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  • LaughingGull
    LaughingGull Member Posts: 560
    edited December 2019

    rljes: that sounds very, very tough. I had unilateral, not bilateral, mastectomy, so that probably made a big difference: I could roll to my non-surgery side and move around. I remember thinking at the time that bilateral mastectomy would be so much harder, because how can you even get up from bed? They should have sent you help sooner. Of course you couldn't change your bandages.

    I ended up having a second mastectomy a few months later, which was easier because it was in the non-cancer side, therefore no axillary surgery.

    It's amazing how differently different people experience pain. For me, with all my breast-cancer-related surgeries (port placement, UMX+ALND, second UMX, implants) I only needed painkillers the day of the surgery, and the next day went home with Tylenol and was fine.


  • cyathea
    cyathea Member Posts: 338
    edited December 2019

    Hi rimessy, the main reason that I saw to do neoadjuvent chemo was so that they could test whether the chemo was working on my tumors. For example, after 2 treatments of TCHP, I had an ultrasound that showed that the drugs were working. If they were not working, then the MO could have the option to try a different drug combination that was more effective. Once you take out the tumor, there is nothing to test unless you get more tumors. Since each individual could react better or worse on a drug regimen, I found this approach comforting. Since my MO and I were on the same page, things were easier for me. I’m sorry you’ve had some challenges with your treatment team. I hope things get better. Best wishes for a successful surgery next week

  • MACTAZ
    MACTAZ Member Posts: 597
    edited December 2019

    hey all, new study out about mushrooms and breast cancer, different types help both estrogen + and triple negative. here are two are rifles, the second talks about the different mushroom benefits


    https://www.webmd.com/breast-cancer/news/19991210/mushrooms-may-play-role-in-breast-cancer-prevention-treatment

    https://foodforbreastcancer.com/foods/mushrooms

  • Jkeet
    Jkeet Member Posts: 16
    edited December 2019

    Has anyone taken a break from tamoxifen to have a baby? I’m 35 and was planning on having another baby. My MO says it possible, but I’m worried about the hormone changes during pregnancy contributing to recurrance.

  • ElaineTherese
    ElaineTherese Member Posts: 3,328
    edited December 2019

    What % were you re: ER+? My cancer tested 95%. Nevertheless, my oncologist says that my cancer was driven more by the overexpression of HER2. What does your oncologist think? There are threads on BCO about women coming off Tamoxifen to have a baby, and they report some successes in that area. You might want to use the Search function to find them. Good luck!

  • Gudrun
    Gudrun Member Posts: 140
    edited December 2019

    Dear Jkeet, my daughter is one of them.

    You might just follow the threads about becoming pregnant that I was taking part in.

    I tried but was not able to link these threads here.

    Best wishes to you, G

  • Jkeet
    Jkeet Member Posts: 16
    edited December 2019

    Elaine, I’m 90% ER, 90% PR and 3+ HER2. Oncologist thinks I can try, but they don’t really know.

  • rlmessy
    rlmessy Member Posts: 137
    edited December 2019

    Jkeet...I am totally not an expert but I have been researching natural ways to counteract the estrogen dominance, I am at 100%. I am looking at food sources rather than supplements as my first line of defense.

    Are you in an area or position you could try to find a nutritionist that could work with you through the pregnancy? It might not be enough but it might be something you could safely do throughout a pregnancy.

    Thing is once you start the pregnancy I would assume most treatment and diagnostics would be put on hold unless something dramatic happened. So, you would not know what was working and what was not I would assume.

    I applaud you for wanting to grow your family!! Children are a joy!!

  • willa216
    willa216 Member Posts: 165
    edited December 2019

    Hi Beauties:

    I don't come here much any more because I had to take a break from all things cancer. However I keep you all close to my heart. 

    I'm writing  because I have been waiting more than a week for MRI results (regular screening). Initially the tech didn't capture all the correct images so I had to go back a few days later and then when I did go back one of the images was left up on the screen that showed a big white spot. This was Thursday. So my fear is unmanageable. I decided that I somehow became a radiologist over the weekend and there is no other possibility besides cancer. I have heterogenously dense breasts but for some reason (advice of breast surgeons and oncologist and my own desire at the time) I only got a single mastectomy.  Now I am kicking myself.  I am imagining another round of mastectomy and chemo and just awfulness. And the pain of this for my husband. I have tried deep breathing, distraction, meditation, doing anything I love as a way to keep myself centered. But I am frozen in terror. 

    My onc and surgeon are aware I am waiting for results.  My husband and family do not get my inability to function and my friends have absolutely no clue and don't even want to know details. I feel really alone and (unfairly) angry at everyone in my life. 

    Thanks for letting me share.   

    I wish you all love and peace with decisions that are being made...


