Bilateral mastectomy with possible DIEP surgery vs expanders

Iam38
Iam38 Member Posts: 9
edited September 2019 in Breast Reconstruction

I am 38 years old and recently diagnosed with right breast cancer. No one in my family has a history of it. And brca gene testing was negative. I wanted to reach out to anyone who has done the DIEP surgery vs implants. And how they felt post surgery with their results. Is there anything you took or used to help minimize scarring? And if you could go back, would you have chosen a different surgery path?

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  • HopeWins
    HopeWins Member Posts: 181
    edited August 2019

    hi Lam. I haven't had my surgery yet but recently went through the same decision making process. You'll find a lot of info on this site. You might even search here for DIEP vs implant. Outside of this site there are studies on satisfaction rates among implant patients vs DIEP patients.

    For me, these were my deciding factors. Im a nipple and skin sparing candidate and dont anticipate I'll need rads or chemo, so I can do immediate recon. I didn't want to travel for treatment. I had two PS consults. The first said he only does direct to implant 20% of the time. The second surgeon never does direct to implant for cosmetic reasons - too much chance of assymettry. Tissue expanders would have been in for 3-5 months with implants. When I considered that vs DIEP recovery, I felt like the recovery wouldn't be much worse with DIEP. Both require at least a second surgery. DiEP felt like a better life long solution vs implants that may need to be replaced every 8-12y (I'm in my 40s)

    If I had a surgeon near me who was very experienced at direct to implant, i would have considered that. I found a BS within an hour that has excellent DIEP experience. If I didn't have access to that, I probably would have settled for the expander/implant route. I had been leaning towards DIEP from the beginning, so I feel fortunate to have found what I did. Surgery is next week.... got to be honest, I'm a little terrified.

  • mustlovepoodles
    mustlovepoodles Member Posts: 2,825
    edited August 2019

    I opted for a one-step reconstruction called Goldilocks reconstruction. It did not go well. I ended up losing almost 100% of the reconstruction. I was not a fan of implants, due to the healing difficulties I had already experienced, so I resigned myself to having an ugly, mutilated chest for the rest of my life. Then, I discovered the DIEP recon. I had to really think about it for awhile, but I finally pulled the trigger last summer and I am thrilled with the results. My breasts are soft and warm, they move naturally, and I never have to worry about implant rupture, capsular contraction, implant recalls, or replacing every 10-15 years.

    Now...I did have some difficulties with healing, so I ended up having a little minor surgery 4 weeks after the initial DIEP. Also, DIEP reconstruction is usually done in 2 or more phases. The first phase is to move the skin & fat flaps from the abdomen to the chest and getting everything to "take". After about 3 months, the second phase is done to shape the breasts and tweak everything. This can include fat grafts, if you need more fluff. Some women go on to have more tweaks, but I only had one phase 2. Some of my fat has reabsorbed, so I could definitely stand to have more fat grafting. However, I'm at a place now where having more surgery is just not going to happen. I'm 62 and I look decent in clothing, so I'm gonna call it all good.


    ETA: If you do decide to go the DIEP route, I cannot stress enough the skill of your surgeon. DIEP is a microvascular surgery, so you need someone who does this at least weekly. If they're only doing 10-12 DIEPs a year, they are just not going to have the skill set of a surgeon who does 2-3 per week. I had mine done in New Orleans by the doctors at the Center for Reconstructive Breast Surgery. They do nothing by mastectomies and reconstruction. IMO, it was well worth it for me to go to NOLA for surgery. I had opinions from 2 well respected PSs in Atlanta, both of which pushed implants. Know this: Surgeons will push the surgery they are most comfortable with and perform the most. If they only do DIEP once a month, you need to seriously contemplate on that.

  • HopeWins
    HopeWins Member Posts: 181
    edited August 2019

    So true on PS steering towards what they are comfortable with! My first consult tried to steer me towards implants - he does 50 or fewer DIEPs per year, but thousands of implants. My 2nd consult painted a long TE process - he's an experienced microvascular surgeon who does DIEP and SGAP, approx 3000 at this point in career.

    You almost need to decide what you want before you find and interview your PS, or at least know what they're good at going into the consult. I really viewed my consults like I was hiring an expert to do what I wanted. I took what they told me with a grain of salt when it came to the procedures they weren't renowned for and soaked in what they said about their signature procedures. If I really wanted direct to implant I would have sought out and gotten a 3rd opinion but I am at peace with my DIEP plan.

    One thing to consider - you could always do implants and then DIEP years down the road if you're unhappy with implants. That option was presented to me because I don't quite have enough tissue to make my breasts as big as they are now and we all get more squishy as age.

  • Mavericksmom
    Mavericksmom Member Posts: 635
    edited September 2019

    May I ask why you want a BMX for a small first time breast cancer with no family history or genetic defect?

    When I had breast cancer in 2003 I would have rather died than to have my breasts removed. Now 16 years later with ILC Dx I wanted BMX and was denied! I have a strong family history, mom, two of three sisters and at least one cousin on my mother’s side, but the cancer hospital I went to won’t remove a healthy breast unless BRCA positive and I am BRCA negative!

