Starting Chemo in JAN 2007

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  • ritajean
    ritajean Member Posts: 4,223
    edited February 2007
    Amera,
    Hang in there. Our resistance is so low right now that we don't have alot to fight off the colds, flu, etc. It's no wonder you and Rebecca both feel so rotten right now. Hang in there. It WILL get better.

    Rebecca, male relatives are the worst when it comes to illnesses and health crises. My poor mother is in a nursing home right now. My step-dad (who I consider a father) is very angry with me because I'm not holding up my share of the care-taking. It is nearly a 3 hour drive for me to get there and I've been limited to once a week on my good two weeks. I am an only child so it's mainly just he and I dealing with the situation. I just don't think that they really THINK about what they say. When they get to a place where they can't fix it, they're completely out of their elements. I had my lumpectomy on December 21st and he wondered why I wasn't going to make the sit-down Christmas dinner that we always have. Go figure!!!! My philosophy is......do what feels right to you. They'll still be there when it's over. :-)

    Well....so much for that soap box speech! I'm heading for the recliner and a good book.

    Have a good night everybody!

    Rita
  • Rebecca
    Rebecca Member Posts: 971
    edited February 2007
    I hear you Amera...I agree that I would have wound up in ER trip or no. In fact, in some ways it was easier to deal with the ER trip while we were in Ohio, because we only had our oldest daughter with us, and SHE was absolutely fine in the bosom of her teammates. If we had been home we would have either had to get someone in to watch the kids while we went, or I would have had to go alone (which really would have sucked). As it was, the two little ones were not aware anything was going on and I am not even sure Frances realized I was gone as she cavorted with all of her friends(just kidding).

    You are right about doubting relatives though...everyone thinks they are an expert, and they casually dispense ridiculous advice. I think they truly feel that it is helpful to attack us about our life choices while they remain safely sequestered in their ivory towers.

    and beleive me...you are NOT whining about this cold...and even if you were I think you have a legitimate right to! After all, we feel blech from the chemo, and to get a miserable cold on TOP of that? YIKES! GO FOR IT SISTER! Whine all you want

    I wish I could go to bed too...but I am home with the kids, waiting for dh to get back with our oldest who is at practice. Ah well catch a few z's for me.
  • Rebecca
    Rebecca Member Posts: 971
    edited February 2007
    Rita you always make me smile. You are so right about male relatives! My dad is so clueless sometimes I wonder how he gets around so well. He better watch it with scolding me tomorrow when he is here because I am CRANKY, and I am not going to stand for it! (so there )

    Enjoy your book!
  • Rebecca
    Rebecca Member Posts: 971
    edited February 2007

    Oh and Mizsissy....the bangs and turban really are great!

  • robertin
    robertin Member Posts: 78
    edited February 2007
    Hello all. Went to the oncologist today and explained I've had this nagging cough for 3 weeks now. I have no fever and the Mucinex helps during the day. But I told them I was wiped out. So, it's a good thing they have some blood to look at. So, my Dad is so old and hard of hearing that I can't talk over the phone with him, and I am so glad I got to see him between the surgery and the chemo. My Mom and I have always been close. She calls me every day, sometimes more than once when she feels I need it. And, she's in Holland, mind you. Today I told her how wiped out I've been and she suggested that I might be undernourished. I hadn't thought about it, but I have lost 10 pounds in the three weeks, and I eat what I can stomach, which is half a sandwich and some pretzels and Ramen noodles. Duh. She suggested "astronaut food" such as Encare, and make a whole sandwich and eat what I can and eat the remainder during the day. "I'm not very smart," she said, "so I don't know if this is good advice." Duh, she might not have the college degree, but she's mighty smart in my book. So, I went to Wescoe (does that bring back memories Amera?) and got some Sushi. I could only eat a couple of pieces, but by the end of the afternoon, it was gone. Hey, not a bad idea. So, I got some Encare, and some V8 on the way home.
    Hey Amera. It was in the 50's here today, and so the majority of the students were in summer gear: shorts, sandals and t-shirts. By the way, that was quite an experience to get my Sushi. It was noon, and the cafetaria was packed with students. I've never felt so many eyes burning into my turban.
  • NOLONGERREADINGORPOSTING
    NOLONGERREADINGORPOSTING Member Posts: 778
    edited February 2007
    Has been one of my biggest problems all through this scenario. Kind of showed me who to trust and who not too. My mother and I have become very close, confidants, sharing talking every day---art, politics, movies--which is wonderful because she is probably close to the end of her life and we have so much to share. She is my peppiest cheerleader and strongest supporter through this journey. It is so nice to have a good relationship after all these years.

