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ScatteredEnergy
ScatteredEnergy Member Posts: 382

So I went to see the breast surgeon today and below is some of the info.

The cancer is Estrogen and Progesterone positive. HER2 negative.

One lymph node has cancer and the MRI shows there may be more. The PET scan will confirm.

She might not be able to save my right nipple because the cancer is too close or on it.

They will sched. me for a PET scan, genetic testing, and to put in a port.

I will see the Oncologist sometime in January hopefully to see what course of action she thinks is the best and then we will decide.

SO HERE ARE MY QUESTIONS OR THOUGHTS:

1. I told her I want a double mastectomy. She says that it will depend on the results of the genetic testing but I really don't care what the genetic tests say. I want both breasts out. Can I make that decision or find another surgeon?

2. She might not be able to save my right nipple. Can I ask her to wait until she is in surgery to decide?

3. She says she thinks chemo first to see if she can can kill the cancer on the lymph nodes instead of taking out a bunch that might not be affected. My boss, who went through this before, says that I'll be too fragile and that might risk of infection will be higher if I have chemo first and then surgery. I need to get back to work as soon as possible. We cannot afford to be out too long. I have three fairly healthy kids but my step kids are always sick. I also work with the public, increasing my risk even more. What would you do?

TIA

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  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited December 2019

    Scattered - I'll try to answer here, but it works better if you stick on one of the other threads where everyone has already met you & given answers,

    1) It is my understanding that YOU can make the mastectomy decision. If your doc won't agree, you may need to find another doc or get a second opinion.

    2) I think you pretty much need to let the doc remove what she thinks is necessary to get clean margins. I expect she's already doing that since she said "might." I had to give up both nipples.

    3) There are sometimes good reasons for doing chemo first. I wasn't particularly fragile going into surgery even after 6 infusions 3 weeks apart, and the chemo did kill a bunch of the cells & decreased the size of the tumor - which made surgery easier. Thinking down the road, this is something to discuss with an MO.


  • Spookiesmom
    Spookiesmom Member Posts: 9,568
    edited December 2019

    I TOLD my surgeon I wanted bmx. If he hadn’t agreed, I’d have looked elsewhere. Your body, your decision. I wasn’t interested in recon nipples or any of that. Just get them off.

    I had 4 rounds of a/c, 1 taxotere. Wasn’t easy but got through it.

    I had chemo first, then surgery 7 years ago this week, then rads.

    If your dr won’t listen to you, find another.

  • AliceBastable
    AliceBastable Member Posts: 3,461
    edited December 2019

    Your boss wants you back at work as soon as possible. I would NOT take any medical or surgical advice from her; she is looking out for her own interests, not yours.

  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited December 2019

    Ditto to everything MinusTwo said.

    And to her third point, you should immediately get yourself set up with an appointment with a Medical Oncologist.

    Often patients don't see an MO until after surgery, but if there is any reason to consider chemo prior to surgery, as there is in your case, it's the MO would is responsible for this recommendation and explaining it to you. Surgeons do surgery. MOs determine the entire treatment regimen. The decision on any treatment is yours, so ultimately you can decide if you want surgery first or chemo first, but you should get the recommendation of the MO and discuss the pros and cons, and your concerns, with him or her.

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited December 2019

    But remember Scattered - lot of people work through chemo. Maybe have infusions on a Friday and have the weekend to recover. Or infusions on Thursday and have 4 days to recover. It might not be as bad as you think. I drove myself to each infusion, which lasted almost 8 hours with all the drug combos. Then drove myself home. I was wide awake with the steroids anyway.

  • ScatteredEnergy
    ScatteredEnergy Member Posts: 382
    edited December 2019

    MinusTwo, I assumed this was like other forums where you go ask the questions in the section were it belongs, keim? Thank you for answering, I'm glad you were not fragile. I'm thinking of all the shit I have to do.

    Spookiesmom, thank you. I have a lot of thinking to do.

    AliceBastable, I hope I'm not wrong but my boss doesn't seen like that and I have had horrible bosses. She had breast cancer six years ago. I work for the state and I'm protected by FMLA. I'm think of me, my boyfriend cannot afford to maintain everything with just his salary. I have less than 100 hrs. Once that runs out, I'll not get paid.

  • ScatteredEnergy
    ScatteredEnergy Member Posts: 382
    edited December 2019

    Beesie, yes. Nothing will be done until I see the MO in January.

    MinusTwo, I'm glad to know I won't feel handicapped through it all. I just don't know what to expect.

  • ScatteredEnergy
    ScatteredEnergy Member Posts: 382
    edited December 2019

    JavaJana, well that sucks.

  • ScatteredEnergy
    ScatteredEnergy Member Posts: 382
    edited December 2019

    Just saw the plastic surgeon I plan on using for the reconstruction. He agrees with doing chemo first and then surgery depending if I need radiation. My appt. with the MO is on Feb. 4th but they are trying to get me in sooner.

