Oncotype DX anyone waiting for results?

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NicoleRod
NicoleRod Member Posts: 2,906
edited April 2019 in Waiting for Test Results

So my surgery was about 22 days ago now and I do not have my onco results. Apparently after i called and complained to my BS nurse friday they said they would check. Called me back saying there was an insurance hold up (yet my insurance who i had called in the interim, stated they had no claim denials) Nurse said it wasn't a denial but they had been waiting for some kind of approval?? Any how they said they were testing it now (friday) I am hoping to have the results at my appointment on Tuesday.

I am not wondering what they will be as I am fairly certain I will be well over 20 as my ER is 100% and my PR is only 20%. My question is whether I will choose chemo in the gray area 11-25. My BS said anything below 25 no chemo but that is not what I am seeing in all the research I have been doing. So to me, anything between 11 and 25 I will have to make a decision. I am 50 years old so I know I will need Tamoxifen thought I don't want that either :(

If anyone else is waiting feel free to chime in on thoughts :)

Nicole

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  • AliceBastable
    AliceBastable Member Posts: 3,461
    edited April 2019

    I tend to trust my doctors' experience and education over whatever I find on the internet. My oncotype score was 17, which is solidly in the "no chemo" range.

  • JoE777
    JoE777 Member Posts: 628
    edited April 2019

    my onco score was 15 in 2012 and my treatment team was elated that I didn't have to have chemo. I believe the new research even raises the score a little higher for no chemo. Over treatment can be a real assault on the body that leaves longterm side effects. Hard choices along this journey but you have so many now compared to even 5 years ago. Hang tough.

  • NicoleRod
    NicoleRod Member Posts: 2,906
    edited April 2019

    Thanks Joe. Yea I mean originally I was like "anything under 25 i am in the clear"..but after all the Medical articles I have been reading and by doctors from some very good cancer facilities seeing them say about that gray area has made me question the 11 - 25 range.

  • Meow13
    Meow13 Member Posts: 4,859
    edited April 2019

    Nicole, it is all based on statistics to come up with a risk. My score of 34, gave me a 23% chance of recurrence in 10 years with tamoxifen. If chemo was added in the best situation that risk could be reduced to 12%. Now professionals assessed it was worth the effects of chemo. Well I didn't do the chemo but instead of tamoxifen I chose AI therapy which in my case (PR negative) my risk was less than 23% closer to 17%.

    Taking these drugs potentially can harm your health that also needs to be considered. Once you get in the intermediate range the benefits of chemo are not as good as the high range.

    Unfortunately, it is not a clear decision and there is no way of telling if the drugs are effective against recurrence. We can only rely on the statistics. Maybe someday we will know more but for now we don't.

  • NicoleRod
    NicoleRod Member Posts: 2,906
    edited April 2019

    Meow...yea I agree. My thoughts now...which are changing by the day are that I am about to be 51 in a few months...so I am going to go into this reading those reviews as 51 year old. My original thought was that I wanted to get my ovaries out and go to the AI's. I am kind of leaning back toward that. I mean because my progesterone on the surgical pathology report was 20% and because I am a grade 3 I am expecting my onco to be over 25 probably closer to 30's. I pray it's not but it won't really surprise me if it is.

  • letsgogolf
    letsgogolf Member Posts: 263
    edited April 2019

    NicoleRod, My sister's Onco score was 17 and her ER was 90%, PR was 14%. I am betting you will be below 20 with that high ER number. Best wishes!

  • NicoleRod
    NicoleRod Member Posts: 2,906
    edited April 2019

    letsgogolf...you just made my day. hate to ask but was she a grade 3?? I think that is going to have a huge impact on the score....??

  • letsgogolf
    letsgogolf Member Posts: 263
    edited April 2019

    NIcoleRod, I remember well the anxiety associated with waiting for the score. My doctor's office promised to call me the moment they received the results. I knew when they had the report because I called the lab in California and they told me they had faxed the info. Unfortunately, the doctor's office never did call me and they also did not return my calls. I was pretty well ticked off when I had to wait for my next appointment. Have you tried the online predictor tools? I think I tried most of them and found them to be very accurate. Hang in there!

