ILC Treatment Options

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Live_love_laugh Member Posts: 8

Hi Ladies new to the group and have so many questions, you all seem to be so knowledgable..I have recently been diagnosed with Stage 1A ILC Multifocal..waiting on oncotype results to decide chemo, Oncologist says I may only need hormone therapy, but no rads Just a few questions.

Chemo Question: my understanding is chemo kills current dividing active cells..how does chemo them help recurrence in the future?

Can lifestyle like lowering harmful foods, lowering BMI/Overall body fat and exercise decrease recurrence rate alot, can this route not be taken instead of all these treatment meds that have all the side effects.?

Lastly when tamoxifan is done 5-10 yrs down the road, are you opening yourself up to recurrence again?

Thank you for your advice and input in advance

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  • trinigirl50
    trinigirl50 Member Posts: 343
    edited September 2019

    Chemo works on the currently active cells that may have already entered your bloodstream or lymphatic system and kills them. This stops them from setting up shop in your bones or organs and growing into tumours at a later stage. This cuts down on the chance of recurrence in the future.

    Yes it has been documented that exercise can help drop reoccurrence rates by as much as 20% in some studies. It is not clear whether lowering your body fat prevents reoccurrence some studies say yes, some say no. However the idea behind it, is that fat makes oestrogen and if you are ER+ then the less oestrogen your body makes, the better your chances are for no reoccurrence. The tamoxifen is used to lower or eliminate oestrogen. Tamoxifen has been absolutely proven to lower reoccurrence rates by up to 30%.

    There is now an online calculator that can predict if continued use of Tamox or an AI drug after 5 years completed will be beneficial or not.

    As you are so early stage, I would guess that your chances of reoccurrence are very small. ILC is know to be slow lazy cancer when caught early, not aggressive. No one is safe from recurrence but Stage 1A ILC has an excellent prognosis.

    Decisions about forgoing medication and changing lifestyle instead of using conventional therapy are entirely personal. I would discuss this clearly with your Drs. But changing lifestyle for healthier eating and exercise is always going to be beneficial, whether it reduces chances of reoccurrence or not.

    Good luck.


  • Meow13
    Meow13 Member Posts: 4,859
    edited September 2019

    My lifestyle was very good, eating and daily exercise BMI was 21 at diagnosis so were many others


  • OnTarget
    OnTarget Member Posts: 447
    edited September 2019

    I am stage 1a, but I had ITC's found in 1 lymph node, so in my case I felt that my cancer cells were clearly out and about looking for new places to set up shop. The standard recommendation for my situation is to not do chemo, but in working with my MO it was determined that chemo could have some benefit and I chose to take it to hopefully kill those wandering cells. ILC is often lower grade, but mine is grade 2 with pleomorphic features, so hopefully the chemo will work on the wanderers.

  • arizonaboundgal
    arizonaboundgal Member Posts: 88
    edited November 2019

    Hey Trinigirl. I was also diagnosed with ILC this summer and am trying to decide whether to take the AL drug prescribed. You mentioned an online calculator...would you have a link for this? Thanks in advance!

  • MikaMika
    MikaMika Member Posts: 342
    edited November 2019

    Hello. May I ask you more about the treatment?

  • MikaMika
    MikaMika Member Posts: 342
    edited November 2019

    Hello. OnTarget, may I ask more about your treatment?

  • wallycat
    wallycat Member Posts: 3,227
    edited November 2019

    Mika, you sent me a PM...I don't know that there's any one way to think we can beat this ugly cancer. Some gals really make a 180 change and others keep doing what they had been, since they were healthy and doing things "right" all along. Cancer is a crap shoot. Eat well, eliminate as much stress as is possible, have friends and family around that are loving....and live life till you can't.

  • MikaMika
    MikaMika Member Posts: 342
    edited November 2019

    Thank you so much for your response!

  • Meow13
    Meow13 Member Posts: 4,859
    edited November 2019

    I agree do the best you can to live healthy and enjoy.

  • trinigirl50
    trinigirl50 Member Posts: 343
    edited December 2019

    arizonaboundgal sorry for late reply. the calculator is for those who've already completed five years of AI, on whether to continue for a further 2-5 years.

  • LillyIsHere
    LillyIsHere Member Posts: 830
    edited December 2019

    Hi Ladies, I was diagnosed with ILC in August 2019. I am told I'm stage 1B since the tumor was small but has spread to 2 lymph nodes. I feel another lymph node on my collarbone that is swollen but not hard and the doctor doesn't think it is cancer. Also the left arm that was diagnosed with C is feeling numb. What are the signs that ILC has spread since it doesn't create lumps? Do you have any experience with numbness of the arm after the surgery? It is getting worst. X-ray didn't show much.

  • jessie123
    jessie123 Member Posts: 532
    edited December 2019

    Lillywashere

    I didn't have an MX or Axillary node removal so can't comment on arm pain. However, the arm is not one of the normal places ILC metastasizes to. I think that you will get many answers to your question on the Surgery forum or maybe the "pain after surgery" forum. Good luck -- I know this is all so scary.


