​No lymphedema, so why compression sleeve for air travel?

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Anonymous
Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
edited July 2019 in Lymphedema

I may be taking a flight next month and was advised to wear a compression sleeve. I don't have lymphedema but was told this is a preventive measure. Is sleeve really necessary for someone like me?

I called and found out these sleeves cost between $150 and $300, or more, and are not covered by insurance. Wow! I'm going to be fitted later today, though I'm not going to buy until my trip is confirmed.

I see they sell compression sleeves on Amazon for around $20.00. If I don't have lymphedema, why do I have to buy a sleeve from a specialist?

Do those breast cancer patients who do NOT have lymphedema use a sleeve when they travel?

Thank you.

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  • SummerAngel
    SummerAngel Member Posts: 1,006
    edited May 2019

    I never use one, and was advised by my LANA-certified physical therapist that she never recommends one for those who do not yet have any symptoms of lymphedema. I've flown quite a few times since my surgery, including to the UK last summer, with no issues.

  • letsgogolf
    letsgogolf Member Posts: 263
    edited May 2019

    I don't have lymphedema and was told by my therapist to wear a sleeve when I fly, which I have done. She said that she has had patients who went for years without an issue and then suddenly flared up after flying or even from a bee sting or insect bite.

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited May 2019

    I've been on several international flights after dx and stopped wearing it a few years ago. I went to China last year and had no problems. There are some mixed ideas about the value of those sleeves now. But, my insurance did cover the cost, so it was just the inconvenience that factored into my decision.

  • SummerAngel
    SummerAngel Member Posts: 1,006
    edited May 2019

    My therapist stressed that the most important thing I could do to prevent lymphedema is to maintain a normal weight. She said that she has seen women develop it years after surgery, but the key risk factors are:

    • Radiation to the area
    • Many nodes removed
    • Overweight
    • Chemo (possibly, but there's no evidence)
  • Ingerp
    Ingerp Member Posts: 2,624
    edited May 2019

    I've never used one.

  • Peacetoallcuzweneedit
    Peacetoallcuzweneedit Member Posts: 233
    edited May 2019

    Yes I wear one...my BS said compression bra and lymph therapist said sleeve and gauntlet every time I fly period. I don't have it and don't want it...it can appear years after the surgeries and once it is there it is there for good. Yes I have low risk....but to me doesn't matter. I paid 100 for the bra and ~50 out of pocket for the sleeve and gauntlet. I've worn them on 14hr flights, and then on 1hr flights. I have forgotten the bra on 2 flights and no problems. It is now something I just add to the packing list....

  • Fritzmylove
    Fritzmylove Member Posts: 330
    edited May 2019

    My lymphedema specialist told me that there is debate to whether flying increases your risk of developing LE, or if it’s more lugging heavy suitcases around and lifting them up over your head to put in the overhead bin. She recommends I wear one when I fly just in case. Insurance covered 90% of mine with a prescription from my surgeon.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2019

    Thank you everyone for your responses. Peacetoallcuzweneedit, no one has ever mentioned a compression bra to me. What's that all about?

    Also, did any of you have these professionally fitted, or are the one's from Amazon or a place like this okay?

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited May 2019

    viewfinder - you can use the professional's measurements and compression level to purchase products online, you are not required to use whoever does those measurements for purchase, particularly if your insurance does not cover the garments. I would have the fitting done but not necessarily purchase from them - their prices seem exorbitant. If you can wear an "off the shelf" size it is easy to order a sleeve and hand protection (gauntlet or glove) online from a reputable source. My Juzo sleeve is about $60, Juzo gauntlet is approx. $20, so less than $100 for both, and you should not wear a sleeve without hand protection as swelling is difficult to control if it forms in the hand. Your link is who I would purchase from online - I don't need to do this because insurance covers my garments, but the linked site has the exact same product I use the Soft 2000. The place I get my garments charges the same price as the linked site.

  • hapa
    hapa Member Posts: 920
    edited May 2019

    Lymphedema is poorly understood and a lot of the current recommendations are more or less made up. I was also told to buy a sleeve and gauntlet and wear it when I fly. I bring it with me just in case I get some swelling (for any reason, not just from flying) but have never worn it. If you do get a flare up and address it quickly, it is reversible most of the time. I believe actual studies did not show a link between flying and lymphedema. Ditto for needle sticks and acupuncture.

  • LaughingGull
    LaughingGull Member Posts: 560
    edited May 2019

    I consulted with a lymphedema therapist and she said there is no evidence supporting use of a compression garment when flying. Her recommendation was to stay hydrated and move often when flying.

  • vlnrph
    vlnrph Member Posts: 1,632
    edited May 2019

    The reason there is no evidence is that controlled studies would be very difficult to design and complete due to so many confounding factors. The amount of poor information out there, perpetrated even by health professionals is astounding. Every person needs to educate themselves and take appropriate action.

