ILC recurrence

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  • melmcbee
    melmcbee Member Posts: 1,119
    edited December 2012

    Astrid, did you say you had a reoccurence in your mastectomy side? I apologize for sounding stupid. Im sick as a dog on chemo right now and just dont see the light at the end of the tunnel and it never occurred to me that I could get a reoccurence after I had a bmx. That is so disheartening right now. Good luck to you. Hugs to all.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited December 2012

    Hi melmcbee.

    I'm so sorry you are doing it tough right now!!

    I think I'm in a minority. I had a ductal recurrence in the left mastectomy side, and then a lobular in the right mast side, many years later. I don't think it happens all the time, so keep your spirits up!!

    The important  thing is just appreciatingevery day, and getting on with living.Smile

    Hoping you fly through recovery post chemo, and have a lovely Christmas.

    xx

    Astrid.

  • hmh23
    hmh23 Member Posts: 306
    edited December 2012

    Melmcbee;  There is no reason to be so sick on AC.  Has your doctor not provided you with any anti-nausea meds?  If not, ask him.  You shouldn't have to suffer. Heather

  • melmcbee
    melmcbee Member Posts: 1,119
    edited December 2012

    Hey Hmh, Im on all 3 and my 5th one was last tuesday and I have been somuch sicker off of this one than the last 4. I alternate phenergan, compazine, and zophram. Besides the nausea and chest burning Im having severe fatigue and body aches. Im also having bad problems with throat/esophagus pain. I think its from the vomiting/ heartburn for 6 days. Everything tastes like sulphur/ metal/ just burning nasty. Mouth sores and burning mouth, throat, and chest. I just got over that severe cold that I have had for 2 weeks and I feel like something is stuck in my throat its like its scratched or raw from all the coughing I have done. Today I may feel about 5% better but thats it.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited December 2012

    Ugh! You poor thing. First off, get some acidophilus to help that belly of yours recover. It will help against the thrush and sores too.

    The throat thing may be from the taxotere. I had a lot of funky stuff with my throat while getting tax.

    Try bland foods with spice. That sounds stupid, right? I found that the easiest things to eat were things like Mexican dirty rice, just a tad spicy but otherwise totally plain. Plain pancakes were also OK, especially with a little cinnamon and so on.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited December 2012

    Hi lovely women.

    I posted awhile ago that I had some lumps, and was having a PET, and an U'sound.

    Well just to let you know.

    I am all clear!!

    yes, the hard lumps, and yes, my ILC was a large hard lump...was this time necrotic fat.

    the PET showd no uptake of sugar anywhere...so happy dance!!! phew.

    Now, I feel i can relax, and get on with it.

    My Onc sys the best treatment atm for lobular is AI's, and I'm starting on Aromasin.

    wishing you warriors here all the best, and hoping you stay one step ahead of the beastie, at all times.

    xx

    Astrid.

  • melmcbee
    melmcbee Member Posts: 1,119
    edited December 2012

    Great news Astrid. Im doing happy dance with you....

  • Fearlessfoot
    Fearlessfoot Member Posts: 165
    edited December 2012

    Cool for Astrid!

    Cool for Astrid!

    Cool for Astrid!

    Cool for Astrid!

  • Gitane
    Gitane Member Posts: 1,885
    edited December 2012

    What a relief!  I'm so happy that you got this excellent outcome.  Hurray!Smile

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited December 2012

    oh! Thankyou soooo much lovely BC sisters.

    Your kind words gave me a lift today.

    I wish exactly the same happy outcomes for you always.

    xx

    Astrid

  • lukefrancis1
    lukefrancis1 Member Posts: 40
    edited December 2012

    hi everyone, have not been on board in awile.  Half way through ac/ breezed through it! only slight problems...little blisters on lip...no big deal. Still feel bilat was the smartest and best decison.  One chemo nurse had same diag. as me same surgeon, and onc.  But did lumpectomy, told me my decsion was the right one!   Not so terrible doing expanders....end result will be ok....as long as my clothing is on!  just want to look like I have boobs when I wear nice things...Best wishes to all for 2013!

  • lukefrancis1
    lukefrancis1 Member Posts: 40
    edited December 2012

    hi perhaps thy can hydrate you after treatment.  i have ac.the next day shop for platlets (cost 7500 dollars!) ins. covers....than two days later infusion of saline.....have not been sick but 1 time before they started doing infusion of saline....also did a port...much easier!

  • lukefrancis1
    lukefrancis1 Member Posts: 40
    edited January 2013

    hi, had 1.9cm in right breast ILC, had bi lateral mast. oct 2012....feel so confident that this was the best decision!!! this is a very sneaky type of bc....the bi-lateral was emotionally alittle difficult...surgically not difficult.....hardly any pain. in and out of hospital less tha 24 hrs! reconstruction started with expanders...again not difficult!felt I had to be aggressive...doing chemo act last treat of cytoxin this week...again slight reaction to chemo...4 more treatments of taxol and I am done.  As far as recurrence....its in god's hands...we can only control so much, Best wishes to you hope this helped!