    S

     



  • Tess111
    Tess111 Member Posts: 58
    edited December 2019

    Oh, Willa, I am so sorry that you are going through this. I can definitely relate to family not understanding how this can make your life come to a screeching halt, while you wait. I wish I could offer you some comforting words of wisdom, but all I've got is a virtual hug, and my heartfelt sympathy that you have to go through this unnecessary delay. Take care and let us know when you get your results. You are not alone. Gentle hugs.

  • Taco1946
    Taco1946 Member Posts: 645
    edited December 2019

    Thinking of you, Willa. Looking back, I absolutely know that the waiting was the worse.







  • MACTAZ
    MACTAZ Member Posts: 597
    edited December 2019

    Willa, thinking of you and understand how you feel. Keep us updated....hugs.

  • Ingerp
    Ingerp Member Posts: 2,624
    edited December 2019

    Call them in the morning. Of course the wait is driving you nuts. Sometimes a little nudge can help.

  • momwriter
    momwriter Member Posts: 310
    edited December 2019

    Willa, of course the waiting is making you unable to think and function normally. Scanxiety really brings us to all the worst places. Like you, I had a UMX and regret not having a BMX-.Each scan (always with a callback) is torture and honestly makes me delay going- which is bad. Big Hugs to you!

  • willa216
    willa216 Member Posts: 165
    edited December 2019

    Tess, Taco, MACTAZ, Ingerp and momwriter, thank you so much.  Your deep understanding and kind words feel like a safety net.  Hugs to all of you.

     

  • LaughingGull
    LaughingGull Member Posts: 560
    edited December 2019

    momwriter and willa: I also had a UMX, and six months down the road, I had the second, prophylactic mastectomy.

    At the time of the initial surgery I was not sure, but later I realized I did not want to have that remaining breast. 20+ years of imaging of all sorts (ultrasound, mammogram, MRI) plus thorough exploration proved completely useless to detect my cancer early, and I did not want one more of those exams or tests. Never regretted it, not even for one second. Just saying -maybe you can still get the second mastectomy, and be done with mammograms and MRIs.

  • rozem
    rozem Member Posts: 1,375
    edited December 2019

    hi lovely ladies

    haven't been on this thread in quite some time but I do try to read this thread when I can...I see some of my old posse here, Hi SpecialK!!

    for those asking about hormone therapy - the article posted here about her2 and hormone positive BC and recurrence after 5 years is the one my MO (I think) referring too. I have been on Tamox for almost 8 years and was just given the blessing to stop at my last appointment. The studies are showing 7-8 years as good as 10, my MO also referenced that for her2 positive most recurrences are in the first 5 years

    I don't really understand the impact of hormone positivity on our tumor biology vs her 2 neg as it relates to the risk of late recurrences -if someone could explain further that would be much appreciated!


  • willa216
    willa216 Member Posts: 165
    edited December 2019

    LaughingGull and momwriter:  After the way I have felt for the past 10 days I know that if I make it through this round of MRIs without cancer I am going to have to get a mastectomy on my good side.  The fear I feel now is so much worse than what I felt at initial diagnosis. I think with the initial diagnosis there was a bit of the thought that "well, I can reconstruct" and "chemo will be horrible but then I'll be okay".  Despite the fact that I thought I was fairly educated about BC I didn't understand the recurrence rates, the different biologies and the fact that lots of times things don't work out. The percentages of death/recurrence of early stage are so much higher than I ever knew.  And reconstruction can be fraught with issues. Anyway, LaughingGull, thanks for your response and I am so, so glad you are happy with your decision.  

    momwriter - is getting a prophylactic MX something you would consider at this point?  When you got MRI call backs did you have to get biopsies?  I've had a lot of 3D mammo call backs but not MRI. 

    I've been thinking a lot about this (vast understatement) and am curious as to why surgeons and oncologists just say that overall survival isn't really affected by getting the BMX and they wouldn't suggest removing a healthy breast. (I know the discussion may different for BRCA) What is missing in this discussion is the torture of endless f/u with 3D mammos and MRIs, our increased chances for getting contralateral BC and the considerations for those who have dense breasts (2x likely to get BC and not seen on imaging), where  all this testing is sort of just a CYA activity anyway.   Nobody talked to me about any of this at diagnosis. Maybe that would have been too much info to handle but I would have liked to have known.  I blame myself for not figuring this out but I am also mad at my providers.  Actually, very MAD.  I think once we have had a a lumpectomy, mastectomy, chemo, radiation, etc, all that we go through, then we are  likely often less willing to think that a 5% or 10% risk of cancer in the other breast is a low number because we have lived through the treatment.  At the time of my UMX I wanted so much to keep my body. I am a bit slow but now I get that my body as I knew it is gone, no matter what else I plan to do.   

