BREAST IMPLANT SIZING 101

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  • whippetmom
    whippetmom Member Posts: 6,920
    edited September 2019

    Aiden 722:

    Allergan Inspira 340 ccs. Style SRX. That should be what you are describing

  • whippetmom
    whippetmom Member Posts: 6,920
    edited September 2019

    purpleflower

    I do need your TE information to be more exacting, but I think you want implants in the 400 cc range.

    Debora

  • GAWarrior
    GAWarrior Member Posts: 398
    edited September 2019

    Hi Whippetmom,

    I had a skin and nipple sparing BMX 10/2018. I went through my exchange surgery this past March but am not overly happy with the result, so I am considering swapping my current moderate profile implants for high or extra high profile implants. I need to help to make the decision of whether another surgery is even worth it, please!

    I am 5'4", 123 pounds, age 60. My rib cage measures 28 inches. My sternal notch to nipple measurement is 24cm (9.5 inches). I have a petite frame (I wear size small or extra-small blouses). I currently have cohesive silicone implants - Natrelle Inspira SCM-445 (left- non cancer side, which had a prohylactic MX) and SCM-520 (right). I wore a size 34C bra in my pre-BC life.

    From the first time I saw these puppies, I have felt like they were flat "pancakes" just sitting on my chest. I also feel like they are on upside down (nice upper pole, but flat at the bottom/nipples where a natural breast would project out). My cleavage is great, there just is NO projection at the bottom. If I turn sideways, they look (and generally feel) like they are just sort of plastered to my chest (will I ever get used to how uncomfortable they are? They feel like they will peel off my chest at any minute).

    PS is on board with doing an implant swap - he will use Mentor round implants, along with doing some fat grafting. He also wants to do a mastoplexy of both breasts to raise the nipple line because it is his opinion that the nipples are too low for a high profile implant. If I am going to go through another surgery, I want at least the high profile implants, but maybe extra high? I don't want stripper boobs, just to look like I have "natural" breasts! If it helps to know this, he would rather put in anatomical implants by Mentor, which he says aren't as high a lymphoma risk, but I am not sure I want to take that risk for several reasons.

    Am I hoping for too much? Will the high profile implants still leave me looking "flat" or "upside down"? (anyone who has had a mastoplexy, please feel free to weigh in (I have read that they don't last). If I do go through with the surgery, what would be the best size/style for my frame?

    Many, many thanks!

  • VegGal
    VegGal Member Posts: 507
    edited September 2019

    I have high profile. They look good from every angle.

  • MarthaMo
    MarthaMo Member Posts: 15
    edited September 2019

    Hi everyone, a little update from me! I had my exchange surgery few days ago, I was so surprise how good I felt right after waking up, almost no pain at all, I didn’t even need any medications.


    I ended up with mentor round high profile 400cc on my “healthy” side, and 450cc on my radiated side. That was surgeons decision after trying a few options during surgery, because healthy side looked bigger after expanders settled down. I hope they decided well.


    A day after surgery, when they let me see them, I almost cried of happiness. They look so natural! I had a nice shape before cancer, but this looks just perfect. Maybe they are a bit smaller then my original breasts, but I’m not sure, because they are different. I said to my surgeon that natural look is priority over size in my case. To be honest, I didn’t believe implants can look so good. I just hope it stays like that. I feel a bit like it’s too good to be true! They are also really soft!

    Good luck everyone!
  • purple-flower
    purple-flower Member Posts: 111
    edited September 2019

    Hi Debora

    Thanks for responding. I got a bit more info so maybe this will help with some recommendations for me - for the real implants?

    The TE that they used was the: Mentor 450ML style 9200.

    Apparently the type of implants they (Kaiser NCAL) typically offer are the Mentor smooth round. (different styles). Said they could get the Allergen kind if really wanted...

    As I mentioned in previous post, before all this I was a 36B saggyish (after kids), and pre-kids a 34B/C. I prefer to be smaller, and definitely don't want the va va voom look at all - so not sticking up and out in any crazy way. I have smallish frame (5"6" 125 pounds) so I'd like them to look and feel as close to natural as possible. Not looking for an enhancement, etc.

    So far I have 120ml saline inside TEs. Rt side looking more full than left - but obviously still a work in progress.

    Any recommendations? Questions to ask?

    Thanks!

    Purple Flower


  • coachvicky
    coachvicky Member Posts: 1,057
    edited October 2019

    Hi All,

    I saw my PS for my annual visit. My exchange was January 2017. I have classic 450 in each side.

    He said to his Nurse something like we did a 790 exchange? I realized that was my pre cancer size and what was removed.