  • LaCombattante
    LaCombattante Member Posts: 226
    edited December 2019

    Hi Lilly,

    arm numbness could be due to nerve damage after surgery, my surgery was in April and I still have some numbness in / near the armpit and in the upper arm.

    If you are concerned about a lymph node, I would insist on an ultrasound. I would also ask for a referral to a physiotherapist with experience in lymphedema to rule it out. It is unlikely with five nodes, but better safe than sorry.

    Good luck and keep us posted!

  • JRNJ
    JRNJ Member Posts: 573
    edited December 2019

    Lily I had arm pain before surgery. Was freaked because ilc can spread to arm bone. Bone scan came up clean and it's better after surgery. I think cancer was pressing on nerves. Could be something like your implant pressing on a nerve. Or symptom of lymphedema. I was freaked with 2 positive nodes and I will be getting radiation but they may not have recommended it without the Lymphovascular Invasion. I'm doing cmf chemo now after 3 opinions. My node invasion didn’t show up on any scans.

  • LillyIsHere
    LillyIsHere Member Posts: 830
    edited December 2019

    Thank you so much Ladies. I have not regret on my decision for double mastectomy but I'm regretting the decision to have breast reconstruction. I don't have lymphedema the nurse told me, the arm is not swollen and I was OK after surgery. It is lately that feels strange and I can't have certain scans because of the metal part on the spacers. Even thought ILC is very sneaky and doesn't create lumps to be shown from scans. My node invasion did not show on the scans either. This is what makes me nervous.

    JRNJ, may I ask you why did you doctor decided Chemo and radiation in your case? I was told to only use Letrozole since radiation and chemo won't be effective.

    Thank you again and the idea that the spacer maybe pressing in a nerve. Makes sense to me :)


  • JRNJ
    JRNJ Member Posts: 573
    edited December 2019

    Lily, I went into this wanting to be as aggressive as possible. Originally My BS said no radiation or chemo if less than 4 nodes positive and mastectomy. That made me very uncomfortable, but I've since learned she oversimplified it and caused me much anxiety. NCCN guidelines say with 1 to 3 positive nodes (macro over 2mm) patient should consider either additional node dissection or radiation. My BS never discussed this with me and was very defensive when I brought it up. I was ready for a fight, but I believe the RO recommended radiation due to lymphovascular invasion noted on final surgical pathology report, in addition to the 2 positive nodes and I didn't have to push for it. But chemo was more of a gray area with Oncotype 15 but some aggressive features and I am pre-menopausal at 54. First MO said he didn't know what to do so sent me to top doc for second opinion. She said no chemo. I was still uncomfortable with that, so went to Sloan, and she said yes to chemo. Crazy how 2 doctors could have polar opposite opinions. But the trials for node positive women are still ongoing and not as much data as for node negative, and I didn't want to take that chance. But she recommended CMF because it is not as toxic as TC. I've never heard that radiation is not effective on ILC. Chemo is not "as" effective on ILC as IDC, but can still be effective. I look at peoples posts like OnTarget and say, maybe I should be doing TC if it is more effective because I am still suffering. The decisions are endless. At some point we have to make a decision and go with it. I still need to get implants, my TEs were removed due to infection. I hope I don't regret it. At least with silicone implants you are eligible for periodic MRIs. Is that you playing the sax? Adorable picture.

  • OnTarget
    OnTarget Member Posts: 447
    edited December 2019

    I had BMX for ILC in both sides, and sentinel nodes taken on birth sides. I had numbness in the backs of my arms for months after surgery. I'm 7 months out and just recently realized that the numbness is gone.

    Kind of funny, but when the PT touches my armpit it is ticklish again, and it wasn't for the months after surgery.

  • mac5
    mac5 Member Posts: 135
    edited December 2019

    JRNJ my current Staging is at Stage IIIB. The first MO said with Oncotype 8 the chance of chemo working was less than 1%. She recommended a year of Endocrine Therapy then Surgery. But my tumor was visibly growing and the chest wall was involved so I wanted more aggressive treatment.

    Second MO agreed to CMF to see if we could get a response. After 3 cycles of 21 days, they did another Breast MRI. The 7.3 cm tumor is now 6 cm. And it has stopped growing. The MO says the tumor is palpably softer and she and the SO want to try a couple more cycles to see if it continues.

    The Genetic Testing of 89 genes does not reveal any mutations so my cancer doesn’t seem to be hereditary. It just happened.

    All of this is just to say you know what is best for you. All the Studies in the world can’t specifically predict how your body will react. I think we should be treated as aggressively as we can tolerate. Stay strong and feel better I hope. I’m on your side

  • JRNJ
    JRNJ Member Posts: 573
    edited January 2020

    Thanks Mac5! So glad it’s working!! I know you said on the other post they didn’t think it was. Remember cmf is more treatments than TC it’s supposed to be more slow and steady so hang in there! I think I suggested on the other post you might want to consider every other week. I’m doing fine on this schedule and feel good the second week. But I think you have more health issues than me.

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