Biopsy performed by Radiologist or Breast Surgeon?

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Mimi820
Mimi820 Member Posts: 82
edited August 2019 in Waiting for Test Results

Hi, I have been lurking like crazy after my mammogram and ultrasound yesterday. Went in for left breast pain (nipple area for last few months). Gyn ordered diagnostic mammogram and ultrasound. Left was “ok”, however, they saw two spots on my right breast!? Ultrasound tech was very quiet-Radiologist was nice but gave me NO inkling what she thought it could be. I asked about a cyst or Fibroadenoma (had one of those 10 years ago in left breast). She replied, “not cysts. One could be a fibroadenoma, and I’m not sure what the other mass is”. She requested I have a biopsy. Is it normal that they do not say anything-even if they think it’s one way or the other? Their silence was awkward and unnerving.

My question is, do I have the Radiologist do the biopsy or see my breast surgeon first? (I had already had an appt with the breast surgeon to ask about my left nipple pain-appt is next week) is there any difference, pro/cons? I just want the biopsy done already. Thank you for your advice. I’m a worried mess

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  • DiagnosisDisruption
    DiagnosisDisruption Member Posts: 108
    edited August 2019

    I went from mammogram to ultrasound (same day) to biopsy (two days later). The radiologist performed my needle ultrasound biopsy. I didn't see my surgeon until I had all my scans and reports.

    I had my 6 month mammogram in February, and she put my "cancer's there" mammogram from last year side by side. I have no idea how that tech kept a straight face without crying last year. You could see that spiculated mass clear as day.

  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited August 2019

    Yes, it is perfectly normal for a Radiologist to not speculate. She is recommending the biopsy precisely because she can't be sure what the mass is, so unless she has a really clear idea in advance (a BIRADs 4A biopsy or a BIRADs 5 biopsy), it makes sense to say nothing. Do you know the BIRADs rating of your imaging? That will provide a guide as to what the possibility of malignancy is. A BIRADs 4A biopsy has a less than 10% chance of being cancer. A BIRADs 5 biopsy has a 95% chance of being cancer. BIRADs 4B and 4C fall in-between. A BIRADs 4 (with no A,B,C,) has about a 20% - 25% chance.

    A core needle biopsy is best performed by a Radiologist - they are the experts on that procedure.

    A surgical biopsy, on the other hand, would be performed by a Surgeon.

    Good luck with the biopsy. Hoping for a benign result.

  • Mimi820
    Mimi820 Member Posts: 82
    edited August 2019

    Thanks for the replies! I am going to try to pick up my report today-if it’s ready. Looks like nothing will happen this week. Can’t get script for biopsy until Monday:/ Practitioner away until then. Mind as well wait to see Breast Dr Thursday at that point

  • GiddyupGirl
    GiddyupGirl Member Posts: 240
    edited August 2019

    Mimi: my BS referred me to radiologist for the needle biopsy (ultrasound guided).

  • AliceBastable
    AliceBastable Member Posts: 3,461
    edited August 2019

    I had an ultrasound about a week after the mammogram. The appointment was set up for "ultrasound and possible biopsy." The u/s tech had the radiologist come in to look at her findings, and they did the biopsy right there in the u/s room (after some prep, of course). It was all very smooth and considerate.

  • edj3
    edj3 Member Posts: 2,076
    edited August 2019

    My biopsy was also done by my radiologist.

    In my case, the sequence of events was regular 3D mammogram, diagnostic mammogram + ultrasound shortly after that (not the same day), biopsy Friday of that same week at the same location as all the mammograms, call on Tuesday to say welcome to the BC club.

  • Lukesmom17
    Lukesmom17 Member Posts: 18
    edited August 2019

    I was escorted from my mammo to ultrasound and spoke with the radiologist. They then took me to do the biopsy just an hour later or so. Maybe that's unusual.

  • Trishyla
    Trishyla Member Posts: 1,005
    edited August 2019

    Same for me, Lukesmom. All three of my biopsies were done by the radiologist within an hour of an ultrasound. Great guy. Tried very hard not to hurt me, even though one was right behind the nipple. (Very painful area for a biopsy)

    Here's hoping for benign results, Mimi820.

    Trish

  • Mimi820
    Mimi820 Member Posts: 82
    edited August 2019

    I was able to pick up my report. It states my BiRads is 4b. Two right breasts masses about 1cm. One described as Lobulated margins 1.0 x 0.6 x 0.8 cm Hypoechoic mass and no internal flow. The other is slightly smaller described as oval circumscribed Hypoechoic mass with no internal flow.

    Radiologist wants to biopsy the first mass listed.

  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited August 2019

    BIRADs 4B indicates that the Radiologist assesses the cancer risk to be >10% but <50%.

    Hypoechoic means the mass is solid, not fluid, i.e. it's not a fluid-filled cyst.

    https://breast-cancer.ca/ultrahypo-echosolid/

  • Lala-44
    Lala-44 Member Posts: 50
    edited August 2019

    My breast surgeon preformed my ultrasound guided core biopsy. It went perfectly and I also have breast implants

  • SUPer52
    SUPer52 Member Posts: 122
    edited August 2019

    Mimi, when I was informed by the radiologist reading my mammogram that I was being referred for a biopsy, she told me another radiologist would perform the procedure since it was to be a stereotactic biopsy and not an excisional biopsy. She also told me that they refer for biopsy anytime the chance of malignancy is greater than 2%.