    Look at http://www.stepup-speakout.org for a comprehensive review. Better safe than sorry!

  • SummerAngel
    SummerAngel Member Posts: 1,006
    edited May 2019

    There really is a lack of proper studies, and many physical therapists are not specifically trained in preventing/treating lymphedema. Here are a few studies regarding the topic:

    https://www.clinical-breast-cancer.com/article/S1526-8209(17)30605-5/pdf

    "air travel was not adversely associated with the development of lymphedema"

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28976793

    "Multivariable analysis demonstrated that having a body mass index ≥ 25 kg/m2 at the time of breast cancer diagnosis ( P = .0404), having undergone axillary lymph node dissection ( P = .0464), and receipt of adjuvant chemotherapy ( P = .0161) were significantly associated with increased arm volume. Conclusion Blood pressure readings, blood draws, injections, and number or duration of flights were not significantly associated with increases in arm volume in this cohort."

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26644530

    "In 3,041 measurements, there was no significant association between relative volume change or weight-adjusted change increase and undergoing one or more blood draws (P = .62), injections (P = .77), number of flights (one or two [P = .77] and three or more [P = .91] v none), or duration of flights (1 to 12 hours [P = .43] and 12 hours or more [P = .54] v none). By multivariate analysis, factors significantly associated with increases in arm volume included body mass index ≥ 25 (P = .0236), axillary lymph node dissection (P < .001), regional lymph node irradiation (P = .0364), and cellulitis (P < .001)."

    This article was one my LANA-certified therapist (who has published articles on step up speak out) cited when she said she doesn't recommend a sleeve:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14965648/

    "There was no significant difference in lymphoedema rates for fliers (11.2%) and non-fliers (8.3%). No woman reported permanent (new or increased) swelling after flying. Of the nine reporting temporary swelling, six reported 1-3 concurrent potential risk factors...We conclude that domestic air travel (<4.5 h) is low risk and that compression devices are possibly counterproductive."

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2019

    Thanks for all the links to information about lymphedema and compression sleeves and gloves. I sincerely appreciate all the time you've spent sharing your opinions and articles on the topic.

    I had my arm measured today. I don't need a custom sleeve or glove but they still cost $220 and are not covered by insurance. That's a lot of money for me but better be safe than sorry if it's something I really need.

    The way the gal explained it is that these garments are not only for flying, but can be used when lifting or getting a bug bite or cut in the arm. For example, I moved my bed the other day and I've been hurting ever since. She said I could have used the compression garments for things like this and gardening. Does this sound right?

    I didn't order anything yet because I want to do more research and studying.

    This old study, Compression prophylaxis may increase the potential for flight-associated lymphoedema after breast cancer treatment (2002 Feb;11), concludes:

    "We conclude that domestic air travel (<4.5 h) is low risk and that compression devices are possibly counterproductive."

    But it is an old study.

    Lots of heavy duty reading ahead of me the next few days!

  • vlnrph
    vlnrph Member Posts: 1,632
    edited May 2019

    From the first link summerangel provided above: 107 of 1189 patients (9%) with a documented history of air travel developed lymphedema compared with 204 of 2356 patients (8.7%) who had not flown... This was a statement in the abstract - the full report is behind a paywall.

    Keep in mind that an extremity can have subclinical LE [fluid is present but not reflected by measurements]!

    A cursory reading of the literature might lead one who has just a single risk factor to ask “Could I end up in the 9-11% after flying?”

  • vlnrph
    vlnrph Member Posts: 1,632
    edited May 2019

    Since two of you list references to Graham's 2002 publication in Breast, here's the Su-So analysis.

    ‘The author surveyed his own patients about flying and only 24% of his patients used garments with air travel, he followed his patients, most of whom had ALND, for 4-11 (sic) months and determined that based on self-reported survey, which he determined was equivalent to 2 arm measurements, and accurate for diagnosing lymphedema—which is not proven nor sensitive, that compression increased the rate of lymphedema. These women were very high risk: most with ALND, many positive nodes and radiation and the causality of developing lymphedema after air flight with compression, was not conclusively proven in this study.

    For viewfinder, our original poster, I think moving furniture/doing garden work would be good times to employ precautions. Like maybe calling in some favors and having help from a couple of strong teenagers!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2019

    vlnrph, I know. I should have asked my grandson. Lesson learned.