    But my sibs are impossible, I am the oldest & they bring me every financial crisis they have usually on my worst days of chemo. Sometimes I wonder if they simply aren't trying to get as much as they can before I *check out*!! (Too bad, I plan to live a LONG time!!!)

    On other hand I can't complain about anyone else, great neighbors, caring church members, friends, in-laws...but it seems like not a single week goes by without some absurd financial melodrama that I could do with out right now. I tried to help with *advice* but anything but cold hard cash is *too condescending* for them.

    My mother is very worried about both of them because of their inability to handle finances...and hopes I can help them when she goes...but as far as I am concerned it will have to be advice and not handouts.

    Mizsissy
  • Rebecca
    Rebecca Member Posts: 971
    edited February 2007
    Mizsissy, that really stinks. This is not the time to have to deal with family politics. One would hope that those who care for us would set these things aside in a time of crisis.

    I just wrote a whole ranting post, but lost it because I was called away from my computer for too long. sigh. Suffice it to say that my dad was only the start of my family politics. My mom is actually FIGHTING with me over who gets to help out at my house, and gets angry when it is not HER. I tend not to choose her because she is nasty to me, and all she ever wants to talk about are my "symptoms" which is not exactly comforting. She is coming to help during my next chemo (she will be here on my worst day) and I am planning to lock myself in my room. I am not looking forward to it, but someone has to be here to take care of my kids that day because based on the past two chemo cycles, I am likely to be completely incapacitated with bone pain from the neulasta.

    On a more optimistic note, the outpouring from other members of my family and from my friends has been inspiring. There are many people in my life that are willing to set aside large chunks of their lives, and inconveinience themselves to help me when they can. My heart fills with joy when I think about how fortunate I really am, despite those few bad apples in the crew.
  • NOLONGERREADINGORPOSTING
    NOLONGERREADINGORPOSTING Member Posts: 778
    edited February 2007
    Thanks, Becky, you were the only one who saw the whole thing. I toned it down for public consumption.

    I tell my Mom about my running, my exercising training, every little thing I accomplish and she cheers and cheers telling me what a wonderful attitude I have. It's nice to have someone on your side.

    Have to be careful what I tell her about the *bad* news, she'll worry herself insane. My sister found her one morning asleep with a horrible frown and fearful look on her face, even in her sleep, because of some negative news she's had about me. She 84 and quite frail.
  • Rebecca
    Rebecca Member Posts: 971
    edited February 2007
    Hi Robertin!

    I also lurk around in a college environment, and I have actually found that people do not look twice at me in my scarf because of the diversity on the campus. There are so many girls here that have scarves on their heads...in so many different styles, that I am actually anonymous! I guess that is why I have not had the experience of the "pity look" because most people do not realize, upon quick viewing, that I do not have hair under my scarf. Strange. Either that, or I am just perceiving myself as anonymous, and using that perception to filter out the pity looks that I am getting behind my back

    I am sure that you are not getting as many looks as you think you are getting...and anyway, at a college you could probably blend in bare-headed, just get some spiky bracelets and wear black lipstick (tee hee). Actually my husband's boss advised ME to do that...she said I would look good bald, and could carry it off. NOT. Keep your chin up, and keep smiling, you are beautiful.

    OH...and I found that "la creme" yogurt by dannon goes down very nicely, and it has more calories than regular yogurt. Try it...its tasty, too!
  • Mena
    Mena Member Posts: 426
    edited February 2007
    Uh...Miz...Can't they sell the horses and do without the vacations? Seems obvious to me...I have plenty of financial problems as you know...but I have no horses and I've never taken a vacation. Nor have I asked my brother, sister or mother for anything. Several times in the past when my loser ex husband wouldn't work, my now late father would help with the mortgage. But now, as you also know, my home is pretty much on the brink of foreclosure. My problem, not by sibs, and believe me, their pets live better than I do. That's the truth...