  • BettyBoo
    BettyBoo Member Posts: 72
    edited January 2013
  • powermom
    powermom Member Posts: 195
    edited January 2013

    Bettyboo - Not to split hairs, but when I go to this article, the date is December 2011 instead of 2012.  Do you know which date is correct?  Thanks for sharing.

  • BettyBoo
    BettyBoo Member Posts: 72
    edited January 2013

    Hi, should have pointed out it relates to a study in the UK from two major cancer centres, women were diagnosed between 1998 and 2003 and followed up until 2010.

    The contralateral incidence between IDC and ILC was very similar according to this one study.

  • Eve1956
    Eve1956 Member Posts: 183
    edited April 2019

    I know it’s been many years since the initial post but wanted to chime in. I am going Friday for additional mammogram images and an ultrasound bc they see 2 well defined, circumscribed nodules in my remaining breast. In 2010, I point blank asked my breast surgeon if I should remove the healthy breast too and she said it wasn’t needed. Had she recommended it, I would have had it removed too but she did not. Now I’m learning for the first time ILC tends to be bi-lateral, so I don’t understand why she didn’t recommend a bi-lateral? Was this information not known in 2010? I absolutely should have had bi-lateral mastectomies. Exactly why you had both removed was to avoid what has become a Déjà vu nightmare.

  • Meow13
    Meow13 Member Posts: 4,859
    edited April 2019

    My oncologist did not recommend bilateral. I had single left side mastectomy with DIEP reconstruction and I am on year 8 no cancer.

  • jessie123
    jessie123 Member Posts: 532
    edited April 2019

    I wonder what percentage of women who have a single breast mastectomy or lumpectomy end up having a reoccurrence in the other breast. I think my surgeon also said that it's not necessary and she's at a teaching cancer center. Does anyone know the statistics?

  • Meow13
    Meow13 Member Posts: 4,859
    edited April 2019

    jesse, the only statistic I have seen about ILC is that at diagnosis roughly 1/3 have the disease in both breasts.

  • Mavericksmom
    Mavericksmom Member Posts: 635
    edited April 2019

    Hi Eve, I had IDC in 2003, 1 cm, lumpectomy, re-excision, chemo, radiation, I tried Tamoxifen for a few weeks and gave up, feeling I already had over-kill with treatment.

    15 1/2 years later, Dec 2018, I was diagnosed with ILC. I wanted a bi-lateral mastectomy without reconstruction. I went to a cancer hospital. My breast surgeon, while highly educated and skilled, as well as super nice, flatly said NO! He told me they don't remove healthy breasts! Oddly enough their newsletter that came out this month featured a women who had the BRCA 2 gene and had a BMX without having breast cancer. I'm not saying that woman shouldn't have had that done, but it made me angry because I had a recurrence and still couldn't have both breasts removed!

    My cancer was only found on the ultrasound and I am very concerned I have it in my other breast. I'm asking for an ultrasound of that breast the next time I see him, if he refuses, no problem because my gynecologist will give me a script for one!

    Sorry for not having any answers but I really understand where you are coming from


  • jessie123
    jessie123 Member Posts: 532
    edited April 2019

    Mavericksmom ----- have you had an MRI ? I think that is usually the next step after they find cancer in one breast.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2019

    Jessie, I think a lot of MOs don't even know that much about the specifics of ILC. They treat it the same as they would IDC.

    Let us know how it goes.

    Claire in AZ

  • jessie123
    jessie123 Member Posts: 532
    edited April 2019

    Claire --- did you have the BMX because of a reoccurrence? The decision between mastectomy and lumpectomy was very difficult for me. I knew when I made the decision that I may eventually end up having a BMX. However, if that happens I won't be as scared next time as I am now prepared. For fun today I took the "risk for breast cancer" test from the Cancer society. I answered the questions as I would have last summer before my diagnosis. My score was a lower than average chance of developing breast cancer. Talk about giving people a false sense of security!!!

  • Meow13
    Meow13 Member Posts: 4,859
    edited April 2019

    False sense of security, you can say that again. I was beyond shock and disbelief when I was diagnosed. Absolutely no family history, no risks as far as health, bmi, exercise, lifestyle or genetics. However, I never knew I had extremely dense breast tissue. All those mammograms it was never mentioned. I found out after I was diagnosed.

  • Mavericksmom
    Mavericksmom Member Posts: 635
    edited April 2019

    Jessie123, No, I didn't have an MRI, not even mentioned by my BS. Before my mastectomy I had a CT scan of my chest and abdomen and a full body bone scan. The CT scan was without contrast because I have really bad veins. I had the radioactive tracer for the bone scan. The report stated I had a non-eventful injection. I am not sure what his definition of uneventful is but the tracer leaked into my skin at two points, burned like crazy, left me with darkened area of skin in both areas. I assume those are permanent because they still look the same and I had the scan in December. The marks are the least of my concerns, just a reminder of what I went through.

