Is anyone else an atheist with BC besides me?

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  • jo6359
    jo6359 Member Posts: 2,279
    edited March 2019

    spookiesmom-That's funny.

  • Spookiesmom
    Spookiesmom Member Posts: 9,568
    edited March 2019
  • jo6359
    jo6359 Member Posts: 2,279
    edited March 2019

    Spookiesmom-I found it amusing. Because I don't believe in heaven or hell. My belief is if you don't believe in heaven then how can one believe in hell? On my phone under the quote from the Lakota Nation there was a blank page. Did I miss something? I confess I've already been celebrating pre Saint Patrick's Day with friends who are helping me do prep work for a party tomorrow.

  • magiclight
    magiclight Member Posts: 8,690
    edited March 2019

    Ananda...the Pew study from 2015 has some interesting data, at least interesting to me. Evangelicals have increased and I'm thinking it is in relation to their opposition to gay rights and women's rights. Millennials are now well over 30% unaffiliated. I just discovered that one young (15yr old) that I know was told by parents that until you turn 18 you are Catholic, then you can decide.

  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 2,755
    edited March 2019

    Someone asked on Quora, how someone could not believe in god when billions of people do.  This was the answer.

    “Where is the graveyard of dead gods? What lingering mourner waters their mounds? There was a time when Jupiter was the king of the gods, and any man who doubted his puissance was ipso facto a barbarian and an ignoramus. But where in all the world is there a man who worships Jupiter today? And who of Huitzilopochtli? In one year - and it is no more than five hundred years ago - 50,000 youths and maidens were slain in sacrifice to him. Today, if he is remembered at all, it is only by some vagrant savage in the depths of the Mexican forest. Huitzilopochtli, like many other gods, had no human father; his mother was a virtuous widow; he was born of an apparently innocent flirtation that she carried out with the sun.

    When he frowned, his father, the sun, stood still. When he roared with rage, earthquakes engulfed whole cities. When he thirsted he was watered with 10,000 gallons of human blood. But today Huitzilopochtli is as magnificently forgotten as Allen G. Thurman. Once the peer of Allah, Buddha and Wotan, he is now the peer of Richmond P. Hobson, Alton B. Parker, Adelina Patti, General Weyler and Tom Sharkey.

    Speaking of Huitzilopochtli recalls his brother Tezcatlipoca. Tezcatlipoca was almost as powerful; he consumed 25,000 virgins a year.

    Lead me to his tomb: I would weep, and hang a couronne des perles. But who knows where it is? Or where the grave of Quetzalcoatl is? Or Xiuhtecuhtli? Or Centeotl, that sweet one? Or Tlazolteotl, the goddess of love? Of Mictlan? Or Xipe? Or all the host of Tzitzimitl? Where are their bones? Where is the willow on which they hung their harps? In what forlorn and unheard-of Hell do they await their resurrection morn? Who enjoys their residuary estates? Or that of Dis, whom Caesar found to be the chief god of the Celts? Of that of Tarves, the bull? Or that of Moccos, the pig? Or that of Epona, the mare? Or that of Mullo, the celestial jackass? There was a time when the Irish revered all these gods, but today even the drunkest Irishman laughs at them.

    But they have company in oblivion: the Hell of dead gods is as crowded
    as the Presbyterian Hell for babies. Damona is there, and Esus, and
    Drunemeton, and Silvana, and Dervones, and Adsullata, and Deva, and
    Bellisima, and Uxellimus, and Borvo, and Grannos, and Mogons. All mighty gods in their day, worshipped by millions, full of demands and impositions, able to bind and loose - all gods of the first class. Men labored for generations to build vast temples to them - temples with stones as large as hay-wagons.

    The business of interpreting their whims occupied thousands of priests,
    bishops, archbishops. To doubt them was to die, usually at the stake.
    Armies took to the field to defend them against infidels; villages were burned, women and children butchered, cattle were driven off. Yet in the end they all withered and died, and today there is none so poor to do them reverence.