    If I had horses, they'd be wearing "For Sale" signs and parading around right now. I'd even braid their tails for the event!...xo
  • Amera
    Amera Member Posts: 452
    edited February 2007
    Just got back from the grocery store where the check-out lady asked if I was a "survivor." Part of me was touched. She is a 6 year survivor and her MIL is a 13 year survivor. But part of me was a little taken aback. First of all, I thought my wool cap was kinda, sorta normal looking, but apparently, it's clear I am bald underneath. Or maybe as one who has been through it, she has a keen eye.

    Anyhow, at what point are we considered "survivors?" I am only part way through the treatment and certainly don't feel like one. Will I ever? I read somewhere that we become survivors the minute we are diagnosed but that doesn't sound right to me. Maybe it's an individual thing. What do you all think?

    Amera
  • viddie
    viddie Member Posts: 547
    edited February 2007
    Hi everyone,
    Day 7 and still in a funk. It definitely is taking longer this time. It is my stomach. I had A/C last Thursday. Friday, & Saturday are fine. I start going downhill Sunday and stay that way until now. I think all the anti nausea medicine they give in the beginning wears off by Sunday. I do have ativan and Zofran, Zofran doesn't seem to do too much, and I do not want to get addicted to ativan, so I try to do without after Sunday. Maybe I should just take it until Wednesday and stop trying to be a hero. It does seem to quell my stomach, and it also seems to relax my stomach and me, but it does make me sleepy.
    Rebecca, and Amera, I hope you start feeling better soon. No fun being sick on top of this chemo crap.
    Does it take anyone else until day 7 to start to recuperate?? Now I think I am getting a yeast infection. Has anyone else had that problem? Very itchy. I am so tired of not feeling better.
    Rebecca, I was on Levaquin for my finger infection last week and my infection did go away.
    Sorry to be a downer. I have read all the posts, but did not feel good enough to post myself. Hopefully this will be my last bad day. I am going to have a Reiki treatment tomorrow. I can get a few free treatments, so I will take advantage of it. Catch you later.
    Viddie
  • Rebecca
    Rebecca Member Posts: 971
    edited February 2007

    Well Amera I think that is a good question. The way that personally have been viewing it is that in the process of getting rid of the cancer (surgery, chemo etc) is also the process of "dying" as a cancer patient, and being reborn as a survivor at the end. After all, when it is done, many of us will be re-entering mainstream life much as we entered it the first time...bald and weak. I am not sure at which point I will view my rebirth as complete, but I imagine that it will be the first day after treatment is completed that I feel "normal" again. I plan to celebrate when it happens.

  • Rebecca
    Rebecca Member Posts: 971
    edited February 2007
    Oh Viddie, I hope you feel better soon!

    I also hope I am as lucky with the Levaquin as you were...so far I still have green gook, and I could not lie down to sleep last night for the violent coughing spasms. I finally got to sleep with a combo of propping myself with pillows and narcotic cough syrup. If I do not feel better tomorrow I think I will have to go back to Dr for a different medication.

    As far as my energy level, I think this time I started to feel a little better after day 4 or 5 this time, but last time it was not until day 10. I guess it varies, even within the same person. Next time...who knows? Hopefully your next will be better.
  • Lynn12
    Lynn12 Member Posts: 1,008
    edited February 2007
    Amera,

    Wow, I was wondering that same thing a couple days ago. When do we consider ourselves survivors. I read somewhere that it is from when you are diagnosed but I agree, I don't exactly feel like I've survived yet (although I know I will). Like Rebecca, I plan on celebrating when the treatment is done and I'm feeling well. Although when it comes to saying I'm a one year survivor and so on, I will probably go by diagnosis date and celebrate my 1 year next November!

    Lynn
  • Lynn12
    Lynn12 Member Posts: 1,008
    edited February 2007
    Ok ladies, here's my theory:

    I still have a lot of stubble on my head and I'm still whining that it's so annoying. I started losing my hair on day 15 after first round. My thinking is that the hair that I have left are extra stubborn and needed a higher dose to fall out. I had my 2nd treatment about 10 days ago, so I'm thinking that the rest will start falling out about 15 days after 2nd treatment, which is this weekend. Yes?