    I also realized that today I can jog and exercise without the girls bouncing and trying to slap me in the face. My reconstruction is perfect for my weigh loss body after cancer.

    It took awhile to understand this.

    I remain grateful to WhippetMom for her guidance thru this. Thank you.

    Coach Vicky

  • whippetmom
    whippetmom Member Posts: 6,920
    edited October 2019

    GAWarrior

    NO to anatomical implants. Once you have had round implants, anatomical implants could more easily rotate. Also....Why take ANY risk? You will be better served by sticking with Natrelle Inspira. ideally, your PS could narrow the pockets laterally, and use a SRX style in the 450 to 500 cc range. I feel 13,5 cm max width would be preferable. I like the remainder of his plan.

    Debora

  • whippetmom
    whippetmom Member Posts: 6,920
    edited October 2019
  • whippetmom
    whippetmom Member Posts: 6,920
    edited October 2019

    purple-flower

    You have two options. 350 ccs or 375 ccs in the moderate plus profile, or 425 ccs or 450 ccs in a high profile style. All Mentor smooth, round, silicone implants. I think with your desires to remain small, you might want to go with the MPP version.

    D

  • whippetmom
    whippetmom Member Posts: 6,920
    edited October 2019

    MarthaMo:

    This is the way it should be. So glad it worked out for you and that you are happy with your results

  • GAWarrior
    GAWarrior Member Posts: 398
    edited October 2019

    Whippetmom, thanks so much for your suggestions! You are right, I really don't want anatomicals - especially with the risk they present. I didn't realize they would possibly rotate if I have had round ones before, though, thanks for letting me know. VegGal, I appreciate your input, too.

  • purple-flower
    purple-flower Member Posts: 111
    edited October 2019

    Whippetmom

    Thank you!! Really appreciate your help and advice!!

    All the best. Looking forward to when this is all done!

    PF

  • SpankyG
    SpankyG Member Posts: 13
    edited October 2019
    Glad to see you are back Whippetmom. I will send you some photos today by PM.Since making this post, I have been told by my surgeon that the fibrous scar tissue from the pocket relocation on my right breast is not capsular contracture. The surgeon just called it fibrous scar tissue. He gave me the feeling that I might just have to live with it. I'm not happy about that as it is very thick, rough and uncomfortable, plus it is making my right breast look somewhat misshaped and deformed right where the cleavage is. I want to address this with the surgeon but want to become as informed as possible on what my options are for addressing this issue. I've now been six months since the exchange surgery and was hoping that my new breasts would have started feeling a bit softer by now. The right breast with the implant seems to be softening up with the exception of the fibrous scar area. It is very hard and rough.The left (lat flap) breast is still very hard and sensitive. Although not as hard as the expander phase, it is pretty close to that hard rock feeling. From your experience and others on the forum is this as good as it gets or do I still have swelling that needs to dissipate.I see my surgeon again in January and that is when we will discuss any revision surgeries to correct the misshaped lat flap breast, the incisions that didn't heal properly, and hopefully address the fibrous scar issue on the right breast.Thank you for what you do for all of us.
  • robinblessed54
    robinblessed54 Member Posts: 578
    edited October 2019

    Hello, I am one of the unfortunate 410 ladies

    I am seeing my PS on October 24 to discuss explanting them. I have 475cc FF. How difficult is it to switch to Mentor smooth? And what size and should I be expecting?

    I can’t live with them knowing what I know. I can’t “unknow” it! Having BC is bad enough always knowing it could recurr. Now they want us to wait for symptoms?? I don’t think so.

    I am 5’ 5”, 145 pounds. 36” chest. My foobs itch all the time with occasional pain.

    Thank you for your help.

    Robin


  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited October 2019

    I am posting this on several threads that are discussion the recalled implants. And BTW, it is not implants in your body, only what was in stock on the shelves.

    I have the Allergan 410 Anatomical Textured implants. They were "installed" in 2011. I really like the implants so I determined to have some testing before jumping off the cliff. My MO ordered both a diagnostic ULS and an MRI. I went back to the radiologist who was 'spot on' for my original diagnosis.

    I had already seen both the PS and the MO and both of them said they don't see any problems, but...

    Today I had the ULS. This is a radiologist that I REALLY trust. He has seen a couple of ALCL instances out of a ton of people. I wanted an ULS to verify - and maybe an MRI follow up. In his opinion, he has seen either fluid or a mass if the patient has ALCL. He saw nothing abnormal on my films. My gut reaction is NO - I am not going to explant and I am not going to have any more surgery just now. As I suspected, my pain is likely from radiation after effects. When I pushed him for a 'survivorship plan', (my MO basically says do nothing) he suggested I come back every two years since I already had a recurrence 2 years after the original cancer & implants. He said many women come every year because they are worried and need reassurance or to have their hands held. Not a judgement, just a fact.