  • Brilee76
    Brilee76 Member Posts: 227
    edited December 2019

    Hi :) I had surgery first because we didn't think I was going to need chemo. My MRI showed a suspicious node so it was biopsied before my surgery and came back negative. 3 nodes were removed during my bilateral mastectomy and 1 came back with a micrometastases on the outside of it so chemo was recommended. I started chemo 3 weeks after my surgery. I was also back at work half days 3 weeks after my surgery and began working full 8 hour days 6 weeks after my surgery. I worked through my 4 TC treatments. I missed the day of my treatment and sometimes the 4th day after due to SEs. My mom had breast cancer last year in both breasts and opted to do lumpectomies and radiation. We have the same MO. My MO suggested a bilateral before my genetic testing was even done. My mother and I have a mutation on the BRCA2 gene but it is not the known mutation. I had hoped to spare my breasts but I decided to give myself the best chance of not having a recurrence and decided to go ahead with a nipple sparing bilateral mastectomy. After speaking with my BS and PS I opted to only do a skin sparing mastectomy. I didn't want to leave any breast tissue behind and I'm OCD so the thought that my nipples may not point in the same direction or be at the same height caused my change of heart. I have BCBS insurance through my employer. They didn't give me any trouble approving the authorizations for everything I've had done as part of my treatment.

    My mom is post menopausal so she started taking Letrozole before her lumpectomy surgeries. It shrank her tumors a good bit before her surgeries.

    I hope some or all of this info helps.

  • ScatteredEnergy
    ScatteredEnergy Member Posts: 382
    edited December 2019

    Brilee76, I'm a bit OCD as well lol. That's why I rather not keep one nipple if I cannot keep both.

  • MydogandIhadcancer
    MydogandIhadcancer Member Posts: 24
    edited December 2019

    @scatteredenergy

    My care team originally recommended a lumpectomy and radiation for DCIS in my right breast. That is the normal recommendation on paper without taking specific patients and special factors in account. The treatment plan changed due to the extent of my calcifications and the small size of my breasts. Half of my right breast was involved, so they recommended that I have a mastectomy.

    My genetics tests came back negative for known genetic mutations for cancer, except possibly gastric.

    Like yours, my cancer was ER and PR + but HER-.

    The calcifications started very near my nipple. I was told Immediately that they probably could not save my nipple, when the original plan was a lumpectomy. This leads me to believe that they can make a final decision in surgery.

    I chose a double due to my MRI showing “enhancements” in the left breast. The enhancements are not cancer, not even pre-cancer but areas of concern. I thought that the risk of my left breast going rogue and the low rate of recurrence after double mastectomy pretty well justified my choice. Additionally, a double mastectomy also meant that I would not need adjuvant treatments like an oophorectomy or pharmaceutical-induced menopause.

    Fortunately my husband’s job offers a benefit that grants a second opinion. Grand Rounds collects your medical records and hires experts in the field to review them and generate a second opinion. Happily, the breast surgeon who gave the second opinion agreed that a double mastectomy was a good and reasonable choice for me.

    I had a third opinion with a doc at a cancer center and I didn’t think he read my records. He was way back on lumpectomy and radiation. I also contacted Dr. Tomkovich and Dr. Littrup, who are pioneers in treating breast cancer with cryoablation. I was not a candidate.

    I let my team know my choice and we moved forward. My doc didn’t mind that at all and said nothing about my decision.

    If money is an issue, you may wish to talk to your insurance or to the social worker at your hospital.

    I have read that many women “needlessly” have doubles when a single would do. Sounds like insurance propaganda to me, just like the recommendation to have a first mammograms at 50 is.

    Someone on these boards wrote something I found very useful. Our care teams are specialists in surgery, oncology, radiation, etc. You are a specialist in you. Educate yourself on your diagnosis and your body, decide what treatments and course you want to pursue

    Apologies if this is too long. I wanted to know where you and I were similar and different.

  • ScatteredEnergy
    ScatteredEnergy Member Posts: 382
    edited December 2019

    MydogandIhadcancer, not too long at all. I'm learning a lot from all of you. We will see how the treatment recommendations change as the results from all the testing comes back. I just sched. my PET scan for 12/31. Hoping to see my MO soon after.

  • OnTarget
    OnTarget Member Posts: 447
    edited December 2019

    I was very concerned at first about keeping my nipples. Then I found out that with a BMX and Implants I wouldn't be able to feel them anyway! That was news to me.

    One had to go because the cancer was too close. That one was clear on pathology. The other one, the "good" one, had ALH on pathology, so I'm happy to lose it.

    One of the deciding factors for me was that nipples are sometimes hard to match, and they often seem to be put on in the wrong place and they look weird.

    I have a friend who is very displeased with her nipple placement, so I know I made the right choice for myself knowing what upsets me.

  • ScatteredEnergy
    ScatteredEnergy Member Posts: 382
    edited December 2019

    OnTarget, i didn't know that. Good to know. I might just let them go.

