Stereotactic Biopsy- Help

SallyPWells
SallyPWells Member Posts: 6
edited August 2019 in Not Diagnosed But Worried

Hi,

I recently went in to get a biopsy for BIRADS 4 calcifications and learned that only local anesthesia is administered (I assumed I would at least be given conscious sedation, similar to a dentist office for teeth extraction). I tried to tough it out despite my deep fear of needles, however, once on the table/device- I panicked and almost fainted. The nurse hadn’t even started and was concerned about my ability to stay still once the scope was placed inside my breast. I walked out having no biopsy done. It was not possible.

What can be done for patients like myself that pose physical risk of harm due to fear of needles? I worry I’ll panic mid biopsy, faint, or have a fight/flight reaction and severely harm my breast. Can conscious sedation be requested by my doctor in these cases?

Please help. I don’t want to delay my biopsy any further.

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  • AC1965
    AC1965 Member Posts: 17
    edited August 2019

    I'm sorry you're going through this. I would ask the radiologist what options are available - they may suggest some sort of anti-anxiety medication if they don't offer a more general sedation. Honestly, I was a little surprised only a local was offered, but I did not feel my first biopsy, so it must have worked. One of the nurses kept me talking and made sure my head was turned so I could not see any part of the procedure, which was helpful.

  • SallyPWells
    SallyPWells Member Posts: 6
    edited August 2019

    AC1965 Thank you so much for your reply and kind words.

    I have an appointment with my PCP this week to discuss options. I'll post an update here.

  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited August 2019

    Hi SallyPWells,

    We definitely get it - it's not an easy procedure, particularly for someone with a fear of needles. Other members have mentioned being given anti-anxiety medication, and some offices do offer more sedation options for patients. We definitely second what AC1965 suggested, and talk to your doctor about what your options are, either a pre-biopsy med or something a bit stronger when it comes to sedation. Please let us know how it goes when you talk to your doctor!

    The Mods

  • SallyPWells
    SallyPWells Member Posts: 6
    edited August 2019

    Thank you so much for your reply. Will post an update once I meet with my doctor

  • djmammo
    djmammo Member Posts: 2,939
    edited August 2019

    A quick word about anesthesia and sedation.

    In medicine, a rule of thumb is not to employ a method of anesthesia that carries a greater health risk than the procedure for which it is being used. This is why conscious sedation (requiring IV administration) is not routinely used for breast biopsies.

    Many breast biopsies are performed in outpatient facilities and they will shy away from any form of anesthesia or sedation that requires IV access and might require CPR should there be an adverse reaction. Likewise things like propofol cannot be administered by anyone but an anesthesiologist and finding one in an outpatient facility would be rare indeed and add tremendous cost to the procedure.

    I have very rarely had anyone that could not be sufficiently numbed with lidocaine but many that had a degree of anxiety that accentuated the discomfort of the procedure to the point of requiring sedation. In these cases we would recommend the ordering physician prescribe oral anti-anxiety meds to be taken at home prior to the biopsy as long as someone comes with them to drive and receive discharge info for the patient. Signing the permit for the procedure may have to be done prior to sedation depending upon regulations at the facility.


  • Ingerp
    Ingerp Member Posts: 2,624
    edited August 2019

    Not sure if this will help but one of my kids was afraid of needles and was prescribed a single Valium to take before he had his wisdom teeth out. Maybe something like that would help?

  • SallyPWells
    SallyPWells Member Posts: 6
    edited August 2019

    Hi djmammo,

    Thank you for your response. I have trouble with this logic as it doesn't apply to other areas of medicine. Dental offices provide conscious sedation for patients who undergo tooth extraction, root canals and other procedures, despite the ability of being able to numb the localized area with lidocaine. It is to ensure the mental care of the patient undergoing a “frightening" procedure. I've mentioned already I have a traumatic response with needles and worry about injuring myself by moving or having a fight/flight response mid-procedure.