    Lynn
  • Rebecca
    Rebecca Member Posts: 971
    edited February 2007

    I agree Lynn, but that brings up yet another ambiguity...when do you count your diagnosis? The day that you got your mammo, and they told you it looked nasty, or the day that you got your biopsy and the Dr went out into the hall and told DH that it was probably cancer, or the day that you get "the talk" in the Drs office? I am thinking that I might use the day of my surgery as my anniversary, because that is the first aggressive attack I made on this enemy. It was that day that I made my stand and announced that I was NOT going down easy.

  • Lynn12
    Lynn12 Member Posts: 1,008
    edited February 2007
    Viddie,

    Hope you feel better soon. Sending postive vibes that tomorrow will be a good day!

    I was down for longer after my 2nd treatment as well. I'm 11 days out and still have a bit of 'chemo-y' feeling which I'm not happy about. Makes me really scared about the next four treatments and the cumulative effect.

    Lynn
  • meliaanne
    meliaanne Member Posts: 682
    edited February 2007
    I am going to count my anniversary as Nov 22, the day the radiologist said the tumor was "highly suggestive of cancer" and my heart dropped to my toes. That was my last day of innocence, of figuring that taking care of myself, and getting regular check ups, would keep me safe until I quietly died in my sleep from a heart attack at 95! My husband dismissed my concerns that night, told me I was overreacting, so I went through the Thanksgiving weekend quietly terrified. I was alone in a hotel room in Boise, Idaho, on a business trip, on Nov 28 when the dr office called and told me I had cancer. Not the best week of my life.
    Melia
  • Rebecca
    Rebecca Member Posts: 971
    edited February 2007
    Well, I am also finding my stubble very annoying. I think that some of it is "hanging in" but a lot of it is actually dead and is just stuck in my scalp (gives me the heebie jeebies). This stuff comes out with a little tug, but since it is short I can not really get a grip on it, so it stays. I do have some hair that is actually growing, if you can beleive it...I have light peach fuzz on the bald spots, interspersed with small areas of the dark stubble of my old hair.

    I agree with you that the peach fuzz and growing hair will probably fall out on day 15...but I despair at getting rid of the nasty old stubble.

    I am tempted to get an electric razor and do a real shave but I am scared to do it for fear of trapping dead hair in a follicle. anyone try using an electric razor, or did you all use buzzers like I did?
  • NOLONGERREADINGORPOSTING
    NOLONGERREADINGORPOSTING Member Posts: 778
    edited February 2007
    Viddie et al.

    Try the MAGIC HAPPY PILL and it will end everything on Day 5. One Darvocet and a Diet Pepsi early afternoon. And it won't hurt you a bit!!! Your mind clears, the fog goes away, and you suddenly realize who you are again.

    Hey, I think I've stumbled onto something magic here. I think I should send this out in a newsletter to all the oncology offices all over the country.

    I've been doin it and I'm not hooked. I just have one or two darvocets every two weeks!!

    I still have half of my pain script from the surgery leftover.

    Mizsissy
  • NOLONGERREADINGORPOSTING
    NOLONGERREADINGORPOSTING Member Posts: 778
    edited February 2007
    Lynn,

    According to the taxotere drug lit, not everybody loses, only 75%. In fact, some people lose at the beginning and it starts growing back before they're done! Ach! I think I shaved my head too soon. My hair never fell out completely and it's growing!!!

    Survivors or not?!!! Nothing has come close to threatening my life yet. What I had was small and had the potential of becoming life-threatening but never ever hurt or became life-threatening. As long as I live without recurrence, I am considering myself cancer-free. If I get a recurrence, then I'll worry about survival.

    Mizsissy
  • Amera
    Amera Member Posts: 452
    edited February 2007
    I think I have some Darvocets left. I will give that a try. I am feeling like a pharmacist these days. Just went out and got myself some OTC cough meds for this damn cough. I have a couging fit about every 30 minutes and cannot sleep. I didn't check this with my onc but assume it's fine. She would probably say, "Oh, it's nothing don't worry," anyway. So if I have some terrible reaction and they find me, tell them it's the Robitussin please.
    Amera
  • ritajean
    ritajean Member Posts: 4,223
    edited February 2007
    Lynn and Viddie....so sorry to hear that your last treatment was so terrible but you made it through it!!!!

