High estradiol with tamoxifen?

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PurpleCat
PurpleCat Member Posts: 358

I had blood tests yesterday to check whether I am in menopause. I'm not, but the estradiol test came back super high. A little bit of Googling told me that this can be a result of tamoxifen, but the PA just called and is quite concerned. They're sending me for repeat testing in case the first one was inaccurate, and also for an ovarian ultrasound, and now I am utterly freaking out. Has anyone experienced this?

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  • gb2115
    gb2115 Member Posts: 1,894
    edited January 2020

    I'm pretty sure that's normal. Tamoxifen does not lower estrogen, it blocks estrogen at the receptors. I'm also pretty sure tamoxifen was originally intended as a fertility drug until they realized it causes birth defects. There are studies showing that tamoxifen has estrogenic effects on other tissues because of this. Sorry they are panicking about this!

  • MelissaDallas
    MelissaDallas Member Posts: 7,268
    edited January 2020

    Makes sense to me that circulating estrogen would be high if it is blocked from attaching to the receptors and stays circulating.

  • ShetlandPony
    ShetlandPony Member Posts: 4,924
    edited January 2020

    Tamoxifen is hypoestrogenic (low estrogen) in the breast, but hyper-estrogenic in the uterus and ovaries. So in premenopausal women, it can stimulate the ovaries to produce more estrogen. This can cause benign but sometimes painful cysts on the ovaries. Maybe that is why they have ordered an ultrasound? This effect is also why tamoxifen can stop one’s menstrual periods. I think the body thinks it is pregnant.

  • PurpleCat
    PurpleCat Member Posts: 358
    edited January 2020

    Thanks. The re-test came back and the number dropped a bit, down into the 800s from over 1000, but still wildly high. I'm a teeny bit reassured to think at least it didn't go up, but maybe that's grasping at straws.

  • ShetlandPony
    ShetlandPony Member Posts: 4,924
    edited January 2020

    You could consider adding ovarian suppression with Lupron.

    The ultrasound might show multiple follicles, indicating the ovaries are overstimulated.

  • PurpleCat
    PurpleCat Member Posts: 358
    edited January 2020

    It showed a cystic mass on one ovary. The doctor reassured me that the description doesn't sound malignant, but because they couldn't conclusively say it wasn't I have to get more imaging. I can deal with anything, even the worst-timed surgery of my life if it comes to that, as long as it's not cancer.

  • ShetlandPony
    ShetlandPony Member Posts: 4,924
    edited January 2020

    Ovarian Cyst Formation in Patients Using Tamoxifen for Breast Cancer

    Jale Metindir, Sabahattin Aslan, Gülay BilirJapanese Journal of Clinical Oncology, Volume 35, Issue 10, October 2005, Pages 607–611, https://doi.org/10.1093/jjco/hyi165Published:

    01 October 2005

    Abstract

    Objective: The purpose of this study was to evaluate patient-related parameters that determine ovarian cyst formation in women using tamoxifen for breast cancer.

    Methods: A retrospective review of tamoxifen-treated women with breast cancer who were followed up in the outpatient clinic at Ankara Oncology Hospital between January 2002 and December 2004 was performed. Tamoxifen doses and duration, post-treatment menstrual function, adjuvant therapy, ultrasonographic and hormonal [follicle-stimulating hormone and serum estradiol (E2)] data, details of gynecologic surgical procedure and histopathology were recorded.

    Results: Twenty-nine of 150 tamoxifen-treated patients (19.3%) had ovarian cysts. Cysts were detected in 28 of 57 pre-menopausal women (49.1%) and 1 of 93 post-menopausal women (1.1%). Patients with ovarian cysts had higher serum E2 levels compared with patients without cysts (24 versus 345 pg/ml; P < 0.001). Patients with ovarian cysts had <1 year amenorrhoea duration (P < 0.001) compared with the patients without cysts. Adjuvant standard chemotherapy did not have relationship between the development of ovarian cysts. Multivariant analysis showed that cyst development is related to high E2 levels (P < 0.05).

    Conclusions: Patients still having a menstrual cycle during tamoxifen had high risk (58.33%) of developing ovarian cysts. We have described an association between pre-menopausal patients using tamoxifen with high E2 level and ovarian cyst enlargement.

  • ShetlandPony
    ShetlandPony Member Posts: 4,924
    edited January 2020

    P.S. My E2 was also very high when I was on tamoxifen premenopausal.

  • PurpleCat
    PurpleCat Member Posts: 358
    edited February 2020

    Thank you, ShetlandPony. I appreciate your research and shared experience!

  • PurpleCat
    PurpleCat Member Posts: 358
    edited February 2020

    My CAT scan is tomorrow, and I am still waiting for the results of two more blood numbers to come back. I thought those numbers might finally be in my patient portal this morning, but they're not, and the waiting is absolutely dragging me down. It feels like the waiting for the original breast cancer diagnosis in terms of fear, only worse, because at least that time it all begin with a mammogram whose purpose was to screen for cancer. I was at least in that mindset of "we are here to look for cancer." This just begin with a routine visit to the gynecology clinic to consult on birth control issues. I feel so blindsided and terrified, and knowing that it could take weeks before I really have answers is making it unbearable.

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