, didn't meet your OOP maximum yet, what would your out of pocket for radiation be? I think I owed 20% of everything. If you are close enough to your OOP that claims being adjusted here and there change things, maybe it wouldn't end up being that much money?

    A couple of suggestions---1) Have you spoken to your radiation oncologist about all of this? They need to know that you're concerned about cost of therapy. They may have a social worker that can help.

    2) Does the facility have some sort of "patient advocate?" I had an issue where a missed bill went to collections (I thought I had paid it but clearly didn't), and the patient advocate sorted it out.

    Just some ideas. I hate the thought of you canceling necessary treatment because of insurance issues. If the insurance and provider are both blaming each other, makes me wonder if it's some sort of clerical mistake.

  • ShetlandPony
    ShetlandPony Member Posts: 4,924
    edited June 2020

    Cm, this is so unfair. You are already so tired, I’m sure. There must be someone with experience who can help you. Are you at a hospital or cancer center? They should have a social worker. Have your tried a nurse navigator either there or through your insurance company? (It is in the company’s best interest that you complete treatment and don’t recur.) The insurance company cannot do whatever they want — there is always your state’s insurance commissioner. Get your husband to follow up getting all this in writing. Tell your doctor what is going on; they may have some ideas of what to do. I have found that one of the hardships of cancer is that I must spend a certain amount of my time on the phone straightening out insurance issues and generally making sure people do their jobs right. It comes with the territory.

  • Gamb
    Gamb Member Posts: 599
    edited June 2020

    cm2020, check all copies of explanation of benefits(eob) look at insurance policy for out of pocket and deductibles, if you have met these, make copies and send to insurance company again and again. Don't take someone else's stupidity out on yourself, keep going with your treatments, you are priceless, remember that always

    Somewhere on your eobs would say deductibles have been met


  • Gamb
    Gamb Member Posts: 599
    edited June 2020

    cm2020, most insurance companies have a limited amount of time for doctors or providers to send in a claim if the Drs or providers dont meet that dead line insurance eob will say patient not responsible or not payable because of untimely filing. Dont pay out of pocket for what you are not responsible for, it's up to providers to bill insurance, if you find these make sure to highlight and provide them to the providers of proof your not responsible

  • ctmbsikia
    ctmbsikia Member Posts: 1,095
    edited June 2020

    If it helps you at all, I did not deal with any insurance claims until I was done with my radiation. For me, the radiation phase was when the whole I just got a cancer diagnosis actually hit me. Perhaps that's why you are feeling this way right now too. Put the insurance aside. I do not let them dictate my healthcare. The doctors don't either. They will still treat you. Go get your radiation done and deal with later. I hope you will feel a lot better once you get out of the active treatment. That will also give insurance company time to do whatever it is they're doing. Match up the EOBs (explanation of benefits) to the bills later. I had several claims go out to collections, but I eventually got to a good place and caught up.

  • cm2020
    cm2020 Member Posts: 615
    edited June 2020

    ctmbsikia........I think you have nailed it......yes, the cancer diagnosis has finally hit me and I am angry and sad and scared to death. I think until now, to a degree, I have been able to put the whole cancer part in a box and lock it up deep inside me. But something changed/clicked/or crawled out of that box during the mapping last week.

    Thank you all for your ideas and support. We have definitely met the out of pocket maximum and they acknowledged it until the dr claims last week, now they have hit us with more charges and claim we still haven't met it. We have not only met it, but actually paid more than we should have. The insurance is screwing up and it is coming at a cost to us. My husband is continuing to work on it and I am definitely making notes of the ideas you guys have given me in the event he doesn't get anywhere. I do know he has already figured out how to file a complaint with the insurance commissioner. You guys gave some great ideas to help get this resolved.

    At my husband's insistence, I will follow through with radiation as planned.

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited June 2020

    So glad you're going ahead with radiation. Hope things go well. BTW - don't write any more checks later when you have the leisure to straighten them out.

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