Is anyone else an atheist with BC besides me?

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  • VLH
    VLH Member Posts: 1,258
    edited July 2019

    I don't want to make anyone feel attacked, but I admit that I was surprised at how the commentary here seems to often skew toward being anti-religious rather than pro-atheism if that makes sense. I even went back to read the original post a couple of times over the past several months:

    "Hi I am newly diagnosed and I know alot of people rely on their faith for support and find great peace with that, however I am a atheist and was wondering if anyone else here was also."

    When I initially visited and asked about coping with a cancer diagnosis without faith, everyone was exceptionally gracious about sharing what they find comforting or motivating, such as communing with nature and meditation. Similarly, you generously shared your thoughts with TravelText in support of his interesting article. However, the thread seems to inevitably move back to disparaging comments about this religion or that person attending a church of a particular denomination.

    Don't get me wrong, we've all known a Church Lady who is a little more special than everyone else. The pastor of a Southern Baptist church I attended briefly basically kicked me out when I asked too many questions about why women weren't pastors there. He phrased it in genteel fashion suggesting I might be "happier at a more liberal church." When I attended a more liberal church, my pastor and I went round and round about homosexuality. He kept equating it to single people remaining chaste, which I rejected because I could get married one day, but gay marriage wasn't legal in my state so a gay person would be expected to be celibate forever. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I could never reconcile the supernatural aspect of Christian belief. Added to philosophical differences, I walked away knowing that would put me at odds with most of my family and friends.

    Why, then, have I found myself conflicted about the criticism of religion that periodically dominates here? I think it's because I've encountered an incredible kindness and generosity of not just spirit, but time, money and energy given by my Christian and Jewish friends. I've not experienced any of the cruelty some of you have mentioned. Although I'll speak up loudly on matters like separation of church and state or defense of gay marriage, I still know that many of my moral values stem from Judeo-Christian beliefs.

    I can't see the deleted posts from Joesomebody,. It's unfortunate timing that I finally got around to writing this note and it comes on the heels of what were apparently rude and disrespectful comments. That's unacceptable. Still, there frequently seems to be a negative tone that feels dispiriting. We all arrived at rejecting organized religion via our own paths and I think it's important to have a place to vent. As has been noted, there are numerous prayer-related threads, but a dearth of threads for those who don't believe in divine intervention. I've greatly enjoyed many of the quotes I've seen here and the tots and pears cartoon cracked me up. I'm simply sharing my perception that it sometimes feels like there is an emphasis on what religious folks are doing wrong instead of speaking to the positive impact of atheistic beliefs. I acknowledge that I'm not sure if I would properly define myself as an agnostic or an atheist, but I am trying to garner wisdom from the experiences of those of you who have walked this walk longer than I. Whew! If you read this far, thank you!

    Lyn


  • HikingLady
    HikingLady Member Posts: 650
    edited July 2019

    VLH - You make some thoughtful and good points. Agreed. This thread has included what you describe; negative stories about religion. Yes, also criticism. And, as you also point out, we need this space to be a safe place to vent. Like you, I've certainly also known very kind and wonderful people who are religious.

    I have, unfortunately, seen religion do a lot of harm to people in my life. I've seen hypocrisy and exclusion up close. Worldwide, I worry about the power of organized religion. For some of us, coming to atheism is attached to negative church experiences. My Secular Humanist guiding principles live alongside disappointment with religion.

    It's like the white space in a painting, whose presence emphasizes the rest of the image. The absence of religion is the presence of atheism for me, and it's hard to separate those two thoughts, and not reflect on why I'm choosing my path.

    I am grateful for this space. I'm interested to hear everyone's stories, both positive and negative observations. I'm appreciating hearing so many varied points of view.

  • Traveltext
    Traveltext Member Posts: 2,089
    edited July 2019

    The article is here:
    http://malebc.org/thanks-for-your-offer-of-prayer-...

    magiclight, One of the stories was from the point of view of a male with bc, that was the author's voice, mine. We need to get some more men posting here on atheism!

    Yndorian1, Faith would be another article, I'd suggest. Faith obviously is a part of most religions, but having faith does not require any religion.



  • santabarbarian
    santabarbarian Member Posts: 3,085
    edited July 2019

    I have several close friends who I would describe as very religious, in a "walk the walk" way. They have no problem with my atheism. They see that my value system and behavior in the world are similar to theirs. I notice their non-judgement, goodness and love. We get to the same place, but in different ways.

    Different inner beliefs do not have to preclude intimacy and love between sympatico people!

  • MountainMia
    MountainMia Member Posts: 1,307
    edited July 2019

    santabarbarian, I agree! I also have good friends like that. Their faith supports their lives. They are good people and treat others with respect and kindness. Having faith or following a religion doesn't make that impossible.

  • jo6359
    jo6359 Member Posts: 2,279
    edited July 2019

    Mountainmia and santabarbara- I have several very close friends who are devout and they practice their faith daily with kindness, generosity and compassion for others . My brother is also a minister and he is a very generous and loving person . On this site, I do find it beneficial to share the negative as well as the positive stories on atheism. In my eyes, the key word is respecting others opinions even if you don't agree with those opinions.