    He said I can surely have the MRI if I want, but I am confident enough of his skills that I will pass on the MRI & extra radiation for now. And I will agree with my PS that I don't need to worry so much.
  • whippetmom
    whippetmom Member Posts: 6,920
    edited October 2019

    robinblessed


    Absolutely ! It is easy to switch to a smooth, round implant. I recommend Mentor high profile smooth round, 500 ccs or 550 ccs. You will be happy with the change.

    Deborah

  • robinblessed54
    robinblessed54 Member Posts: 578
    edited October 2019
  • LillyIsHere
    LillyIsHere Member Posts: 830
    edited October 2019

    Hi, 3 weeks ago I had post bilateral mastectomy and immediate reconstruction using tissue expanders and AlloDerm RTU sling. My right side is painful and was ed. PS put me in heavy antibiotics but he also thinks it may have been a reaction to AlloDerm RTU.

    Does anyone have any experience with AlloDerm RTU?

    Thank you!

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited October 2019

    Lilly - this thread is mainly about selecting the correct size of implants. You can "search" the entire site on from the left hand column. Or you can start a new thread if you don't find anything. Good luck.

  • BgRose
    BgRose Member Posts: 10
    edited October 2019

    Hi wippedmom,

    I am day 2 post op BMX with Alloderm Tissue Matrix Contour Large Perforated sling and Mentor Cpx 450cc # 350-9213 /7748088.

    I am 5'4 125 pounds, pre-surgical bra size 32 ddd ,droopy after 3 kids.

    Looking for high profile, high projection, round new boobs.

    Help me pick the right implants! :)



  • VegGal
    VegGal Member Posts: 507
    edited October 2019

    BgRose, if you want high profile and projection, look into Natrelle Inspira SCX. They are as good as they get for projection. Whippetmom can help you with the size!

    Goo luck!

  • whippetmom
    whippetmom Member Posts: 6,920
    edited October 2019

    LiliWasHere:

    Did you leave out an “r” when describing your your skin overlying your implant? There is a phenomenon called “red breast syndrome”, felt to be a dermatological reaction to Alloderm. But typically it is not associated with pain. It is a benign condition, and eventually the redness abates. I hope this helps.

    Debora

  • whippetmom
    whippetmom Member Posts: 6,920
    edited October 2019

    BgRose

    Implants: Mentor Xtra Smooth Round Silicone - 560 ccs or 595 ccs. Either would be ideal. You likely have sufficient skin envelopes for the 595 cc implants. Your PS could try both in the OR at the time of exchange.

    Deborah

    Oh...I see that VegGal mentioned Inspira by Allergan. The SCX or SRX would be excellent choices also, but docs who use Mentor TEs are usually Mentor all the way. In the Inspira, the size would be very similar. Talk to your PS tosee if you have this option.

  • UWMOM
    UWMOM Member Posts: 6
    edited October 2019

    Hi whippetmom

    I have wanted to reach out for a while and get your thoughts/opinions on my exchange. I had a bilateral nipple sparring mastectomy Jan 2019. In February I had to head back to the OR for a hematoma (right side). I had my original TE's (400cc Allergan recalled textured) placed in April 2019. My left TE was replaced in July due to a leak. It's been a long year! I am schedule for my exchange this December. My PS has given me pros/cons of both silicone & saline. Ultimately it is my decision. Hoping to get your opinion on which has more benefits/drawbacks, as well as sizing. I'm 5'6" and weigh 170 lbs. Pre kiddos I was a 34b. I'd like to be a bit bigger but I'm definitely not looking to be "big". Thank you in advance.

  • whippetmom
    whippetmom Member Posts: 6,920
    edited November 2019

    UWMMOM:

    I would not hesitate to get a smooth round silicone implant. I would suggest Allergan Inspira SRX or SRF....but something in the high 500 cc range to high 650 cc range, if at all possible. Another option would be the Mentor xtra smooth round high profile implant - same sizing.

    Deborah

  • July11986
    July11986 Member Posts: 4
    edited November 2019

    Hey Whippetmom- I am new to the forum but have been impressed by you accumulative knowledge on what size implants. I am a 70 year old, height 5'4", 180 pounds, under breast measurement of 38 inches. I had bilateral mastectomies with reconstruction on 10-13-19. I have Natrelle TE 133S-MX-15T 700 cc in that are under the muscle. My PS is filling weekly and I am up to 350 cc in TE. My DX was ILCIS stage A1, grade 2, with negative lymph nodes. My main concern is to look good in my clothing. Can you help me with sizing. I really appreciate you going above and beyond. Many thanks

  • whippetmom
    whippetmom Member Posts: 6,920
    edited November 2019

    July11986

    I would recommend Natrella Inspiration, 750 ccs SRX (which is an extra full projection style) and/or 800 ccs, same style.