    What has become of Sutekh, once the high god of the whole Nile Valley? What has become of:
    Resheph
    Anath
    Ashtoreth
    El
    Nergal
    Nebo
    Ninib
    Melek
    Ahijah
    Isis
    Ptah
    Anubis
    Baal
    Astarte
    Hadad
    Addu
    Shalem
    Dagon?

    All there were gods of the highest eminence. Many of them are mentioned with fear and trembling in the Old Testament. They ranked, five or six thousand years ago, with Yahweh Himself; the worst of them stood far higher than Thor. Yet they have all gone down the chute, and with them the following:

    Bilé
    Ler
    Arianrhod
    Morrigu
    Govannon
    Gunfled
    Sokk-mimi
    Nemetona
    Dagda
    Robigus
    Pluto
    Ops
    Meditrina
    Vesta

    You may think I spoof. That I invent the names. I do not. Ask the rector to lend you any good treatise on comparative religion: You will find them all listed. They were gods of the highest standing and dignity-gods of civilized peoples-worshiped and believed in by millions. All were omnipotent, omniscient and immortal.

    And all are dead.”
    ― H.L. Mencken,

    A Mencken Chrestomathy

  • jo6359
    jo6359 Member Posts: 2,279
    edited March 2019

    Hello. I wanted to share my experience today with my new PCP. He is an orthodox Jew, extremely intelligent and a jokester. During his assessment he asked me what my religious beliefs are and I informed him none. He stopped what he was doing, looked at me and quietly said "dealing with cancer must be especially hard for you if you don't believe in a higher power". I smiled and informed him I did believe. I believe in science and medicine and surrounding myself with nature. He smiled at me and we moved on. Other than that particular issue, I found him to be extremely knowledgeable about breast cancer and treatments involved.

  • HikingLady
    HikingLady Member Posts: 650
    edited March 2019

    jo6359 Thanks for sharing that anecdote. Nicely put, your explanation of your beliefs.

  • magiclight
    magiclight Member Posts: 8,690
    edited March 2019

    Jo...in all my years of living I have never had a provider ask me about religious/higher power beliefs. I do like your answer, not confrontational, but very explanatory.

  • jo6359
    jo6359 Member Posts: 2,279
    edited March 2019

    This is the second time in 8 months. Prior to that I've never been asked about religion by a healthcare provider other then the standard question "do you have a religious preference "or what is your religion?" Every time I registered for new procedure I was asked about religious preferences. This included surgery , chemo and radiation . It was only during radiation registration when a person took offense at my answer. When she asked about my religious preference and I stated " none" she could not hold back her anger. She let me know in no uncertain terms she believed my cancer could be related to my lack of faith. I informed her she should be very careful in forcing her beliefs and passing judgement onto patients. I also told her they were plenty of people who have very strong religious beliefs and still end up with cancer. Cancer does not discriminate. I also informed her if she didn't complete my registration I was going to report her to a supervisor. I worked at a Catholic Hospital for 10 years and never had any issues with religion.

  • TB90
    TB90 Member Posts: 992
    edited March 2019

    I am shocked. I may be challenged, but I cannot imagine anyone in Canada being asked by a health care provider about their spiritual/religious beliefs. In fact, there are laws against that. Your response was perfect, but so unnecessary. If asked in Canada, it would only be about providing appropriate supports. I am so impressed about your ability to think so quickly on your feet. I would have been speechless

  • Spookiesmom
    Spookiesmom Member Posts: 9,568
    edited March 2019
  • HikingLady
    HikingLady Member Posts: 650
    edited March 2019

    jo6359 your reply was so spot-on, and as TB90 noticed, oh my, to think on your feet like that!!!

  • jo6359
    jo6359 Member Posts: 2,279
    edited March 2019

    Prior to surgery, chemo, rads or any major procedure, aren't you asked about your religious preference? 99.9 % of the time it is a simple answer and on to the next question.


  • TB90
    TB90 Member Posts: 992
    edited March 2019

    Nope, never asked.