  • NicoleRod
    NicoleRod Member Posts: 2,906
    edited April 2019

    Oh please tell me that lab here in cali i want to call because it took me numerous phone calls to my doctors nurse just to get her to "look into why" they were not in yet only to have her say they were doing it now..and that there had been "an insurance hold up"...if you have the name I would appreciate it.


  • NicoleRod
    NicoleRod Member Posts: 2,906
    edited April 2019

    Got the number and called. Wow still not done.

  • letsgogolf
    letsgogolf Member Posts: 263
    edited April 2019

    Wow is right. Did they explain? Sad that business is so good for them.

  • NicoleRod
    NicoleRod Member Posts: 2,906
    edited April 2019

    They tried to say that tricare my insurance didn't approve the prior auth..but I called tricare and it was approved and faxed to them 2 days ago. Basically they just took their time on this test and it's now..in the final stages..so in other words it is probably not going to be ready until the end of this week. I am just really upset b/c this MO is booked solid it was hard for me to even get in with her because she works afternoons only. We planned on flying home next week..now who knows...I am suppose to see her at 2pm tomorrow if the results are not there then there really is no point to that appt.

  • Meow13
    Meow13 Member Posts: 4,859
    edited April 2019

    Nicole, your tumor is really small they might not feel comfortable making an assessment. Being grade 3 chemo works on fast growing cells but the surgery probably got everything. I hope you get good results, let us know.

  • NicoleRod
    NicoleRod Member Posts: 2,906
    edited April 2019

    I will let all know for sure. I appreciate the replies from everyone seriously it helps the "wait time" here and helps me decide.

  • NicoleRod
    NicoleRod Member Posts: 2,906
    edited April 2019

    im sobbing it was 49....and nowbi need an ultrasound for thrblynph node I felt and I need a bone scan of my hips and chest xray and of abdomen. My hips were hurting forbthe last few months I didn't think anything of it till I started reading posts here...and I mentioned it today...and she's concerned.

  • KBeee
    KBeee Member Posts: 5,109
    edited April 2019

    It rots to get a high score, but... it means you will get the appropriate care to give you the best chance at a good long term prognosis. I've been through chemo (twice) and tolerated it quite well. If chemo is the route you decide, I highly, highly encourage you to get onto the chemo board for the month you're beginning and join that group. My chemo gals from 2013 and 2015 are truly like my sisters. I've gotten together with many of them, and we're still very close all these years later. It was truly one of the only "good" things to come from cancer. We lifted each other up, gave each other the strength to poswer through, and still keep each other sane when fears crop up. (((HUGS))) You CAN do this.


  • NicoleRod
    NicoleRod Member Posts: 2,906
    edited April 2019

    kbeee thanks for your post. I can't stop crying for fear of the bone issue since my cancer is a recurrence and I've had this pain in hops for more like 6 months....my fear with chemo is that because my bodies enzymes do not break down meds good I don't know how bad that can wind up being with chemo...

  • Salamandra
    Salamandra Member Posts: 1,444
    edited April 2019

    Hi NicoleRod,

    We're rooting for you! Whatever it is, you will find your equilibrium and do what you need to do.

    It's okay to cry. It is scary and real. Crying can be a healthy way for our minds and bodies to process rough news. It's probably better than numbness or denial.

    For what it's worth, lots of bizarre things can cause body pain. I had a physical therapist tell me I was having pain because my hip muscles were unevenly developed and not strong enough. I was like, wth, hip muscles?!? He gave me some exercises and they helped. There's plenty of things it could be that are not metastasis.

    Do what you need to do to get yourself through this excruciating waiting period.

  • NicoleRod
    NicoleRod Member Posts: 2,906
    edited April 2019

    Salamandra,

    Thank you for your post. It was very needed and appreciated. All my scans are tomorrow CT of chest, Abdomen and Bone scan of hips. I should have all results by Friday. I welcome all the prayers you all have. I am no not crying but just numb and still in shock at the 49. :(

    I should mention my new results on the ONCO showed I am PR- now. Still ER+ and HER2-.