  • 1redgirl
    1redgirl Member Posts: 133
    edited May 2019

    I technically do not have lymphedema per my PT last yr, but I must wear a compression stocking on my arm at all times. I also still wear compression around my breasts when sleeping. If I do not, I feel like I am filling up. It feels tight. I buy what I need in the surgical shop at our local hospital. My PT person used these bandages on me last yr and now I just buy when mine get too old. They come in different sizes. So the length is cut, but the width varies depending on our arm and chest. They wash easily. They fray a bit, but barely lose their strength. The cost is a few dollars. I have sensitive skin and they do not bother me. I am outside a lot. I work in my garden a lot, ride my bike, and play with my donkeys. I want to protect myself so I wear that sleeve at all times.
  • sbelizabeth
    sbelizabeth Member Posts: 2,889
    edited May 2019

    The first time I traveled by air after surgery and chemo, I wore a hat, a heavy prosthetic breast form, and a compression sleeve and glove. For someone who loves to skinny-dip in lakes and rivers and can barely wear a watch because its presence is annoying, this amount of bodily "interference" was almost intolerable. I thought I was going to have a panic attack, rip everything off, and run screaming, bald and naked, around the plane.

    Whew. Well, the hat and prosthesis are in my rear-view mirror, and although I might have a tiny bit of LE, my arm is more fat than swollen. I haven't worn a compression sleeve since 2012, and before I retired I logged a lot of air miles. My arm never seemed to be aware that it had left the ground.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2019

    Thanks for the additional comments.

    I called the gal at the hospital today that did the original lymphedema education and measuring. She didn't agree that I would need the sleeve and glove for anything but travel, especially because I had only two nodes removed; 13 radiation treatments; no chemo.

    I'm almost 75 years old, really started slowing down the past two years. This will be the last trip by airplane that I will take. Not really up to going but I dearly want to see my only sister who lives in Seattle, and who has worse breast cancer than I. It's a 7+ hour flight from where I live, not counting the time to and from the airport and two hour waiting time before the flight departs.

    So why should I spend $220 dollars for something that I will only use once in my lifetime?! I really need to use the money for the ticket and associated expenses.

    The articles I've read are about 50-50 on the subject of wearing a sleeve and glove, or not, during a flight. Should I filp a coin to decide?

    PS. are any of you who said you don't use the compression stuff around my age?

  • ElaineTherese
    ElaineTherese Member Posts: 3,328
    edited May 2019

    I had ALND with 20 nodes removed, and I never wear a sleeve or anything when I fly. I just move my arm around a bit to keep things circulating. I've flown at least 20 times since surgery and radiation, and I've been fine.

    I've heard that people who are more prone to swelling are more likely to get lymphadema. I've never been a sweller so I just don't worry about it. I know; easier said than done! Good luck!

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited May 2019

    I don't wear one. I hydrate a lot before flying (which gets me up moving around during the flight because I have to go to the bathroom). I wear loose clothing, don't wear rings on that hand, squeeze my fists, raise my hands etc. a lot during the flight. I also check heavy bags, make sure I move my purse or other light bag from side to side as I go through the airport. I have never had any problems & I fly quite frequently. I think if you wear a sleeve, you are also supposed to wear a gauntlet & if you don't use them correctly (have them measured correctly, put them on far enough ahead of the flight & leave them on for several hours after landing etc. you can do more harm than good). My thought is that I shouldn't fix it if it isn't broken.....

  • Traveltext
    Traveltext Member Posts: 2,089
    edited May 2019

    For starters, unless you have had all lymph nodes removed, you are highly unlikely to need a sleeve, on the ground or in the air. I’ve had all my nodes removed from the Mx side arm and fly long distances (16 hours) regularly. Never had the hint of Lymphedema despite not wearing a sleeve. On the ground, I’m scrupulous about keeping that arm bite or scratch free.


  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2019

    To those who don't use compression items when flying, I've been told that lymphedema may not show up right away, but could appear years later. Is this not a legitimate future concern even if you haven't experienced lymphedema to date?

  • Mavericksmom
    Mavericksmom Member Posts: 635
    edited May 2019

    I have lymphedema. I have seen numerous therapists since the onset in 2003, which happened immediately after my lumpectomy. I had the whole fat pad, with 24 nodes, removed.

    For years I wore compression garments custom made in Germany. I had issues with fit compounded by shoulder problems which resulted in the total replacement of both shoulders.

    My son wants us to fly to their house for a visit this summer. They live far from us, drive takes us two long days. (12+ hours). I have four doctor appointments the month he wants us to visit.

    Is there a topic for flying for those with lymphedema? I didn't see one. I'm scared to fly, but I am scared to drive too. My husband has health issues too, so I do all the driving. I'm recovering from mastectomy with DIEP reconstruction. My first day back to work in almost 4 months, is Monday. I just started taking Letrozole a couple of weeks ago. No issues yet, too early. Talk about feeling pressure! I haven't seen my oldest grandchild in over a year, and have not seen our newest grandchild, so I really want to go!

    I would definitely wear a garment, if I even have one that fits! Not sure which of my doctors to ask about this. I kind of think I would be better off bumping my doctor visit back a week or two and driving out to see my son. I really hate putting out the money for airfare and have to cancel. Also, driving gives us more flexibility.