    I had DIEP reconstruction but my experience wasn’t good and it wasn’t due to the surgeon or type of surgery. I had severe healing issues due to being burned by radiation treatments for my 2003 breast cancer. I had jelly bean size blisters on the top of my breast and the skin on the underside sloughed off. I didn’t know it would cause me so many problems almost 16 years later! Neither of my sisters were burned by radiation, just a little red, like sun burn.

    I wasn’t prepared for all that happened with the DIEP surgery. I didn’t realize they cut from hip to hip! I expected an incision like a c-section of which I had two. I didn’t know they relocate the belly button which I didn’t understand because I am old now and don’t care if I have a belly button or not. I also got very swollen, gained almost 20 pounds, immediately after the surgery. I freaked out when I saw my body for the first time a week after surgery! I don’t know if this always happens or if it was just me, but if it does happen, I assure you the swelling goes down and the weight comes off! Also I had four drains. I don’t know how many for BMX.

    I think most people have a good outcome from DIEP reconstruction.

    Good to be reaching out for information before committing to a surgery. I wish you the very best. My only piece of advice is to get what you want and it sounds like you will. I will forever regret not going somewhere and getting the BMX that I wanted.

  • HopeWins
    HopeWins Member Posts: 181
    edited September 2019

    lam38 just wanted to check back in and give you the good, bad and ugly. I'm almost two weeks out from DIEP phase 1. In the first few days after surgery I was feeling pretty bad. Visually my breasts/body looked mutilated to me. Drs, nurses and DH kept telling me everything looked great but I did not see that. The pain/discomfort for the first week is pretty intense so I think that contributed and I cried and cried. The arm pits are super sore if they do SNB and make the vessel connection there (some PS use a vessel in the chest instead but this requires partial removal of a rib on each side) also, the abdomen... wowzer. Anyone who has had abdominal surgery can attest to this. But my pity party didn't last too long.

    Now that the swelling has gone down it's so much better. My nipples no longer point east/west and are centered nicely. Boobs are pretty symmetrical. My tummy is completely flat. Scar is low and thin and the soreness/swelling went down significantly after only a week. I had read that many women lose their waistline. I didn't and I was grateful because I did not have much of one to begin with. I'm built like a column, sort of athletic and short waisted with long legs. I had medium/big boobs and not a ton of body fat with a BMI of 22. Ive had 3 kids so I had a little fluff in the belly. The PS said it was just enough tissue for DIEP but fat grafting would be required.

    I have to say, the boob volume is pretty close to what I had but the distribution is wider/flatter. I definitely will need fat grafting to fill out the upper and cleavage areas and I'm hoping that will work because the alternative would be small implants. I obviously don't know what implants feel like but I'm surprised that this transplanted tissue doesn't feel foreign. It mentally feels like my boobs never left... they just look different. Boobs are numb but my nipples still react to stimulus and they look like real boobs in something as skimpy as a camisole. No one would know otherwise. There are a lot of scars, so if that's something that would bother you, talk to the PS. I think some are revised in phase 2. Scars don't really bother me so I haven't asked too much about that. My niece says scars are badass, lol. If so, I might be the baddest of the asses!

    I have to wear an abdominal binder 24/7. The PA said 8w, but will see what PS says at 3w apt. I understand guidelines vary. It makes the back pain from hunching better but it's a PIA to sleep in, wear clothes with, etc

    Recovery wise my chest wall and armpits still feel pretty bruised but i think that is mostly mastectomy/SNB pain. I think outcomes vary greatly based on the patient's situation. Radiated skin, BMI, whether its bmx or unilateral, nipple/skin sparing vs not, etc. I think a lot can change with the phase 2 revision as well. I think the skill of the PS is also super important. I could have had this done at my local hospital with a PS who does "about one/week" but opted to go an hour away for a PS who has done thousands and came recommended by my friend who is a gynecological surgeon.

    From a recovery standpoint I still am a little jealous of the ladies who had direct implant recon and didn't touch their belly, but I think I'll be happy in the long run with my choice. Best of luck to you and PM me if you have any questions.

  • Iam38
    Iam38 Member Posts: 9
    edited September 2019

    HopeWins,

    Thank you for being so honest. I have been going back and forth with these two options. I have my DIEP surgery planned for tomorrow. Im still not one hundred percent sure this is the right option. Did you have the nipple sparing surgery?

  • Iam38
    Iam38 Member Posts: 9
    edited September 2019

    Hello Mavericksmom,

    Being diagnosed at 38 frightens me. I was given these options, Diep with nipple sparing, diep without nipple sparing and expanders. Now I thought well maybe I should just do a mastectomy on the right side, but if I do the flap, (flap can only be done once )then why not do both, because if the cancer comes back and I didn't remove it, then I'll have one implant and one with my own tissue. And what if I have issues with the implant. What if my body rejects the implants? With nipple sparing or implants you lose sensation in your nipples and the sensation doesn't come back, at least that's what I've heard from both sides of the surgery options. And nothing guarantees that the cancer may not return, and it may return as a different cancer and I dont want to have to go through the whole process again. It's a whirlwind of thoughts and probabilities, and its freaking scary.

  • HopeWins
    HopeWins Member Posts: 181
    edited September 2019

    yes, nipple and skin sparing

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