  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 2,755
    edited July 2019

    Always respect people. Opinions are another matter. One can dispute, refute, or repudiate opinions.


  • jo6359
    jo6359 Member Posts: 2,279
    edited July 2019

    ananda8- you are correct. You can respect the person without respecting the opinion. I worded it poorly.

  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 2,755
    edited July 2019
  • Wren44
    Wren44 Member Posts: 8,585
    edited July 2019

    Absolutely love it!

  • AliceBastable
    AliceBastable Member Posts: 3,461
    edited July 2019

    Well, that pretty much says it all!

  • santabarbarian
    santabarbarian Member Posts: 3,085
    edited July 2019
  • jo6359
    jo6359 Member Posts: 2,279
    edited July 2019

    ananada8- love it

  • Spookiesmom
    Spookiesmom Member Posts: 9,568
    edited July 2019

    👍👍❤️❤️.

  • magiclight
    magiclight Member Posts: 8,690
    edited July 2019

    Just watched a sort of funny movie - Hippopotamus - that's about a boy with 'miraculous' powers. Language and sex is definitely not PG. The acting is great, the poetic references worthwhile and the plot is congruous with the beliefs we all discuss here - do stay for its entirely or skip ahead to the last 10-15 minutes.

  • GiddyupGirl
    GiddyupGirl Member Posts: 240
    edited July 2019

    Best thing ever

  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 2,755
    edited July 2019
  • santabarbarian
    santabarbarian Member Posts: 3,085
    edited July 2019

    I was busy binge-ing The Handmaid's Tale

  • DogMomRunner
    DogMomRunner Member Posts: 616
    edited July 2019

    I love the Handmaid's Tale. Don't love that we may be heading that way though, would prefer it remain fiction

  • TB90
    TB90 Member Posts: 992
    edited July 2019

    Ananda8: that touched me in the deepest sense. My life is so overwhelming right now for so many reasons. I sent a copy to my boss. We are both overwhelmed in a field that can mean life or death. Sometimes just reading words that we don’t have time to express is so healing. Thanks

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited July 2019

    Funny - I too just re-read the Handmaid's Tale. Since I haven't seen any of the TV shows, it was almost new. I liked it as much as I did when it first came out.

  • illimae
    illimae Member Posts: 5,710
    edited July 2019

    ananda, I agree with TB90, that busy quote is great.

    I just started watching the Handmaids tale and am enjoying it but it also makes me angry from anatheist and child free by choice view, that whole you’re nothing but a breeder BS really irks me. After a few episodes I usually watch a female lead detective show for balance.

  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 2,755
    edited July 2019
  • magiclight
    magiclight Member Posts: 8,690
    edited July 2019

    Ananda...An eye opening reality

  • Wren44
    Wren44 Member Posts: 8,585
    edited July 2019

    Ananda, That is great!!!

  • AliceBastable
    AliceBastable Member Posts: 3,461
    edited July 2019

    I've saved that to share with my friends. And some not-so-friends. 😏

  • DogMomRunner
    DogMomRunner Member Posts: 616
    edited July 2019

    illimae - I am also childfree (tubes tied 19 years ago). I can't cook, can't bear kids so I guess in the Handmaid's world I'd have to go to the camps.

    Love the meme Ananda

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited July 2019

    Interesting article about creating a "church" community w/o God

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/07/...

  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 2,755
    edited July 2019

    MinusTwo,

    Thanks for the article. The one aspect of the non religious that the article left out is the need for community. I think many people drop out of religion in part because they aren't 'joiners' to begin with. As for atheists, most of us have only two or three things in common at the start. We have no belief in a deity. We tend to read more than the average person. We are comfortable with solitude. Any two of those three things make joining as supporting a secular church only mildly attractive. Just my opinion but perhaps my hypothesis is more about me than about the average atheist.

  • magiclight
    magiclight Member Posts: 8,690
    edited July 2019

    Minus...Informative article about forming a community without god or other central focus and no tithing for financial support. Communities to which I belong are all activity/interest related and because many of those activities occur on the weekends, most members (use that term loosely) are not churchgoers. Steady doses of sitting inside listening to sermons, talks, and the like are not my cup of tea, but I expect are for many as that provides an avenue for creating community in other realms.

    I noticed when talking to a new neighbor she repeatedly used the words "blessed' or, 'thank god' which I see as words that determine if I was likewise god focused. On the other hand, when I use words like 'fortunate' or 'random' maybe I too am looking to see if we belong to the same 'community'. Obviously, we did not. Sex and politics are definitely out of initial conversations, so a powerful way to determine if another belongs to my god/not god community is with the use of those terms.

    Ananda, agree that being part of some community is pretty important. As another mostly non-joiner I relish lots of alone time and enthusiastically embraced solo travel. On one of those solo trips in Europe I stayed at a convent that earned its livelihood by providing lodging. Most enjoyable.

    Conversations in this thread do feed my need for community and deeply appreciate all here. Guess this is my Sunday morning community Heart

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