    Salamandra, you are from Brooklyn? I am originally from Long Island :) My mom is from Brooklyn. :)

  • Meow13
    Meow13 Member Posts: 4,859
    edited April 2019

    Nicole, was that score on the dcis or idc portion? The DCIS scale is different than the invasive scale.

  • NicoleRod
    NicoleRod Member Posts: 2,906
    edited April 2019

    I believe the IDC the tumor was in the breast tissue this time.. I had DCIS the first time.

  • Meow13
    Meow13 Member Posts: 4,859
    edited April 2019

    I didn't read your dx line carefully the idc is the recent dx. Yes 49 is high, it sounds scary but all it really means is you are at higher risk and if you choose to add chemo it should be effective at reducing your risk greatly.

    It doesn't mean you will get a recurrence. Good luck to you, also 4mm is really small.

  • NicoleRod
    NicoleRod Member Posts: 2,906
    edited April 2019

    But my pathology from surgery gives 2 sizes...in millimeters "multifocal 21 and 4 mm"

  • Meow13
    Meow13 Member Posts: 4,859
    edited April 2019

    There were 2 areas? My pathology from my biopsy mentions multifocal but my mastectomy pathology confirmed the tumors were completely separate occurrences each 1cm. So you have one 2.1cm tumor with a 4mm satellite?

    When I talked to my oncologist he was not worried at all that there were 2 tumors. Still very treatable.

  • NicoleRod
    NicoleRod Member Posts: 2,906
    edited April 2019

    Meow...you know I had a double mastectomy right? I think what is going on is I had an DCIS of 21mm or 2.1cm and a ICD of 4mm or 0.4 cm...

  • KBeee
    KBeee Member Posts: 5,109
    edited April 2019

    If you are at a major medical center, maybe you could work with them on coming up with a more personalized plan for chemo (if you decide on it). Perhaps they can use the less toxic CMF as opposed to AC+T or TC. Or perhaps they could adjust the dosage. Those are all things to discuss. They also may be able to look at which specific enzymes you lack (if you get pharmacogenetics testing) and see which drugs use those pathways.....and avoid them. Just ideas. I know there are a lot of decisions to make. Make the best decision for YOU that you can, and do not hesitate to get a few opinions.

  • Meow13
    Meow13 Member Posts: 4,859
    edited April 2019

    Nicole, good thing you had the mastectomy they probably would not have seen the 4 mm invasive part. I wish my tumors were smaller the previous mammogram didn't show anything. I did have an area of concern but after mastectomy it turned out to be normal tissue.

    If your oncodx score is from the DCIS, the score of 49 is intermediate risk but if from the IDC portion a score of 49 is high risk.

  • wanderweg
    wanderweg Member Posts: 549
    edited April 2019

    Nicole - I'm so sorry about the high oncotype score and the need for scans. It's overwhelming, I know. My score was 38 and I was scared out of my mind about doing chemo. I mean, I really, REALLY didn't want to do it. But the size of the tumor is less important than the cell biology and with an aggressive cancer, it just didn't make sense to me not to do it. And it was much more manageable than I anticipated. I'll second KBeee's suggestion to join the chemo board for your month - it made a huge difference to have that support of women going through it at the same time. We're all still in touch.

  • NicoleRod
    NicoleRod Member Posts: 2,906
    edited April 2019

    so my test came back fine for the hips but they found 2 spots in liver suggestive of metastasis. They had 3 prior scans from me from last year and 3 years ago bc I had an anginoma>spelling group of blood vessels spot in my liver but with that when they found it on CT they ordered and MRI to confirm. With this they are pretty certain from the way it looks it's cancer bc they are ordering a CT needle biopsy. I'm freaking out. And afraid.

  • Margot62
    Margot62 Member Posts: 31
    edited April 2019

    Hi Nicole,

    I'm so sorry to hear this. I'm sure you're having all kinds of feelings right now. But like someone said to you earlier today, wait for the results of the biopsy, and keep the faith in the meantime...

    Sending hugs and strength....

    Margot

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