    I knew I wanted to go somewhere else for the biopsy and any necessary follow up treatments, so I had my images and records sent to a breast surgeon at a dedicated breast care facility about an hour and a half away. He called me to say that they (he and the radiologist there) agreed the area should be biopsied and scheduled an appointment for me to consult with him. At that consultation, he explained the findings on my mammogram more thoroughly, pointing out that there were actually two areas of concern. He then scheduled me for the biopsy which was performed by a radiologist, but he also said that one of the areas to be biopsied would be difficult to get to and if the radiologist wasn't able to get to it, then he would perform a surgical biopsy. The first radiologist never said anything about two different areas of concern, so I was glad that I had my report and images reviewed by the surgeon. It only added a few days to the entire process even though I went out of town for that second opinion. (although of course at the time it felt eternal).

    I'm sorry that you had to wait over a weekend before you could start to move forward with your plan. I can empathize about just wanting the biopsy done already.

    Best of luck to you and hoping for benign results!!!

  • Mimi820
    Mimi820 Member Posts: 82
    edited August 2019

    thank you SUPer52 for your information. I’ve been thinking a lot about this. I’m going to try and see if my biopsy prescription was written by my primaryso I can make an appt. praying I can schedule it this week. Thank you and I will keep you posted!

  • Mimi820
    Mimi820 Member Posts: 82
    edited August 2019

    Hi, I wanted to wait to post after this ordeal was over with! What a horrible two weeks of agony and emotions! I had my biopsy last Wednesday. Dr decided to biopsy both masses in my right breast. Said one looked like Fibroadenoma and the other was questionable. Said it would take 3-5 business days for results. Got the call this morning to go in for results. Thankfully they were both benign Fibroadenomas! I’m 46 and a little surprised I have them -not picked up in previous imaging, but I guess any age can get them. I had gone in for LEFT breast pain when the two spots came up on my right side. I had one Fibroadenoma removed over 10 years ago in my left breast that I found while breastfeeding my daughter. It popped out near the nipple area.

    While I am beyond grateful for this diagnosis, I just wish there could be better ways to go through this process. I realize everything comes down to insurance and money, staff, equipment, etc but Istrongly feel if a woman needs a biopsy they should know the results the same day. Just as they do in the hospital with ‘frozen sections’, having a pathologist read the biopsy then and there would save many women anxiety and worry-that is awful! Hopefully in the future we will have a better streamlined process as well as better detection on imaging also decreasing the need for biopsies (although I realize they are necessary to be certain).

    Thank you all your Support!

  • AliceBastable
    AliceBastable Member Posts: 3,461
    edited August 2019

    Think how many more pathologists each facility would need, plus the lab space to hold them, and all the costs involved!

  • Mimi820
    Mimi820 Member Posts: 82
    edited August 2019

    I agree and understand it would be costly. Maybe then have them done solely at a hospital-then it would become an insurance issue and probably higher costs. it’s a shame everything is controlled by insurance

  • MelissaDallas
    MelissaDallas Member Posts: 7,268
    edited August 2019

    I'm pretty sure anyone having a biopsy for anything (not just breasts) feels the same way women do about breast biopsies. Probably a lot of things with a much higher percentage chance of coming back positive than breast biopsies too.

  • SUPer52
    SUPer52 Member Posts: 122
    edited August 2019

    Great news that everything is benign!!! Thanks for letting us know your results. And be sure to celebrate your good news!

  • AliceBastable
    AliceBastable Member Posts: 3,461
    edited August 2019

    MelissaDallas, yes. When we're first diagnosed, a lot of us think we're the only person going through a medical rough patch.

  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited August 2019

    Mimi, glad your results were benign.

    Are you aware that in most cases frozen sections that are analyzed by Pathologists during surgery provide preliminary results only? I've been hanging around here a long time, and I can't tell you how often I've seen women come out of surgery thinking that they are node negative because nothing was seen in the quick analysis of the frozen section, but once the more thorough post-surgical pathology results are available several days later, they find out that they are in fact node positive. It's devastating.

    For this reason, my hospital (a leading cancer-only hospital) won't do frozen sections/intraoperative pathology unless there is a strong expectation that cancer will be found and this finding will impact/change the surgery in process. In most breast cancer cases where it's not apparent from previous imaging that the nodes are likely to be positive, a frozen section is not done.

    We all wish that the process was more patient-friendly, not just for biopsies, but for surgical pathology and for imaging reports. Progress is being made, but sometimes if you want something done properly and thoroughly, it takes time. And in the case of pathology and radiation assessments, it usually takes 2 sets of eyes before a report is released.

  • Mimi820
    Mimi820 Member Posts: 82
    edited August 2019

    Bessie, you make many good points. I was unaware of the frozen section information.

    Thank you for informing me on such a topic that has so many different areas of thought and all the processes involved. I have learned worry is like a thief and how it robs one of their normalcy and creates anxiety. I just wish I could take away these situations (testing, biopsies, etc) or at least help make them less stressful for others.

  • april1964
    april1964 Member Posts: 223
    edited August 2019

    do they need the frozen sections to send to Oncotype places ?


  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited August 2019

    April, no. The Pathology Lab prepares a tissue sample from the cancer removed during surgery.

  • april1964
    april1964 Member Posts: 223
    edited August 2019

    thanks Beesie!!

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