    Rozem:   Thanks for asking your question. I am curious as well about what drives triple positive recurrences.  I don't know much at all and am wondering  what others have to say. I think it may depend on the percentages of HR+ and HER+ so it might be different for each individual.  I'm glad you can stop Tamoxifen.   XX. 

    Thanks, All. 



  • LaughingGull
    LaughingGull Member Posts: 560
    edited December 2019

    willa,

    Like you, when I went through treatment and surgery, my concern was the cure for my cancer breast; the other breast, and anything concerning it were afterthoughts. But when the cancer surgery found a 2.5cm solid tumor in my cancer breast, plus macrometastases in two nodes, neither of which showed up in the pre-surgery MRI, I decided I was done with having breasts (extremely dense tissue) and breast screening. For a minute, I was disappointed at my providers, too. Then, when I explained my feelings to them, they totally understood and were 100% on board for the prophylactic mastectomy, both the MO and the BS. They have an obligation to err on the side of conserving...if the medical reason is not that strong, and they recommend a prophylactic mastectomy, and then you regret it, you cannot bring that breast back. You need to drive that request. And they were also focused on curing you, on your treatment, your cancer treatment. The bottom line is that you can still get it out, now that you have made up your mind. I breathed a big sigh of relief when I had that remaining breast out.

    On the triple positive recurrences, what I have read is that if it is HER2-driven, it happens more often during the first five years, whereas if your recurrence is hormone-driven, it can happen at any time.

  • willa216
    willa216 Member Posts: 165
    edited December 2019

    LaughingGull - Thanks for  being a voice of reason. Of course you are right about the BS and Onc erring on the side of being cautious with mastectomy.  I'm just overly emotional and frustrated. A bit of a whackjob from the mri anxiety.   I understand recurrence the same way you do :)

    Wishing all a good night. 

     

  • MACTAZ
    MACTAZ Member Posts: 597
    edited December 2019

    Willa, we understand what you are going through, our minds can play havoc with us. There is just so much info we have to process in such a short time. That’s why this thread is a great place to come - you feel safe to vent your frustrations and also get some good “food for thought”. I wish you all the best.

    And to all on this site, I wish everyone a most joyous holiday season....we deserve it. This time of year can be difficult at times but it is comforting to know you have a great big support family here

  • Kimmh012
    Kimmh012 Member Posts: 87
    edited December 2019

    Can you log into your Patient Portal and see results? Sorry for your wait, I hope the ole saying is true, no news is good news. I too have been waiting for my bone scan results for over a week and my appt is not until next week., it was finally posted today in my patient portal, "NO FINDINGS". Wishing you the Best.

  • willa216
    willa216 Member Posts: 165
    edited December 2019

    MACTAZ and Kimmh - thank you for helping me feel less alone and less crazy.  Something happened with the reporting of my MRIi and though I kept following up I just got the results today, (My provider doesn't release results in portal  - good or bad - until there is an actual discussion).  Everything was fine with the MRI though I feel many years older.   

    I'm grateful for this  news but I'm especially grateful for all of you here.  This forum has been a gift so many times over the last several years.  I hope that I am able to pay it forward.  

    Sending everyone so much love. May you feel joy, peace and comfort over the holidays and always.   

    XX.

     

  • LaughingGull
    LaughingGull Member Posts: 560
    edited December 2019

    yaaaayyyy so happy for you!!!

  • Cowgirl13
    Cowgirl13 Member Posts: 1,936
    edited December 2019

    Rozem, how nice to 'see you' here. I too was able to get off arimidex before the 10 years. My onc told me about the 7-8 years being as good as 10. What a relief. I hope all is well with you.

  • Ingerp
    Ingerp Member Posts: 2,624
    edited December 2019

    Cowgirl congrats and those of us newer to the journey are curious if you noticed any <hopefully positive> changes after you went off it?

  • Gudrun
    Gudrun Member Posts: 140
    edited December 2019

    willa, so very happy for you !!!

  • Gudrun
    Gudrun Member Posts: 140
    edited December 2019

    willa, so very happy for you !!! Thank you for letting us know!

  • Lulu44
    Lulu44 Member Posts: 37
    edited December 2019

    congratulations, Willa... been saying prayers for u

  • rozem
    rozem Member Posts: 1,375
    edited December 2019

    in regards to the question about how I feel...no different yet but its only been about 2 months since I have been off tamox, I think it takes more time to completely leave your system. I think I am expecting a lot more than going off will deliver...better hair, complexion, weight loss, sleep blah blah!!!

    I forgot to mention the other reason I was given the blessing to go off is that my MO said that at this point the biggest benefit is preventing another BC but since I have no breasts ….


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