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited May 2019

    I don't know if this helps, but here is a post I put together awhile ago. It was for an exercise thread so more focuses on that but does have some thoughts that might be helpful:

    I had 11 lymph nodes removed (12 years ago), so lymphedema has always been an area of real concern and mindfulness for me. When I had my surgery, there was no one around here to go to for advice, so I did a lot of studying on my own. Here are some thoughts & tips I came up with.

    First, I think that whether or not you are prone to LE has mostly to do with how your lymph system handles trauma. I would say most cases (unless you are in a horrible accident or are doing really extreme activities) are neither through any virtue or fault of your own; just a matter of good or bad 'luck'.

    That being said, there are many 'little' things that we can do that may reduce the risk of developing LE or minimize flares (these are for people with SNB too):

    • No BP, IVs, needles, shots etc. in that arm....consider getting a medical ID bracelet (to wear when traveling anyway). There are some really pretty ones out there that look like jewelry
    • Wear gloves when doing yard work, gardening etc.
    • Wear sunscreen when out in the sun, bug spray when out with the bugs
    • If you get a cut, scrap, bite...wash it with soap/water and slap on a bandage. If you see any sign of infection, get to the Dr. & on antibiotics ASAP
    • Be sure to switch arms when carrying your purse, hauling around anything heavy, dragging luggage etc.
    • Be careful about saunas, I avoid them, and also manicures and massages (on that quadrant of my body anyway).....not everyone does this, but that's just me
    • Keep a healthy weight
    • Keep hydrated, limit alcohol
    • Don't wear tight rings, watches, bracelets on that arm (when flying, I put my rings on my other hand & leave them on that side fro a couple hours after I land)
    • Also, be sure to keep well hydrated when flying, move your arm around a lot, make fists etc. get up & walk around the cabin (which won't be a problem if you are well-hydrated because you will have to go to the bathroom!), if someone wants to help you hoist your carry on & off the overhead, let them.....maybe think of checking a heavy bag (that's what I do)
    • When exercising that arm; start very slowly, take your time...build up weights very slowly...don't skip levels...don't do too many reps in one session. Mix up your exercises, don't work the same muscle groups every day. You may want to work with an experienced trainer (or PT) to help you construct a balanced program.
    • One thing I do want to add; after my surgery I was scared to start doing upper body. Neither my surgeon nor my oncologist could give me any good solid advice, so I talked to my GP. What he said was that I DID want to exercise my upper body, that it was important to do so as it would actually build up the lymph system, and although, of course, I should be careful and notice if my arm felt heavy/swollen etc. that I shouldn't be afraid to have it feel a little 'normal' soreness...because anytime you exercise a part of your body that you haven't been using for awhile, of course, it will feel sore. That made sense to me, and gave me 'permission' to get moving.
  • ElaineTherese
    ElaineTherese Member Posts: 3,328
    edited May 2019

    viewfinder,

    I am aware that lymphadema can show up at a later date. Like ruthbru, I do take some precautions. For example, I have my blood pressure, IVs, needles, shots, etc., done on my left arm. I also use my left arm for heavy lifting, when possible. I have visited my radiation oncologist yearly after radiation. He's the one that had my arm measured before radiation and who was particularly concerned about my chances of lymphadema. He says that if I don't have it now, my chances of getting it are pretty low. So, I'm good. Good luck!

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited May 2019

    Viewfinder, I turned 70 in October. My husband and I have traveled for years to conferences he attends. But we are slowing down (he is 77). I'm looking forward to when our travel, at least by plane, days are over. It's not about lymphedema, but all the hasell involved in flying.

  • Traveltext
    Traveltext Member Posts: 2,089
    edited May 2019

    Ruthbru, that's a great list. However, I'd question the need to worry about blood pressure testing to the affected arm, since it's only some compression and it is arm compression that is the prophylactic solution to avoiding LE.


  • 7of9
    7of9 Member Posts: 833
    edited May 2019

    Ok, I was bad about wearing a compression band on flights (only fly 2 -3 x a year) but this last trip 3 weeks ago I remembered and wore it. I swear I noticed mild swelling for the first time since ALND in 2 years after I flew! Wore it home, and a couple nights, seemed to go back to normal then it's swelling again! I am so PISSED. I am having nipple reconstruction in a week (orig double mast. 7 years ago and finally got up the courage to have it done now 3 years after recurrence). This is crap! I have not been exercising like I normally do and have gained about 5 lbs so I'm going to walk my ass off the next week and wear this stupid band to see if I can get it to go down. Just when I think I'm getting away from this disease it's something else. Then again, my son was 2 when I was diagnosed and he'll be 10 in 2 months so there before the grace of God.... still ..... grrrrrr

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