    I'm just moving forward but I will never again feel I am cured of cancer, I will never again feel surprised by a recurrence.

    (((cyber hugs to all here)))

  • Catsme
    Catsme Member Posts: 74
    edited April 2019

    Thought I'd share my experience with ILC. For years I received the post mastectomy letters about my super dense breasts. I had 11 cysts aspirated or removed in the 8 years prior to DX. These were all found by me. I specifically asked my Gyn for regular US and MRI. His response; "Mammography is the standard of care, we only pursue other if mammogram shows the need."

    I began paying extra each year for 3D mammos. This is how my cancer was found. My BS and radiologist showed me the regular and 3D pics. The regular mammo showed nothing. The follow-up on MRI was BIRAD 5. There was also a spot of ATHP not seen on either mammo.

    My BS spent 1 hour with us explaining all options, even drawing pics of what she would do if I chose lumpectomy or MX. She told us that ILC is sneaky and does have a higher risk of jumping to the other breast. I opted for DMX, as I no longer trusted screening methods, & didnt want to go through this part again. I know i could have a reoccurence at some point. My MO also spent a lot of time discussing ILC'S differences, treatments and mets patterns. I adore my team, and have switched GYNs.

    A dear friend was diagnosed a year after me with ILC and IDC detected in one breast. Her surgeon was in the "we don't remove healthy breasts" camp and strongly discouraged the BMX idea. She didn't discuss or provide info on the cancer types. During MX it was found additional tumors and that 2 lymph nodes were positive. After axillary dissection her surgeon said "you'll need to be really aware of the remaining breast." My friend says now she wishes she had gotten a second opinion from the start. Her MO is somewhat dismissive as well.

    It just amazed me how different physicians can be when it comes to patient care, empathy and partnering.

    My friend and I support each other and our conversations are now less about cancer and more about wine, food and gardening.

    Hugs to all.




  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2019

    Jessie123, it was more prophylactic than anything. My MO (before surgery): "you understand since you had a lumpectomy and radiation you don't need a BMX--your survival chances are the same". Me: "ILC has a tendency to be multi-focal, missed by scans, and this tumor was missed by several 'clear' mammos that didn't even report my very dense breast tissue, either".

    Talk about a false sense of security from a mammogram. I had five "clear" ones, and I found the trouble through a random breast exam of my own. If I had been carrying a bit of weight, or had large breasts, I might not have found it.

    Bottom line: I did not want to go through any of the above again, and I felt like my best chance of that happening was to have the BMX with immediate reconstruction a year after rads were done. The surgery was a non-event: one and done-but I miss my breasts, so not without a big trade off. And I'm happy with the results.

    Post surgery pathology showed mild hyperplasia in the good breast, which could have gone badly for me later. Even my surgeon said so, and we were glad I made the choice. There is so much in there we can't see. Of course we can't know about all of it, but I was mostly happy I went ahead with the surgery. All my tx choices have been about not having regrets about those choices. I don't want to look back if I do recur and say, "why didn't I choose to take advantage of ways to protect myself"?

    I had a breast MRI two years ago which reported no detectable breast tissue and that made me happy. So if I do recur, it probably won't be in my boobs.

    This post isn't to judge or worry anyone--just my story, and I know we are all different and have different approaches and intuition about our tx choices. My intuition told me to have the surgery.

    Claire in AZ

  • mtks
    mtks Member Posts: 190
    edited June 2019

    Hi Eve, I’m so sorry to hear what you are going thru. My cancer was found in 2010 as well. TWO MONTHS PRIOR TO MY SCHEDULED MAMO I found a lump on left breast, 10 o’clock area. I had a Mammo, followed by a ultrasound. Radiologist said to re check in a YEAR. My “GUT” told me to have a lumpectomy. The surgeon said he could aspirate the lump instead of disfiguring my breast, but I knew the lumpectomy was the right chose. Turns out, the surgeon said if he would of aspirated the lump, he wouldnt of found it. It was the tissue under the lump that was ILC with NO clear margins!My breast care surgeon explained to me that Invasive Lobular Carcinoma will eventually move to the other breast and recommended a bi lateral mastectomy with reconstruction. That is what I chose with silicone breast implants. Prayers and hugs to you.

    I haven’t been here on the board for some time. So grateful for everyone’s support here. Question,has anyone had cancer or autoimmune disease occur from the implants? I am having symptoms of one or both and could use some support here if anyone knows anything or is going thru similar issues.

  • Meow13
    Meow13 Member Posts: 4,859
    edited June 2019

    ILC does not move to the other breast. It is a bit more common to be found in both breasts at diagnosis.

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