  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited December 2019

    ScatteredEnergy, with implant reconstruction, all the breast tissue is removed and the PS puts in a piece of silicone. So think of it like this. You take out all the natural stuff (including the nerves and blood vessels) and you put in the equivalent of a soft ball. Therefore no nipple sensations, since all those ducts and nerves that lead up to the nipple are gone.

    The best you get after implant reconstruction is skin sensation, which some women get but others don't. There also can be phantom feelings - for the first couple of years after my surgery, when I got cold I could "feel" my nipple harden... except I no longer had a nipple. So when you read about someone who's had implant reconstruction proclaiming that she has retained "full nipple sensation", it's probably all in her mind, in that our minds are used to certain conditions leading to certain physical feelings, and it can take a long time before our minds figure out that those feelings aren't happening anymore.

    It may be possible to regain somewhat more sensation with some methods of autologous reconstruction but it's not a sure thing and many women have similar results to those who have implant reconstruction.

  • ScatteredEnergy
    ScatteredEnergy Member Posts: 382
    edited December 2019

    Beesie, so if I keep the nipples it would be just for looks because they won't work. Good to know. I will have to decide soon.

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited December 2019

    Scattered - and as above, it's very hard to keep them symmetrical. You often get one pointing up & out while the other is visably lower and pointing in. 3D tattoos are amazing.

  • LisaK12
    LisaK12 Member Posts: 107
    edited December 2019

    FWIW, I had DCIS in left breast only, genetic testing all came back negative, and I opted for a double mastectomy. Three reasons: (1) I have very dense breast tissue so was not confident that mammography, ultrasounds, and MRIs were identifying all potential breast cancer; (2) my genetic counselor made it very clear that genetic tests change all the time and that testing "negative" just meant that I don't have any of the currently-known genetic links to cancer but that they are discovering new ones constantly (and my maternal grandmother died of breast cancer); and (3) I wanted symmetry. I was not a candidate for nipple-sparing surgery on the left breast because the DCIS was right behind the nipple, so I ended up having both nipples removed as well (I could have kept the right one but decided I really wanted symmetry). I did get a second opinion who recommended a third lumpectomy and radiation, but I decided I did not want to give this disease any more time out of my life -- I wanted to be done with it. My BS and PS were both very supportive of my choices. In the pathology results it turned out that my instincts were correct -- DCIS was scattered throughout all four quadrants of my left breast in areas where it had not shown up on mammography, ultrasounds, or MRIs, and I had LCIS, atypical hyperplasia, and papillomas in my right breast as well. As part of the mastectomies I had immediate, direct-to-implant reconstruction (no tissue expanders) on both breasts, with the implants placed on top of the pectoral muscles using Alloderm rather than underneath, and no nipple reconstruction. "One and done" with a quick recovery time was important to me. By six weeks after the surgery my life was back to normal, traveling internationally, etc. A year later I got 3-D nipple tattoos with Vinnie Myers. Insurance essentially covered everything (other than copays etc.) except they are denying reimbursement for the tattoos, which I anticipated but still find irritating, especially since the $800 cost for the tattoos is far less than the cost of the Nipple-Areola complex reconstruction that I could have opted for, which they would have covered.

    I am extremely happy with the overall outcome and love not having to wear bras most of the time. I do still have some sensation in the skin. My only real annoyance has been itching, particularly where the left sentinel node was removed. But I can live with that. I do miss the "real" nips, but being free of breast cancer far outweighs that loss. Good luck to you!

  • ScatteredEnergy
    ScatteredEnergy Member Posts: 382
    edited December 2019

    Thank you LisaK12. I also have dense breasts and want symmetry. Insurance companies are weird. I chewed them out when they called me because I was planning a homebirth even though it costs less than a hospital birth.

  • Legomaster225
    Legomaster225 Member Posts: 672
    edited December 2019

    ScatteredEnegy, I had chemo first and then my bmx. I had a node that was positive by biopsy but when it was removed at surgery it did not have cancer. Other nodes were clean also.

    I too wanted a BMX and I had no insurance issues with my decision. After surgery, cancer was found in my "clean" breast as well. The BMX was a good decision for me but certainly finding additional cancer is not the norm after all the Mammos, MRI's etc. You should be able to make the decision on what you want and if your surgeon isn't working with you then find another. I had nipple sparing with immediate implants, and they look fine, not functional though. You can certainly discuss that with your surgeon but but getting rid of the cancer is much more important.
    I don't think I would take kindly to my boss offering their opinion on my treatment timing though.. Some women can work through chemo. It depends on how you respond and your health needs. I was fortunate I could work from home during all my treatments. You need to take care of yourself first
  • ScatteredEnergy
    ScatteredEnergy Member Posts: 382
    edited December 2019

    Thank you Legomaster225. I can't afford to not work. So I hope I'm able to.

    And maybe I should have been more specific on the original post. My boss had breast cancer 6 years ago. I have been learning a lot from her and she is very supportive.

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