    I can white-knuckle seconds of getting blood drawn, but I cannot fathom having a moving needle inserted into my breast for 10 minutes. I almost fainted/got sick.

    I understand the bureaucratic process. I'm on this forum to get solutions and most importantly, hope.

  • SallyPWells
    SallyPWells Member Posts: 6
    edited August 2019

    Thank you for your response, Ingerp

  • OnTarget
    OnTarget Member Posts: 447
    edited August 2019

    I am not afraid of needles at all, and I had 3 biopsies. I was numbed with lidocaine for each and two didn't hurt at all, but one hurt a lot. It was my large, vascular looking cancer tumor. I'm pretty stoic, but it really hurt.

    So my point is that if you think you'll freak out, you'll probably want at least a sedative on board in case you are unlucky enough that the biopsy hurts.

  • SallyPWells
    SallyPWells Member Posts: 6
    edited August 2019

    Thank you for sharing your experience OnTarget. It's so helpful. I’m really sorry to hear about the painful biopsy.

    Do you know of facilities that offer IV sedation? Do you know if IV sedation is something your doctor can order for the facility to provide?

  • MelissaDallas
    MelissaDallas Member Posts: 7,268
    edited August 2019

    My breast center offers no sedation whatsoever.

  • JenInMass
    JenInMass Member Posts: 17
    edited August 2019

    I'm someone who wasn't able to have the stereotactic biopsy as planned. In my case it wasn't fear or anxiety - the radiologist and tech both commented on how relaxed I was - but I do have a history of vasovagal response (fancy speak for fainting) during medical procedures where pressure is involved. (Regular shots, blood draws, etc. are generally fine.) I passed out during the lidocaine injection at my first scheduled biopsy, and it was bad enough that they were almost ready to send me to the emergency department. I passed out again at a rescheduled biopsy, though this time they did at least get all the lidocaine administered first. The radiologist ended up calling my surgeon and we all agreed to do a surgical biopsy instead. Since I'd already been numbed they put a radiofrequency tracker in which meant I didn't need a wire placed for surgery. (Placing the tracker is a faster procedure than the stereotactic biopsy would have been so I didn't have time to faint.)

    I don't know if this is how it would play out for others. But in my case, basically, not being able to do the stereotactic biopsy meant we had to go with a more invasive, expensive, and inconvenient method (I guess the way things always had to be done before the current equipment and techniques were developed?) but I was still able to get the answer I needed.

  • djmammo
    djmammo Member Posts: 2,939
    edited August 2019

    SallyPWells

    To date I haven't run across a patient with your particular concerns.

    If you require being unconscious for this biopsy have it done in the breast imaging of a hospital or have a surgeon do an excisional biopsy in the OR as a short-stay patient.

    Good luck.

  • Sara536
    Sara536 Member Posts: 7,032
    edited August 2019

    djmammo, I’m just curious...If a dentist can numb a patient enough to do a root canal and leave her conscious, why can’t a radiologist do the same for a stereotactic biopsy? There must be a simple explanation. Thanks

  • djmammo
    djmammo Member Posts: 2,939
    edited August 2019

    Sara536

    We can and we do. It is the rare patient that does not respond to lidocaine alone for adequate pain relief during a breast biopsy and we encountered them on average once a year.

    The medical definition of "conscious sedation", the term used in the original post above, is an IV or IM sedative given along with the local anesthetic. Some patients take an oral anxiolytic (like Xanax) on the way to a breast biopsy to approximate this when performed in a typical outpatient imaging setting.

    Although attached physically to the hospital, our breast imaging section was classified as an outpatient facility and therefore was not allowed to give IV sedation as it requires trained personnel and dedicated monitoring and resuscitative equipment none of which we had nor had ever needed. X-ray tech training does not include these nursing skills. I once suggested we all be trained to use nitrous oxide for IR procedures but the hospital administrators declined my request.

    Although they are outpatient procedures, oral surgeons commonly use conscious sedation as their procedures require it for a majority of their patients and they have trained staff and the requisite monitoring equipment.

    See: https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article/007409.htm

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