Is anyone else an atheist with BC besides me?
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Alic...so cute/funny
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Thanks to the respondents writing on your resilience and atheism. The article is here:
http://malebc.org/thanks-for-your-offer-of-prayer-...
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Very nice, Traveltext. Clear, concise and no snark. Not sure I could have pulled that part off. I really, really don't like organized religion.
Trish
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Well done, Traveltext. Have you gotten any feed back from other members of the malebc site?
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Rod, very nicely done. I appreciate having our perspectives out there. I echo these words above, especially Trishyla. I also wonder if I could have pulled it off without snark! When religion is hurled at me (always uninvited, like a party crasher you could do without), I have a hard time keeping a straight face and being civil, and I have to bite my tongue. Much blood.
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traveltext-well written and carefully crafted to share stories from real people without being snarky. Good job.
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thank you for sharing Rod! Always cool to see other folks blogs :-)
Nicely written! And also nice to “hear” other folks POVs all in one place.
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Thanks for the positive feedback. Yes, low on snark factor. Easier said than done haha.
Actually, I was thinking that nobody I know ever said they'd pray for me. Then I realised that my country is not overtly religious.
"The growing percentage of Australia's population reporting no religion has been a trend for decades, and is accelerating. Those reporting no religion increased noticeably from 19 per cent in 2006 to 30 per cent in 2016." Government Statistician.
I'll spread this story on social media and post here if there's feedback.
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Nice! Very respectful to all but also clear on not needing religion.
Okay, here's a new rant. A friend posted on FB about Luis Alvarez, the 9-11 responder who testified with Jon Stewart, going into hospice. One of my friend's super-religious pals wrote "I'm praying to Jesus to remove this cancer!" Not only stupid, but pretty damn offensive and egotistical if she thinks HER prayer is the one Jeebus will listen to? What a dumb cow.
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I'm with you, AliceBastable, and chiming in with you on your rant. Yes, it is so egotistical to think that if I pray loudly enough and am in the right club, I get the attention of the Decider Deity. That puppeteer deity is apparently very busy deciding which cancer to cure, which sports team loses, which side "wins" a war, which people die in a concentration camp, which children die of cancer and malnutrition...
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alice- I heard the same thing. How ridiculous!!! You would think if his family and friends prayers didn't do the trick, strangers prayers wouldn't either. Kudos to this 911 responder who is in hospice and still advocating for compensation for those who responded and were adversely affected by the toxins and PTSD .
For the past several days I've juggled clients around to visit my elderly neighbor in the hospital. She is deeply religious. She's also incorrigible . One of the nurses came in yesterday and told her "You should thank God you did wonderful with your surgery. My friends response was, "I'm not thanking God for this one I'm thanking my surgeon" The nurse was not amused but stifled a comment and walked off without saying another word. My little friend looked at me and says "I call them as I see them"
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Jo6359, your friend may be deeply religious, but she's got a ton of common sense. What a great response!
I'm on another board for a different cancer (🙄), and when someone posts they've had a clean follow-up scan, there are always a bunch of repetitive "Thank gawd" replies. I like to stick in some "Thank your surgeons" and "Thank modern medicine" comments just to bring some reality.
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If praying worked, my tumor would have been a fibroadenoma. All of my husband's family was praying for it to be benign. I think if it helps that person to pray, makes them feel good to think that there is someone listening to them then that's great. But what goes through their mind when it turns out to be a malignant tumor or ALS or dementia. Do they blame god, do they think they didn't pray hard enough
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When I was in 4th grade the father of one of my classmates died. The nuns had taught us that if we prayed for something and didn't get it, it meant that either we didn't pray hard enough or that we were praying for something that wasn't good for us. (Seriously.) Now, how does that make a nine-year-old girl who just lost her daddy feel?
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pingpong1953 That's an excellent example of the great harm that religion can do. Ghastly. Certainly, it added to the trauma that the little girl was already going through. God Knows Best is a very weird rabbit hole to go down. Then we're somehow supposed to accept that evil, tragedies, and inflicting more trauma on a child is justified. Ridiculous.
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I agree with you HikingLady. It is absolutely ridiculous; and I don't think we should be placid and quiet when we can see the harms it's causing.
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My mother died when I was 4 and they told me God wanted her in heaven. In Sunday School they said God loved me. My thought was 'he sure has a funny way of showing it' and I've been alienated ever since. I guess the religious family members felt better thinking that, but it didn't fly with me. I was lucky to be raised by my maternal grandparents for the rest of my life. About 2nd grade I decided I just had 2 mothers and called them Mom and Dad.
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My cap was when I asked a priest why birth control was so bad. (I was 19 and not married). He said we were commanded to go forth an multiply. I responded that we have done too good a job and what would be the solution to overpopulation? Wait for it.... He said god would provide by sending a plague or world war to reduce the population. Bye Bye.
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Joseph Campbell probably influenced me most initially with his writing about myths. God, or the Hero with a Thousand Faces (Campbell's book), sealed my own realization that gods in their many forms are all part of a universal mythology that almost universally is a man-god hero. Pulling the god myth apart piece by piece and replacing the hero with the shero while simultaneously learning how to live without the placeholder of god.