    As for the survivor question.........we're all survivors girls. From the minute we heard the words "breast cancer" we've been surviving some pretty rotten emotions, routines, and regiments. We are survivors now. The end of our treatment regiments is the curtain that lifts up and allows us to move on, but we began surviving the minute we decided to fight, or the minute we began to fight because we had no other choice. To tell you the truth, I think we're a pretty classy group of survivors, too! Sure, some days we don't feel so classy or so good. This last Sunday after my #2 on Friday, the cat wouldn't even come near me, but we just plug onward and that's what survivors do. I feel so lucky to have met all of you! So let's just vent when we need to, help each other with any encouragement or suggestion that we can, and as a group of classy ladies...........just keep surviving!

    Can you tell that the sun finaly came out in Illinois and that I'm a "sun person?" :-)

    Hang in there girls.

    Rita
  • Amera
    Amera Member Posts: 452
    edited February 2007
    Mizsissy, well said. I completely agree. I don't feel like I deserve the term "survivor" at this point. Nothing has been insurmountable yet, I don't feel like I'm fighting something or in a battle. I am very fortunate that my bc was found early, is small, and hasn't spread. A relatively easy couple of surgeries and a few tired/nauseous days do not make me feel worthy of such a title. And I'm not being modest either.

    I think "survivor" has become the breast cancer mantra of late. I've never heard it used with other illness or health concerns. Are you a heart attack, or diabetes "survivor?"

    That's not to say that I don't think we have been through a lot, and do not deserve any title we or others give ourselves. I just don't think it applies to me really. Maybe when I am a year or two out I'll say to someone, "Oh, I had breast cancer too." But survivor does not sound like the right term to me. Okay, I'll stop rambling.
    Amera
  • NOLONGERREADINGORPOSTING
    NOLONGERREADINGORPOSTING Member Posts: 778
    edited February 2007
    I agree with what you said Rita too..about the word *cancer* (in fact, I don't even like to say the word outloud), the fear...but I think a lot of our fears were based on the experiences women had years ago, before all the advancements in medicine. I think if women were less afraid of BC, they might be more proactive about getting checkups and taking care of themselves.

    But I think we are survivors in the sense that we are dealing with this, we're finding out we're strong, and in some sense even better for the experience. Knowing that you have yourself to rely on is one of the most reassuring feelings you can have.
  • Amera
    Amera Member Posts: 452
    edited February 2007
    Mizsissy: I agree. The woman at the grocery store blanched when I said I was glad that chemo was not as bad as I'd imagined. I think even 6 years ago it was a different story.
    Amera
  • robertin
    robertin Member Posts: 78
    edited February 2007
    Hey, we don't survive the cancer. That was cut out of if, but we did survive the chemo, which is more of a battle.
    Mizsissy, I love your happy pill. I haven't tried one yet, but my husband had the happy pill (percoset) when he had his gall blatter surgery. He said, he could still feel the pain, but you just don't care - you're so happy. Ha, my favorite story.
    Lynn, I started losing on day 15 and now is day 22 and I have lots of bald spots and lots of stubble. These small hairs feel like pistons moving up and down into my scalp. Even when I go to bed, I feel the stubble that touches my soft pillow. I use the lint roller a lot, and I hope to lose it all.
    Rebecca, I love the black lipstick suggestion. Ha, here at KU you see it all. I bet people will notice me less likely when I wear that, than a turban. I wear nothing at home (on my head I mean), and anybody who comes over, will have to get used to that. I love going hatless.
    My mom's suggestion worked. I finished my breakfast around 11:00 and have just finished lunch. I have an Ensure in the fridge and I feel much stronger.
    Lynn, that second chemo was a lot harder on me, but I think it's because of the rapid weightloss the first week. I'm going to fight it with my Mom's method, eating only healthy food, and eating all day if I have to. That way I hope to keep my strength.
  • kids123
    kids123 Member Posts: 11
    edited February 2007
    I hope everyone keeps a positive attitude on what we are going thur, we will beat this!
    I was wondering did anyone use an electric razor to shave the stubble, can't believe how painful it really is.
  • Rebecca
    Rebecca Member Posts: 971
    edited February 2007

    I also think that the term survivor comes out of the age when BC really was a life threatening condition, rather than a chronic one, as it is considered today. Nevertheless, it is still a battle, and a trying experience. It may be an outdated label, but it does denote membership in a group of women that is so large that it is both distressing (that it is so common) and inspiring (that it does not claim lives as it used to)

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