  • jo6359
    jo6359 Member Posts: 2,279
    edited March 2019

    TB90-Wow! Canada is more advanced than the USA. The purpose is to have the appropriate religious support in place if needed.

  • santabarbarian
    santabarbarian Member Posts: 3,085
    edited March 2019

    It must be regional... in CA I am not asked.

  • Spookiesmom
    Spookiesmom Member Posts: 9,568
    edited March 2019

    I was just asked today at a new dr. Along with a bunch of other? like did I have a living will, poa, I said no to religion question she kept going. No problem.

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited March 2019

    I have been asked every time I check into the hospital. I agree - that is so they can provide emotional support if needed. I always enter 'none'. I was never asked before or during chemo or radiation. And I have never been asked at a doctor's office or lab/X-ray facility.

    SantaBarbarian - I was asked at the hospital in San Francisco when I broke my arm on vacation.

  • AliceBastable
    AliceBastable Member Posts: 3,461
    edited March 2019

    I think I might have been asked my religious preference once as part of the hospital admissions. Everything I've had done was in the same hospital/medical complex. It's a Catholic one, and the only creepy part is that they pipe someone reciting their lord's prayer into all the rooms early in the morning. As far as I could tell, everyone ignores it.

  • magiclight
    magiclight Member Posts: 8,690
    edited March 2019

    In my own experience it is on a form and if asked, then one of a whole list of questions. Height, weight, religious affiliation, etc.

  • jo6359
    jo6359 Member Posts: 2,279
    edited March 2019

    Magiclight- the individuals who requested my information prior to surgery, chemo and radiation never asked for my height or weight. Their only interest was in my insurance, HIPAA next of kin, emergency contact and religious preference. My doctors assistants asked for height and weighed me but never asked about religious preference. Yesterday was the only time a doctor ever directed a religious question to me. It's usually a simple question, simple answer and move on to the next question.

  • Wren44
    Wren44 Member Posts: 8,585
    edited March 2019

    All they ask me is whether I have an advanced directives form on file. I did one once and they can't find it but it was a long time ago and I would want to see if it needed changes. I still haven't done a new one. I probably should seeing that I'm getting up there in age. I always say I'm Buddhist although I haven't been active for 30 years. I asked my PCP what her position was on assisted suicide and was pleased that she would give me help in dying if I asked. She had prescribed for 3 people and thought one may have used the drugs. I was worried she might be Catholic and unwilling.

  • SoCalLisa
    SoCalLisa Member Posts: 13,961
    edited March 2019

    They always seem to ask, I say none, and then it's on to the next question. I have a new directive on file.

  • jo6359
    jo6359 Member Posts: 2,279
    edited March 2019

    I have to provide an advance directive for my new PCP and I guess my oncologist when I find one.

  • Springflowers
    Springflowers Member Posts: 85
    edited April 2019

    In Ontario I have never been asked and as a nurse I have never asked, however we have an assessment tool called RAI and it is American. In it it has an optional question about spiritual affiliation. The only time I ask is if a patient has no supports I will ask if they have a church or other social group to help support them.

  • Spookiesmom
    Spookiesmom Member Posts: 9,568
    edited April 2019

    At pre op registration last week, I was asked the usual questions. She was reading off computer screen. One question was would I like a religious person to visit. She didn’t care what I answered, was part of her job. I said no. Don’t know what I would have said if somebody had darkened my door, drunk from anasthesia😂

  • Wren44
    Wren44 Member Posts: 8,585
    edited April 2019

    I knew a guy who was a recovering Catholic (eg no longer in the faith). He was in the hospital at the verge of dying and regained consciousness to discover he was being given the last rites. It made him so mad that he sat up and screamed for the priest to get out. He then proceeded to recover completely.

  • AliceBastable
    AliceBastable Member Posts: 3,461
    edited April 2019

    My grandmother was hospitalized for something decades ago and woke up to find nun nurses praying over her. She sat up and yelled "Stop that damn gibberish!"

    Grandma was awesome.

  • Spookiesmom
    Spookiesmom Member Posts: 9,568
    edited April 2019

    goood for them.

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