Pema Chodron, a Buddhist nun has been my steady guide for decades. She wrote: "The difference between theism and nontheism is not whether one does or does not believe in God… Theism is a deep-seated conviction that there's some hand to hold: if we just do the right things, someone will appreciate us and take care of us. It means thinking there's always going to be a babysitter available when we need one. We all are inclined to abdicate our responsibilities and delegate our authority to something outside ourselves. Nontheism is relaxing with the ambiguity and uncertainty of the present moment without reaching for anything to protect ourselves."
Every time a person looks skyward and thanks god, it makes me sad for them as their ultimate reliance is on a mythic symbol and not themselves.
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Great quote and true.
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Many times they say God said NO
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Here's a story with a lighter note. My aunt, who was completely unchurched, married a devout Catholic in the early 1940s. He continued to go to church every day, and she never went, but cooked breakfast while he was gone. My grandparents were not churchy, either - I have no idea what they thought about religion; it never came up. So Aunt Hazel had only the most fleeting acquaintance with Christianity, probably mostly from Christmas music. Somehow, they made their marriage work. I think there were initial problems with his family, but those resolved over the years. They had no children. As my mother said, "We don't ask." In the late 1970s, Uncle Clarence developed pancreatic cancer, and like with most people with that, he declined rapidly. After treatment was deemed to be no more use, he came home to die. It was beautiful watching her care for him, and his good humor even when he could no longer lift his hand to feed himself. She left the room when his priest came to pray, but they developed a cordial relationship. As was inevitable, Uncle Clarence died, and his funeral was Catholics on the left, heathens who had no idea what to do on the right. At some point after the interment, the priest had private words with my aunt. From that day on, she claimed her husband was not buried in that cemetery, but had been moved elsewhere. We chalked it up to the stress of being his full-time nurse for months. Then we thought she was, perhaps, slightly batty. It wasn't until years later that the rest of the family put our heads together and realized that the priest had told her that Clarence had gone to a better place. Ah, well, it gave her something to do, trying to figure out where the dear departed had departed to.
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Definitely a lighter note. Communication sure is tricky.
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yesterday I went to what was called a celebration of life. It turned out to be a dreary almost funeral. All kinds of hymns and Bible verses. So I just left. I didn't know any of the family. The friends I see a lot. Bummer
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SoCalLisa, that's a shame. The service for my friend who died this Spring was just a few weeks ago. It was in a newer garden area of a lovely old, huge city cemetery. The gardens line walkways around the curved columbarium. The service had no mention of religion, although I think Dina was vaguely religious. She was a talented singer and musician, so the speakers were her friends from the chorus and band, plus those who worked with her at her music-related part-time jobs. She had a great sense of humor, which is what everyone emphasized. Her chorus and a group from her band provided entertainment, then we had a pot-luck picnic. It was perfect.
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Lisa, That's as bad as the service we went to for a neighbor who died suddenly. They were singing all 5 verses of hymns off tune. I think the people were Lutheran. Never going there again. Beyond tedious.
I think a party is the right way to go. Ok to put out snapshots, but no microphone that gets passed around for people to drone on and on.
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Oh Wren - all the verses!!! It's my experience living in a VERY religious state that it's better to go to the viewing the night before & skip the main service. That way I can pay my respects to the dead and to the family w/o hearing the preaching. If the family is Catholic, I can still greet & express my condolences before they start the Rosary.
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I continue to visit my elderly neighbor in the hospital. Even though she is a devout Greek Orthodox, she's becoming quite frustrated with her church friends. They all pray for her but not one of them has offered to assist with anything. She asked several of her friends yesterday to come to the hospital for half hour or so to give her daughter and myself a break. Every single one of them informed her they had luncheons, bingo, family activities but the important thing is they would keep her in their prayers. WTF. My elderly neighbor does not drive( paid driver when needed) but when her friends are hospitalized or dealing with a serious family situation, she has offered to bring them food, sit with them, and even grocery shop for them. They have all taken advantage of her generosity and she has no regrets. I know on many of these threads some of our BC girls and guys rely on their church friends to assist them and and the church friends do provide assistance. For my friend, it has been six days in the hospital and not one Church friend has shown up. But the most important thing is they will be praying for her. Sarcasm
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I was just at a wedding this weekend. A non-religious family member married into a very religious family. The father of the bride (religious side) gave a wonderful heartfelt speech. BUT there was definitely a lot of words of prayer and thanking of god in the speech. My brother and I tried to not make eye contact because we have this issue where when anyone brings up religion prayers or god we start cracking up uncontrollably. 😬 fortunately this time, we behaved ourselves 😉. All in all, it was a mostly religious-free wedding! Impressive!!
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Minus, I've lived in Houston too, so I know what you mean. The majority of people here are cremated so very few viewings happen. You've got the right idea, though. Go and greet, then disappear. I'm getting to the age where I know a lot of elderly people, so funerals and memorials are more often.
When DS got married he and his wife were working for the Institute for Bird Populations so a lot of the guests were birders. DH did a toast which was a bit of a story about the couple composed mostly of bird names. He must have mentioned at least 100 bird species. Several people asked for copies, but he hadn't written it down beforehand.
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