    De

  • OnTarget
    OnTarget Member Posts: 447
    edited November 2019

    Hi Whippetmom,

    I'm not sure if this is something you can comment on or not. Here are my stats:

    TE's: Natrelle MV-T 400cc (13cm x 12cm x 5.6cm) - overfilled to 500ccs

    Height: 5'9"

    Weight: 158-168

    Chest: 29" (broad I guess- I'm skinny on the sides)

    You'd suggested Allergan Inspira SRF 485cc's (13cm wide, 5.4cm projection)

    I'd come to an agreement with my PS that I'd be about 500 cc's with high cohesion (SCF's) because he explained that I would end up with a lot of rippling with the Soft Touch (SSF's) so Soft Touch were not a good option for me. We also agreed that they'd be high profile (full profile). So I'd expect that I'd have either SCF 480 or SCF 520.

    Before the surgery I pointed out for the third time to the PS that my breasts were about 4 fingers apart in the TE's and I wanted them closer together. My original boobs were about 1 finger apart at the top. He drew pre-op lines on me that were 1 finger apart and I was super happy!

    I woke up from the surgery with boobs that are about 1 finger apart (yay!), but the implants he put in were Natrelle SSM-600's (600ccs, moderate profile, Soft Touch, 4.9cm projection). SOFT TOUCH?!! He'd specifically told me that Soft Touch would not work well for me prior to surgery!

    The PS said that he had to put in the 600's because to put my breasts closer he had to use something with a 15cm base instead of the 13cm of the TE's. I'm assuming he's saying that the high profile wouldn't fit, but he did not actually say why he did not choose them, but that makes sense. Or maybe that they'd have to be 695cc's or 745cc's which is WAY bigger than the 500cc's we were planning on, that could be the reason too.

    I was expecting a projection of 5.4 or 5.5cm, and what these have is 4.9cm. The difference in profile is not very big, but these breasts look like flat pancakes. I understand that this is a common complaint when people first get the implants put in and I'm very hopeful that they have some more projection and look rounder after settling because they currently look pretty awful and the projection is very disappointing compared to my overfilled TE's.

    I'm pretty unhappy on a number of fronts- first, I hate being surprised and I can't imagine why the doctor was not capable of measuring correctly prior to the surgery to determine what size base I'd need (which would influence what size implant would fit). I wanted to be part of the decision making process I am very unhappy being blindsided. He could have even give me some potential different bases and we could have talked through what implants I'd prefer. Second, he put in implants which he'd already told me would ripple (against my wishes), and I can see ripples less than a week out. Third, he put in implants with a different projection than we'd agreed on but I guess that was unavoidable due to the larger width I need.

    My questions are these:

    What is the likelihood that fat grafting will be able to hide the ripples on me given that I do not carry much fat on my chest naturally? You can't see my chest bones, but my chest is the LAST place that gains weight. I have a lot of thigh fat to donate towards the project.

    How set in stone is the base size? If I went to SCF 650's, my breasts would be about 2cm (.78in) further apart, which is about 2 fingers apart, which apparently is average. Is that a thing that you've heard of people doing? Can you go from a 600 to a 650 without somehow expanding the tissue?

    I'll ask my doctor these questions, but I would like to have some outside info prior to my meeting of possible.

    Thanks so much for your time!

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited November 2019

    On Target - Whippetmom will likely be around soon, but just a quick comment. If I remember correctly, your exchange surgery was only 11/6. That's only 4 days ago. You will have no true idea what your implants will look like for 6 weeks to 6 months. As hard as it is, please try to step away from the mirror. It's way too soon to make any judgements about the final look or future plans.

    You could always make an appointment with a different PS for a second opinion. Although he or she would likely tell you the same thing - it's too soon - you could at least discuss it with someone with possibly a different medical opinion.

    Yes, I hated my PS several times during the process. I wanted more input and I wanted "what I wanted". And I wanted it right now. I did find another plastic surgeon and discuss my concern with the results. So been there, done that.

    8 years down the road, it's obvious he did a great job and I remain very pleased. Or as pleased as it's possible for anyone who's been through breast cancer with foreign things in my body. They look good and I don't think about them as extraneous appendages.

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