TORADOL (ketorolac) linked to Recurrence Prevention

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  • solfeo
    solfeo Member Posts: 838
    edited June 2018

    I don't think I could stand to dig through all of the old posts either, but the main concern any surgeon has is the risk of bleeding. I just backed up everything I said with the research, and didn't take no for an answer. I told her we were talking to the researchers in here to bolster my case. In the end she gave in, but said she would note her concerns in my chart and that she was doing it at my insistence. They have to protect themselves when you ask them to do something against their judgment. It helped a lot that the anesthesiologist didn't have a problem with it, and you can usually schedule a meeting with them pre-surgery to discuss the research too, if they do have any concerns. I forget exactly what he said, but it was something like a single dose in surgery wouldn't have time to cause excess bleeding.

    There are people with certain pre-existing risk factors for bleeding that could be asking for trouble if they did receive Toradol, but your surgeon would most likely firmly refuse to allow it if that is the case. If they have a good reason, trust them.

    We did have one person in the thread at that time who had some bleeding issues (nothing life threatening). No one could say the Toradol caused it, but you have to accept that the risk is there, and if you are asking the surgeon to cut into you regardless of the risk, you can't try to blame them for any complications that might arise as a result. That is what they are afraid of, and that would be exactly the way to assure that they will never give anyone Toradol in surgery again. Say the words, "I am willing to take the risk," and stand by them if something does go wrong.

    I also had propofol for anesthesia with pectoral block vs.opioid anesthetics. There is some research to suggest those measures might reduce risk of recurrence as well. Better safe than sorry is what I always say! So far, following my gut in all matters related to BC has paid off very well.

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  • solfeo
    solfeo Member Posts: 838
    edited June 2018

    I don't know if she comes here or not, but besides giving credit to my gut feeling, I want to give a shout out to Ms. ShetlandPony for being the one to direct me to this thread in the first place. She was a very reliable source of information and support when I first got here, and I decided anything she thought might help was good enough for me. Thanks SP! Turns out you may have played a part in reducing my risk of recurrence.

    Sassy - I do a ketogenic version of paleo and that is how I lost all the weight. I follow the principles but eat fewer carbs. PM me the link when the thread is up and I will check it out. Agree gut microbiome is much more important than is widely accepted, and cultivating the little buggers is a big part of my program.

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  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited May 2018

    Solfeo, your post two boxes ago is a perfect boost for here. :)

    I will post you. Egads just mentioned that she wanted to include Keto and a few others.

    Nice that you are doing so well :)

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  • solfeo
    solfeo Member Posts: 838
    edited June 2018

    I will edit my post above to include that there are people with certain pre-existing risk factors that shouldn't get the Toradol. Like low platelets. If that is your problem you can't be badgering your poor surgeon for wanting to keep you from bleeding to death. My platets are low now from tamoxifen so I probably couldn't get it. I wonder if they could still take the pills a day or so later after some amount of healing has occurred, and still benefit to some degree?

    Another thing I am wondering is if we should do this with every surgery we have for life? Cancer-related or not. I don't remember if it was posted here or elsewhere, but the theory is that it is the biochemical result of the healing process that provides the stray cancer cells with what they need to grow and thrive, and spread. With ER+ cancer I think we are learning that many of us are never really free of these cells. We don't want to do anything to wake the little beasties up. Now or 20 years from now.

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  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited May 2018

    Solfeo yes, it should be done with each surgery. That is until new research says otherwise. There is a post on the composite thread from Technoshift. I will cut and paste it back here.

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  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited May 2018

    It will take a few minutes to transfer things

    .https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/26/topics...

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    Jun 29, 2017 11:25PM - edited Jul 1, 2017 07:51PM by TectonicShift

    I think this topic is very important.

    I had to have my port replaced recently. I had gotten my measurable CTCs down to zero before the surgery (down from a pretty high number). I had the surgery and I had gas anesthesia and I did not ask for Torodol beforehand.

    Immediately after the surgery, my CTCs shot back up to a positive double digit number - forget what exactly but enough to make me very nervous after six months of zero CTCs. My doctor said he wasn't surprised - that surgery and infection and wounds cause the release of nasty hormones that send cells into hyperdrive and the proliferation of new CTCs didn't surprise him. We worked hard to get the CTCs back down to zero after that surgery and did so successfully.

    About four months later I had to have the new port removed. For this second surgery I asked for a shot of Torodol before the surgeon did anything at all. Also there was no anesthesia, just topical Lidocaine. I was awake during the procedure. But I was "cut" to get the hardware out of me. It was definitely a surgery, albeit small. This time, after the surgery, my CTCs did not go up. The first test after the port removal the CTCs were still zero.

    I believe that possibly the lack of opioid anesthesia and the Torodol shot may have made a difference. Maybe not, maybe a coincidence. But I'm glad I had the Torodol shot before the second surgery. I will try to never have surgery of any kind again without it.



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  • PreludeSing
    PreludeSing Member Posts: 102
    edited June 2018

    This topic intrigues me. Tectonic Shift, how do 'work hard' to get your CTC's down to zero? What do you do? Thanks for any advice you are able to offer....:)

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  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited July 2018

    solfeo why

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  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited July 2018

    solfeo a disagreement on Another thread caused you to delete all your thoughts here. Sad because you thoughts here were on the moment and time. GREAT LOSS.

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  • Mominator
    Mominator Member Posts: 1,575
    edited January 2020

    TORADOL (ketorolac) linked to Recurrence Prevention

    bumping this for another user

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  • Peregrinelady
    Peregrinelady Member Posts: 1,019
    edited January 2020
    Does anyone know why sas-schatzi no longer posts?
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